Afghans need Canadians now, ambassador says

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PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL
IDN: 060800216
DATE: 2006.03.21
PAGE: A8
BYLINE: STEVE MERTL
SECTION: National News
SOURCE: CP
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Afghans need Canadians now, ambassador says

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STEVE MERTL Canadian Press VANCOUVER

Afghanistan's ambassador to Canada says he was shocked to hear protesters demanding Canadian troops pull out of his country and saying it was better off under the Taliban.

"My embassy just called me this morning and said that some of the demonstrators were saying that Afghanistan was better off under the Taliban," Omar Samad said yesterday.

"For God's sake, these people have no clue whatsoever about what they are talking about, so let's sit down and discuss this." The comparison came during weekend demonstrations marking the third anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. Canadian protesters took the opportunity to push for Canada to withdraw its 2,300 troops from Afghanistan and equated Canadian soldiers' role there with that of U.S. forces in Iraq.

Mr. Samad, speaking in Vancouver to a meeting hosted by the Fraser Institute, a public-policy think tank, said the comments reflect a profound lack of understanding of Afghanistan's recent history.

Two generations of Afghans have been devastated by coups, the invasion by the former Soviet Union, invasion and years of insurgency, culminating in five years of tyranny under the brutal, theocratic Taliban.

There is no comparison between the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the multilateral effort to stabilize and rebuild Afghanistan, said Mr. Samad, who fled into exile in the United States after the 1979 Soviet invasion.

"Obviously, these groups have their own views, and they're entitled to it," he said. "I have contacted some of these groups. They're sort of reluctant to discuss the issues." Mr. Samad said it is hypocritical of opponents to Canada's involvement in Afghanistan to protest now when they remained silent in the 1990s while the Taliban oppressed women and denied children a modern education.

"Where were you when the women of Afghanistan were imprisoned?" he asked. "Where were you when the children of Afghanistan were denied schooling? Where were these demonstrations for human rights and dignity and honour?" Mr. Samad said he is not afraid of a healthy debate about Canada's role in Afghanistan.

"My job is to tell anyone who is opposed or supportive that there are very strong reasons for Canada to be part of this large international contingent, this multilateral effort in Afghanistan." Recent polls have shown a wild swing in public opinion on whether Canada should be in Afghanistan, at first opposed and then in favour.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper spent two days in the country visiting troops in the Taliban hotbed of Kandahar and reaffirmed Canada's commitment to the country.

But opposition parties have suggested that the continuing role merits a debate in Parliament, if not a vote.

Liberal defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh backed the debate idea in February, but foreign affairs critic Stephane Dion said Sunday the party opposes a vote because the mission falls under the government's executive authority, which Parliament should not second-guess.

Mr. Samad shared the podium yesterday with David Sproule, the Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan.

"Our presence there is to provide security but also to take away the means for the continuation of the conflict," Mr. Sproule said.

International forces under NATO command are involved in the collection and eventual destruction of weapons and the dismantling of warlord armies. Canada is helping with security, as well as the rebuilding of national institutions and addressing the poverty that makes Afghanistan the fifth-poorest country in the world.

Mr. Sproule noted that 60 per cent of Afghanistan's economy depends on illegal narcotics and the country supplies 90 per cent of the world's heroin. Efforts to wean farmers from growing the poppy and replace it with fruit as a cash crop are making progress, he said.

"I think over time the security situation will become better as economic development continues.

Afghans do not want foreign troops to stay indefinitely, said Mr. Samad, the Afghan ambassador. But they worry an early pullout would allow the country to slide back toward the abyss, as happened when the international community left them to fend for themselves after the Soviet withdrawal.

"They know what happens when that void is created again."

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I think not

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Mogz said:
Mr. Samad, speaking in Vancouver to a meeting hosted by the Fraser Institute, a public-policy think tank, said the comments reflect a profound lack of understanding of Afghanistan's recent history.

Mr. Samad is going to lose all credibility from the fringe left, by speaking at a meeting hosted by the Frasier Institute, it is in fact, among other things, a cesspool of neo-cons that seek to dominate the world. :roll:
 

FiveParadox

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I would suggest — yet again — that the Government of Canada facilitate a discussion and debate on the topic of the mission in Afghanistan as soon as the Parliament of Canada convenes (perhaps it would even be prudent to postpone the consideration of the Speech from the Throne — there is precedent for such a course of action) in April. If the Government permits this issue to go undiscussed, then the New Democratic Party of Canada may use one of their opposition days to force a motion in relation to the mission to come before the House of Commons.

And once the bells for a recorded division sound, anything can happen.
 

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FiveParadox said:
I would suggest — yet again — that the Government of Canada facilitate a discussion and debate on the topic of the mission in Afghanistan as soon as the Parliament of Canada convenes (perhaps it would even be prudent to postpone the consideration of the Speech from the Throne — there is precedent for such a course of action) in April. If the Government permits this issue to go undiscussed, then the New Democratic Party of Canada may use one of their opposition days to force a motion in relation to the mission to come before the House of Commons.

And once the bells for a recorded division sound, anything can happen.

Doesn't it strike you as odd FiveParadox, that all this debate in Parliament comes up AFTER the Liberals lost the election? The same Liberals, who sent your forces to Afghanistan I might add.
 

FiveParadox

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I think not, I should note now that Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is opposed to having a vote on this matter — they only want a discussion. It is the New Democratic Party of Canada that is more likely to move for their withdrawal — and with an issue so divided in Canada, I put no faith in party lines.
 

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FiveParadox said:
I think not, I should note now that Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is opposed to having a vote on this matter — they only want a discussion. It is the New Democratic Party of Canada that is more likely to move for their withdrawal — and with an issue so divided in Canada, I put no faith in party lines.

Gotcha, my mistake, I was under the impression they wanted a vote to either stay or leave Afghanistan.

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I am fringy huh.

Oh well, i guess I should play the part. :twisted:

You have.
 

mabudon

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RE: Afghans need Canadian

I kinda found it odd that the Fraser Institute wasn't refferred to as a right-wing thinktank, but rather as "a public-policy think tank"

odd, even the supposedly left-wing Globe and Mail is in on this crap
 

aeon

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Mogz said:
PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL
IDN: 060800216
DATE: 2006.03.21
PAGE: A8
BYLINE: STEVE MERTL
SECTION: National News
SOURCE: CP
EDITION: National
DATELINE: Vancouver BC
WORDS: 693

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Afghans need Canadians now, ambassador says

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STEVE MERTL Canadian Press VANCOUVER

Afghanistan's ambassador to Canada says he was shocked to hear protesters demanding Canadian troops pull out of his country and saying it was better off under the Taliban.

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Who the hell is he to tell us what we should think?? he was put there, by amid karzai, enough to say that his credibility worth absolutly nothing.
 

Mogz

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Uh, he isn't telling us what to think. In fact that quote you posted...yeah no where in there does he offer judgement on us. Re-read the article. Slobber on aeon.
 

Jersay

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Aeon you got to settle down their buddy with your hatred of Afghani people.

Also I have been told that other left wing fringy people say life was better under the Taliban.

Aeon you are one of my fringy comrades, explain to me why it was better.

From what i heard

-Children didn't get education

-Women couldn't do anything unless accompanied by a man.

- Thousands of people were killed in stadiums

and finally they had the stricest form of Islam

How was thAT BETTER than what they have now
 

I think not

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1) Show me a document that proves the war was illegal.

2) The US didn't go into Afghanistan to help the people, the US went in because it was attacked.