Adopted Children Forced Into Gay Lifestyle
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LIberalman, you'd have more credibility if you could find sites that aren't also promoting a religious agenda. It's perfectly clear what those sites' attitudes are before they start their research. I've never seen any cogent objection to any aspect of homosexuality that wasn't, at bottom, religiously based. I'm not buying any of it, and I wouldn't trust any of those sites to get the truth of things. They've got another agenda on this topic.
You are comparing an adoption to a natural method of becoming a parent. To do a true comparison you would have to stick just with adoptions. Do hetro couples neglect adopted babies?
Adoption is the only way they can have children, doh.
A gay couple who want to be parents should get their first child from one of their family members. When adopting, do they ask for the 'same sex as they are' or are the applications for a child of the opposite sex?
Nobody frowns on a man and woman living together for life and not being married. Nobody much cares if they have children either. The neglect of children usually comes into play when 'step-parents' enter the picture, (not always but don't try to tell me every man who tags up with a woman who has children is overwhelmed with joy at the added faces that have come into his life). If you think that is bull go look at some stats of child abuse and compare the numbers to 'natural parents' vs 'one unnatural parent'.
It doesn't bother me if two people of the same sex want to live together in a sexual relationship. But when it comes to 'needing a certificate' to hang on the wall to feel like it's a 'normal relationship' or the more extreme case of needing the sounds of 'little feet' parading around to feel 'normal' well maybe it is just something you might have to deal with without getting your wish. Take up a joint hobby or go traveling, parenting isn't the end all of being in a long term relationship.
A really devoted parent is more or less somebody who has said to themselves "I really, really want to make myself a slave to somebody else for the next 20 years' If most of the duties are passed off onto nannies or baby-sitters why bother in the first place.
Here's another thing you can disagree with, the healthiest child (the one who will need the least amount of 'correction in their teens of adulthood') is the one who is raised by the most intelligent parent. That would mean, in some cases, it should be the father who is the 'stay at home mom'.
You claim to be a "liberalman", and yet you're blaming the conservatives for permitting same sex marriage and adoption? What planet do you live on?
MHZ are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? I was puting everyone as parents in the same boat.
Ive seen parents who got kids for the wrong reasons. I don't see how gays would make bad parents because they are gay. Some do respect thier childrens orientations. To think they would be influence by gay parents is extremely lame. As lame as a only boy in a house filled with sisters.
Ive seen parents who got kids for the wrong reasons. I don't see how gays would make bad parents because they are gay. Some do respect thier childrens orientations. To think they would be influence by gay parents is extremely lame. As lame as a only boy in a house filled with sisters.
I think this is insane. I see no proof that children of gay parents will become gay. Children of hetero parents can be gay...parentage doesn't matter.
I agree that children need both a male and female role model in their lives. I never had a positive male role model and I know that has made an impact on me, so on that I do agree. BUt there is no REAL medical or scientific evidence to support that children of gay parents will become gay themselves. And to suggest that gay parents will molest and abuse their children just because they're gay, is ignorant and slanderous.
I agree that those children will have to deal with more issue with peers and society than other children, but not to the extent that they will be damaged forever:roll: .
Children need love and acceptance and support. They need to feel secure and safe. They need to be respected and encouraged. These I feel are more important to the child's wellbeing than having a male and female parent. Is it better to leave these children in the system where they will be tossed from home to home with no one to trust and truly love them???
Liberalman...your statement is ignorant and really has nothing of merit to back it up.
I agree that children need both a male and female role model in their lives. I never had a positive male role model and I know that has made an impact on me, so on that I do agree. BUt there is no REAL medical or scientific evidence to support that children of gay parents will become gay themselves. And to suggest that gay parents will molest and abuse their children just because they're gay, is ignorant and slanderous.
I agree that those children will have to deal with more issue with peers and society than other children, but not to the extent that they will be damaged forever:roll: .
Children need love and acceptance and support. They need to feel secure and safe. They need to be respected and encouraged. These I feel are more important to the child's wellbeing than having a male and female parent. Is it better to leave these children in the system where they will be tossed from home to home with no one to trust and truly love them???
Liberalman...your statement is ignorant and really has nothing of merit to back it up.
I don't know. I would agree if you were dealing only with neglect in adoption cases? In either case you would think an adopted child would be less likely to suffer neglect than a child born to parents who just weren't ready to be parents.
Are there any cases when adoption, by either type of parents (gay and hetro), has been contemplated because of a 'void' in the prospective parents lives or because that is what marriage is about? (both being childless) That isn't the best reason to adopt a child.
All I am saying is that we have to consider the welfare of a child in adoption cases.
In a gay household sexuality will be flaunted on a regular bases at the innocent children.
Just look at the lesbian and the gay pride parades held in the city of Toronto on the weekend of June.
It is a parade of sexual nature they are walking around half naked thrusting their pelvis at each other, the lesbians walking around half naked with their kids in tow forcing them to watch sexual act and even passing around their kids in a love fest like an initiation so the children can feel the love.
This is not normal for a child and if heterosexual parents did this to their own children those parents will see their kids taken out of their home by children services.
Somebody posted that since two to three percent are gay it will not amount to much damage but if you do the math two percent on twenty million populations to 400K and if 50% want to adopt kids you are looking at 200,000 kids that would end up in gay households.
If United States brings in same-sex marriage then this number dramatically increases because they have a population 300 million people.
This is a lot of children at risk and potentially will be a threat to our society
Sanctus:
A bad argument is a bad argument - I have gone after the sophists on my side, so why should you feel odd about going after the sophists on yours?
I suspect your commitment to well-formed debate and truth is greater than your commitment to any ideology - as I hope is the case with me. So attack the foolish without fear or favour, tiger!
Liberalman - your arguments are:
1) Not liberal - more, shall we say, "westmanguy-ish"
2) Illogical on their own terms. I have found two internal contradictions so far.
3) Unsupported by the available facts, and the sources you present are untrustworthy.
4) Homophobic.
5) Dishonest at the root.
Please go away.
Pangloss
A bad argument is a bad argument - I have gone after the sophists on my side, so why should you feel odd about going after the sophists on yours?
I suspect your commitment to well-formed debate and truth is greater than your commitment to any ideology - as I hope is the case with me. So attack the foolish without fear or favour, tiger!
Liberalman - your arguments are:
1) Not liberal - more, shall we say, "westmanguy-ish"
2) Illogical on their own terms. I have found two internal contradictions so far.
3) Unsupported by the available facts, and the sources you present are untrustworthy.
4) Homophobic.
5) Dishonest at the root.
Please go away.
Pangloss
The only article of the above posted that even has any hint of credibility is the one from the Catholic source. I write that only because of two reasons. The first is obvious, and the second, it is the only article that attempts to rely on any sort of scientific data.
That being said, I am fortunate to also have a degree in Psychology. And I can assure you that there has not been that many psychological studies confirming your opinion.
There have been a few non-religious based studies conducted that would agree with you. I would be dishonest if I said otherwise. However, by far the vast majority of studies conducted in this area have drawn no conclusive evidence suggesting that children exposed to homosexuals will, in fact, become homosexuals themselves.
I am of the opinion you are seeking attention, not discussion, hence the rather, well, let's be honest, silly and inflammatory posts you seem to enjoy sharing with us. Pangloss, with a background in the media, is probably much more familiar with your sort than us in other fields of interest.
Have you considered applying for work at the Toronto Star? Perhaps you might be fortunate enough to photograph the Loch Ness monster as it swims lazily past Elvis Presley sunning on the shore with his favourite alien at his side?
Where do you get your information from? Most likely just making it up.:roll:
The "gays" are not passing around their children in a big pedophile love fest...your paranoia is disturbing. "The gay's...the gay's...they're taking over". Are you serious with that? Homosexuals have been around probably since heterosexuals have been around. Anyway,I take issue with you claiming that all gays and lesbians are using these children to increase their numbers and that they are hurting these children. A gay or lesbian person would not harm a child anymore than a straight person.
Liberal guy,
Do you even know someone in your life who is gay? (if you don't you probably do without knowing it)
Have you ever spoken to anyone who is gay?
Homosexuals come in all types, you can't just stupidly put them in a category like you do. You refered to the gay pride parades and all the exhibition going on... Did you ever stop a second to think that their are many homosexuals who DISAGREE with these demonstrations? Do you really think that all homosexuals are sexual exhibitionists? Why do you think homosexual parents would openly demonstrate their sexuality in front of their kids? They would probably demonstrate love (hugging and yes, perhaps kissing) but love and sex are 2 different things.
You are seriously prejudiced towards homosexuals. Seriously, wake up and walk into the real world. I often go out in gay bars because my brother is gay and one of our common friends is lesbian. There's nothing scary about that. You know why I don't mind going into a gay bar? Because I'm comfortable with my sexuality. Are you? Homosexuality for me is as much a non-issue as someone's favourite color.
Do you even know someone in your life who is gay? (if you don't you probably do without knowing it)
Have you ever spoken to anyone who is gay?
Homosexuals come in all types, you can't just stupidly put them in a category like you do. You refered to the gay pride parades and all the exhibition going on... Did you ever stop a second to think that their are many homosexuals who DISAGREE with these demonstrations? Do you really think that all homosexuals are sexual exhibitionists? Why do you think homosexual parents would openly demonstrate their sexuality in front of their kids? They would probably demonstrate love (hugging and yes, perhaps kissing) but love and sex are 2 different things.
You are seriously prejudiced towards homosexuals. Seriously, wake up and walk into the real world. I often go out in gay bars because my brother is gay and one of our common friends is lesbian. There's nothing scary about that. You know why I don't mind going into a gay bar? Because I'm comfortable with my sexuality. Are you? Homosexuality for me is as much a non-issue as someone's favourite color.
And the veil is lifted.....interesting, on another forum he is not only sharing information from these conversations, he is also stating that it is I who "outed" him, as it were.
I will say this, if not him, I suspect this could be his twin. How's that for a horrific thought on a lovely Sunday evening?