Said1 said:
I realize that. But do not people synonymize their birthday-derived age with their actual length of existence?
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I realize that. But do not people synonymize their birthday-derived age with their actual length of existence?
I had hoped this would be obvious enough, I mean when you say your 32 years old you are deriving that number from your birthday, but in actuality you are older than your birthday-derived age. That was my point and i'm sorry it escaped you and resulted in you making a wasteful post.
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It didn't escape me, I was saying I didn't think that most people did this when thinking about their age. I don't.
OakServe said:
It didn't escape me, I was saying I didn't think that most people did this when thinking about their age. I don't.
It's not deliberate. People synonymize their birthdays with how long they've been alive, but they do it passively without intent or plan. When people think of their birthday-derived age, they don't consider the fact that their life began before birth and so their age is actually longer then their birthday-derived age. My point was that people don't consider this, like you, and that's why redefining the start of life would render everyone's birthday-derived ages inaccurate.
What are these 'hate links'? I love what the Hezboula have done in Lebanon. I wish to donate to them. Yet, if I do I would be breaking the law in Canada, because a jellyfish Prime Minister gave into American pressure and put Hezboula on a Terrorist list. But I can donate to the Israeli government that, in territory it Occupies, silences effective opposition with hit squads. Is there anywhere that allows frank and open discussion?
Hasn't the Gov't given a timeline on this. If a fetus is past the seven month range and dies, it requires a name and a proper burial. Is this a person? yes. He has a name. A fetus at one month, doesn't have a name but since he has a heart and soul, is he a person? Yes.
All death isn't murder.
And as I used to say, is it still abortion if he's 12?
All death isn't murder.
And as I used to say, is it still abortion if he's 12?
With all due respect Greta, just because a life doesn't have a name doesn't mean it isn't a life. It is life. We're hiding behind our thumbs saying it isn't life. I still believe abortion should be legal.
I am uncertain of this,but I believe some Asian cultures do calculate age from the 9 months spent in the womb.
Daz said ...
I agree.
Daz, although we have had several disagreements, I must say you appear to be one of the more logical of regular posters on this board.
As far as abortion: I don't see much a difference between it, and taking antibiotics to kill bacteria in your body. If both are unwanted by the individual at hand, bacteria or an embryo, they are both the same.
The only difference is: By taking antibiotics in a non life-threatening situation, (broad spectrum in particular), you may be contributing to an entire bacterial strain becoming resisant, which can now share resistance genes with other bacterial strains, thus, creating incurable bacteral infections that may kill millions of people worldwide.
I agree.
Daz, although we have had several disagreements, I must say you appear to be one of the more logical of regular posters on this board.
As far as abortion: I don't see much a difference between it, and taking antibiotics to kill bacteria in your body. If both are unwanted by the individual at hand, bacteria or an embryo, they are both the same.
The only difference is: By taking antibiotics in a non life-threatening situation, (broad spectrum in particular), you may be contributing to an entire bacterial strain becoming resisant, which can now share resistance genes with other bacterial strains, thus, creating incurable bacteral infections that may kill millions of people worldwide.
since it's a moral matter and we're not sure when life starts (well some claim to be sure but at the very least it's controverisal) then I think perhaps it should be left to the one most directly affected by it. On the one hand if it really is/should be considered a human I find it hard to condone its murder, but on the other if it isn't/shouldn't be considered one I find it hard to condone making someone suffer for 9 months (oh, and the rest of their life) because of someone else's view which in turn is by no means clearly true. So until we can come up with some fairly sound arguments for or against it, (though perhaps we never will) I think that we should leave it to the mother to decide.
in a somewhat different vein - I find non-vegetarian pro-lifers to be inconsistent. I mean, if you think that at, say 3 months, the mere fact of having a heartbeat (and maybe brain activity - conceivably) means that you are entitled to be respected and should live why do you not afford the same protection to far more conscious animals? Is it the fact that the foetus has potential? But is that not simply a "speciesest" calims - ie basing something's worth on the mere fact of belonging to a certain group (without necessarily possessing the relevant characteristics that make you like that group in the first place). When we do that with race it's called racism.
anyway
in a somewhat different vein - I find non-vegetarian pro-lifers to be inconsistent. I mean, if you think that at, say 3 months, the mere fact of having a heartbeat (and maybe brain activity - conceivably) means that you are entitled to be respected and should live why do you not afford the same protection to far more conscious animals? Is it the fact that the foetus has potential? But is that not simply a "speciesest" calims - ie basing something's worth on the mere fact of belonging to a certain group (without necessarily possessing the relevant characteristics that make you like that group in the first place). When we do that with race it's called racism.
anyway
Well Since Sandra Day O'Connor is resigning (as is a second judge) from the US supreme court, Abortion will probley be illegal in America within a year or so, as "W" will appoint a couple of good old neo con boys to the bench.
O'Connor Resigns
O'Connor Resigns
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Yes...becuase having state run orphanages filled with unadopted kids would be like some 1920's Father F*cking Flannigan movie...and who wouldn't want that... :roll:
albertzz said:
Yes...becuase having state run orphanages filled with unadopted kids would be like some 1920's Father F*cking Flannigan movie...and who wouldn't want that... :roll: