OK, I'll grant that while I agree with much of what ITN says in this thread, his wording is a little strong, and Mikey's too. Might we tone it down a little on both sides please.
Afghanistan: a war that can't be won
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Machjo
Did you read any of the lengthy post I contributed earlier regarding the American petroleum industries position as stated in that congressional meeting I excerpted for you?
The war in Afghanistan is a war for America and American control over Usbek and Afghani territories in pursuit of that life-blood of the American engine of greed....
Uncol Petroleum was Hamid Karzi's employer before being gifted as the puppet American government currently solidifying its coup of Afghanistan.
Look around... where isn't there some direct relationship to "America's Interests" from Israel to Afghanistan to East Timor and on and on and on...
Did you read any of the lengthy post I contributed earlier regarding the American petroleum industries position as stated in that congressional meeting I excerpted for you?
The war in Afghanistan is a war for America and American control over Usbek and Afghani territories in pursuit of that life-blood of the American engine of greed....
Uncol Petroleum was Hamid Karzi's employer before being gifted as the puppet American government currently solidifying its coup of Afghanistan.
Look around... where isn't there some direct relationship to "America's Interests" from Israel to Afghanistan to East Timor and on and on and on...
Machjo said:
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Machjo said:
poppies? Utupia?
How about dealing with things as they are instead of just yanking the rug from under their feet and telling them to wait for the Mayor of Kabul to get his act together.
I don't care about the individual mandates. Someone asked about it so I answered but speaking of mandates its certainly interesting the way they're all adding up. The Security Council were out of the loop on Oil-for-Food. That's makes me seriously doubt that particular bureaucracy will be commenting on the grand scheme of things any time soon and I don't expect to see NATO thinking beyond their limited military scope since that's what they do.
We've got troops on the ground, power vacuums going on all over the place and no plan to properly deal with population at large.
what the hell. raises all around.
ITN
Only if your idea of health is the drug induced state of denial that America's been fighting through its "war on drugs" or the poverty that America's been fighting through its "war on poverty"....or any other number of "wars" that the moneyed of America are more than prepared to send young people to die in the name of anywhere in the world...
Thats an evolution of self-destruction.
Built in America and practiced everywhere.
Only if your idea of health is the drug induced state of denial that America's been fighting through its "war on drugs" or the poverty that America's been fighting through its "war on poverty"....or any other number of "wars" that the moneyed of America are more than prepared to send young people to die in the name of anywhere in the world...
Thats an evolution of self-destruction.
Built in America and practiced everywhere.
Re: RE: Afghanistan: a war that can't be won
I don't believe in double standards, and will hold my country to the same standards, or even higher, than I will any other. So if I'mn angry at the US for having gone into Afghanistan illegally, then I do expect Canada to answer a UN mandate with absolute commitment.
Now if what yu say is true, then it is up to you to present the evidence to the Candian government which could then present it to the UN or international court on your behalf, or if you don't trust the Canadian government, then take it directly to the international court yourself.
But I do beleive in innocent until proven guilty, as well as international law, so ifthere is an issue here, then it's up to you to inform the UN about is so that it can take the approapriate actions, if any against the US. And whatever resolution it passes, for or against teh US, Canada ought to abide by that resolution.
It's called due process.
MikeyDB said:
I don't believe in double standards, and will hold my country to the same standards, or even higher, than I will any other. So if I'mn angry at the US for having gone into Afghanistan illegally, then I do expect Canada to answer a UN mandate with absolute commitment.
Now if what yu say is true, then it is up to you to present the evidence to the Candian government which could then present it to the UN or international court on your behalf, or if you don't trust the Canadian government, then take it directly to the international court yourself.
But I do beleive in innocent until proven guilty, as well as international law, so ifthere is an issue here, then it's up to you to inform the UN about is so that it can take the approapriate actions, if any against the US. And whatever resolution it passes, for or against teh US, Canada ought to abide by that resolution.
It's called due process.
Machjo
Please permit the return of insult for insult when ITN can't face the truth. He likes to avoid addressing facts and would rather personalize his right-wing warmongering attitude. I'm not interested in trading insults but if you think I'm going to slink away and hide like Stephen Harper you're dead wrong.
Please permit the return of insult for insult when ITN can't face the truth. He likes to avoid addressing facts and would rather personalize his right-wing warmongering attitude. I'm not interested in trading insults but if you think I'm going to slink away and hide like Stephen Harper you're dead wrong.
Re: RE: Afghanistan: a war that can't be won
If we self-destruct that will be our own doing and we will have deserved it because of our own short-sightedness. And don't pretend you have any thoughts for the young American men being sent overseas, to you they are undoubtly stormtroopers imposing the will of the empire.
Sure we have poverty, drugs, uninsured, injustice etc. What does everybody else have? Point to me a utopia and I will gladly embrace it.
MikeyDB said:
If we self-destruct that will be our own doing and we will have deserved it because of our own short-sightedness. And don't pretend you have any thoughts for the young American men being sent overseas, to you they are undoubtly stormtroopers imposing the will of the empire.
Sure we have poverty, drugs, uninsured, injustice etc. What does everybody else have? Point to me a utopia and I will gladly embrace it.
ITN
You could have actualized something far closer to Utopia out of America had you not surrendered to unrelenting greed. The prospect of feeding and educating people and presenting all that's good about freedom of thought and belief never occurs to America. The first response to any inkling that there are other people in the world who have just as much right to live their lives as they want just as any American believes he or she is entitled to is superceded by the appetites of America. You spend half a trillion dollars on weapons for "defense" so of course you have to use them up to keep your fat-cat military industrial complex cooking!
Why do you insist on pretending that your basic philosophy isn't the law of the jungle and offer these hollow tributes to "evolution" and so on from time to time???
You could have actualized something far closer to Utopia out of America had you not surrendered to unrelenting greed. The prospect of feeding and educating people and presenting all that's good about freedom of thought and belief never occurs to America. The first response to any inkling that there are other people in the world who have just as much right to live their lives as they want just as any American believes he or she is entitled to is superceded by the appetites of America. You spend half a trillion dollars on weapons for "defense" so of course you have to use them up to keep your fat-cat military industrial complex cooking!
Why do you insist on pretending that your basic philosophy isn't the law of the jungle and offer these hollow tributes to "evolution" and so on from time to time???
BitWhys
I suppose if one chooses to ignore war after war fought in the name of this efficacy (both direct military intervention and covert) and the death toll associated with those conflicts, and the climate of "terrorism" that's been both evoked by and practiced by America foreign policies sure, everythings just swell!
I suppose if one chooses to ignore war after war fought in the name of this efficacy (both direct military intervention and covert) and the death toll associated with those conflicts, and the climate of "terrorism" that's been both evoked by and practiced by America foreign policies sure, everythings just swell!
Ike Eisenhower, a Republican President, coined the
phrase, Military-Industrial Complex, and along came later
the Hollywood movies, Seven Days in May, Fail Safe,
to portray the attitude of a shadow power of the military and the industry of Defense contractors heavily
influencing the government of the people.
I don't think there is one person who occassionally reads
the news who DOESN'T know about this, BitWhys.
phrase, Military-Industrial Complex, and along came later
the Hollywood movies, Seven Days in May, Fail Safe,
to portray the attitude of a shadow power of the military and the industry of Defense contractors heavily
influencing the government of the people.
I don't think there is one person who occassionally reads
the news who DOESN'T know about this, BitWhys.
MikeyDB
I'm not going to sit here arguing with you on a Sunday morning, your mind is made up and so is mine. People believe what they want to believe, it really is that simple.
You perch yourself on a limb of distorted morality viewing and condemning only one side of the truth, there is truth to what you say, I cannot deny this, the problem lies is that you will never see the reverse, only what you choose to see.
This isn't a moral world as much as you would like to believe in your fantasies. Interests take precedence, from every country, every ideology. But you only see one "evil", that makes you very narrow-minded and closed to options, you do in fact only deal in absolutes. You are just as dangerous as those you condemn, the only difference is you are on the opposite side of the argument.
In other words you are not part of the solution, just another part of the problem.
I'm not going to sit here arguing with you on a Sunday morning, your mind is made up and so is mine. People believe what they want to believe, it really is that simple.
You perch yourself on a limb of distorted morality viewing and condemning only one side of the truth, there is truth to what you say, I cannot deny this, the problem lies is that you will never see the reverse, only what you choose to see.
This isn't a moral world as much as you would like to believe in your fantasies. Interests take precedence, from every country, every ideology. But you only see one "evil", that makes you very narrow-minded and closed to options, you do in fact only deal in absolutes. You are just as dangerous as those you condemn, the only difference is you are on the opposite side of the argument.
In other words you are not part of the solution, just another part of the problem.
ITN
I reflect the times in which I live ITN and during these times the champion aggressor of the world has been the United States of America. As I've said before and in light of the hearings being held currently in the US focusing on the abuse of presidential power by George Bush, America has the potential to awake from its slumber and understand why a once great nation hailed as the land of promise is now the most hated nation on the planet.
I reflect the times in which I live ITN and during these times the champion aggressor of the world has been the United States of America. As I've said before and in light of the hearings being held currently in the US focusing on the abuse of presidential power by George Bush, America has the potential to awake from its slumber and understand why a once great nation hailed as the land of promise is now the most hated nation on the planet.
Re: RE: Afghanistan: a war that can't be won
Sorry MikeyDb I've heard this story before, what was "once" a great nation that showed promise is typical leftist blather. The US has changed very little in terms of ideals and prinicples since it's founding over 200 years ago.
Mindsets change with time and that is all. Slavery was considered perfectly normal 200 years ago until everybody grew up and realized it wasn't so.
No ideals and principles have changed in over 200 years. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
MikeyDB said:
Sorry MikeyDb I've heard this story before, what was "once" a great nation that showed promise is typical leftist blather. The US has changed very little in terms of ideals and prinicples since it's founding over 200 years ago.
Mindsets change with time and that is all. Slavery was considered perfectly normal 200 years ago until everybody grew up and realized it wasn't so.
No ideals and principles have changed in over 200 years. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
When you've got the average Joe convinced there's an enemy lurking around every corner and you can brainwash them to believe their taxes are better spent killing people you have the off-setting "overhead" of "byproduct" nicely handled.
The fact that Americans have been lied to over and over again and that many have become complacent with those lies helps folk like the Carlyle Group and Raytheon to say nothing of KBG and Chaney's buddies raking in millions while the taxpayer foots the bill.
Aside to Jimmoyer: Can you come up with something original or will you just hang onto ITN's shirttails and let it go at that....?
The fact that Americans have been lied to over and over again and that many have become complacent with those lies helps folk like the Carlyle Group and Raytheon to say nothing of KBG and Chaney's buddies raking in millions while the taxpayer foots the bill.
Aside to Jimmoyer: Can you come up with something original or will you just hang onto ITN's shirttails and let it go at that....?