But apostasy is punishable by death. If you worship the one true god then why does it matter what you call yourself? Why does it matter if you read the Qur'an if it is god you worship and not Muhammad?
A new definition of magic?
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But apostasy is punishable by death. If you worship the one true god then why does it matter what you call yourself? Why does it matter if you read the Qur'an if it is god you worship and not Muhammad?
leave the islam
the god order to the humans to worship in what the god order
not what human order it to worship
muhammad not worship the angel to give him the message he worship the god and we do not worship muhammad for give we the message we worship the god
Kinds of magic.
Kinds of magic
Magic is of 3 kinds:
1- The trickery: there are some tricks that many men know, and are simple and made for fun or for gaining some money, and to enjoy children and people.
2- The confounding of the sight: I think this is by means of genies or demons. This is like the magicians or wizards at the time of Moses – salam be to him, and he overcame their sight confounding with his true staff that appeared before all to be a real serpent that started to bite and cut up their ropes and sticks.
As God – be glorified – said in the Quran 7: 116
1- The trickery: there are some tricks that many men know, and are simple and made for fun or for gaining some money, and to enjoy children and people.
2- The confounding of the sight: I think this is by means of genies or demons. This is like the magicians or wizards at the time of Moses – salam be to him, and he overcame their sight confounding with his true staff that appeared before all to be a real serpent that started to bite and cut up their ropes and sticks.
As God – be glorified – said in the Quran 7: 116
قَالَ أَلْقُوْاْ فَلَمَّا أَلْقَوْاْ سَحَرُواْ أَعْيُنَ النَّاسِ وَاسْتَرْهَبُوهُمْ وَجَاءوا بِسِحْرٍ عَظِيمٍ
The explanation:
(Said [Moses]: "You cast [your ropes and rods.]" And when they [: the wizards] cast they put a spell upon the people's eyes, and frightened them, and brought about a mighty sorcery.
(Said [Moses]: "You cast [your ropes and rods.]" And when they [: the wizards] cast they put a spell upon the people's eyes, and frightened them, and brought about a mighty sorcery.
And We revealed to Moses: "Cast your staff." [So he cast it on the ground], and lo, it started to bite [, with its mouth, the ropes] that they falsely devised [ to be snakes before the eyes of the people.]
Thus the truth was vindicated, and all [the sorcery] that they did was made of no effect.
So, at that time and place, they [: the wizards] were defeated, and turned to be humbled.
And the wizards submitted themselves [to Moses.] )
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Once, I saw some of such wizards, by my own eyes doing some strange and extraordinary show; I recited many ayat of the Quran, but I could not discover their magic work: I saw before my eyes one putting the knife in his abdomen, another standing on the sharp blade of a sword; but the one who put the knife or sheesh in his abdomen, I saw the sheesh moved to another site of his abdomen.
Also I met one of their leaders, and said to him: "This is not good work; it is only by the mediation of genies [or demons]"; he smiled in secret, as if I guessed it.
I told Abu abd-Allah, and he almost agreed.
Once also I examined one of such wizards doing such magic; he dragged himself with a knife, and the knife went really into his abdomen; I laughed and said: "How could this happen?" they said: "He did not know its rules or did not drink their "Tariqa" or something like that!!!
See the ignorance of such people, how do things against God's monotheism and in spite they relate all that to the religion.
See the ignorance of such people, how do things against God's monotheism and in spite they relate all that to the religion.
Kinds of magic [part 2]
3- The unreal magic, which is made by the Devils and Satan: i.e. the devils do the work, but by the request of some of the people; therefore, it is a blasphemy and a sort of associating the devil with God.
This is like separating the wife from husband or making enmity between friends.
Abu abd-Allah said this story:
"There was a student in the secondary school [from Mosul city in Iraq]; he was busy with his study; then a woman one of his neighbors came to visit his family; the woman disliked her husband and wanted to separate from him, but the husband refused to divorce her.
She said to the student: "Write for me some magic, so that my husband will divorce me!"
The student said: "I don't know anything about such magic."
The woman insisted on him, and he said "as if someone suggested to me: "Write whatever you want, and let the rest of the matter be on my task!"
So he wrote for her a paper: anything that come to his mind: meaningless words, and gave her two small papers: to put one under his pillow and the other that she put in water then drink it!
Next week, the house was full of women [see the ignorance of Muslims like other sects!!] Every woman wanted that student to write for her some magic; because the magic succeeded and her husband divorced her! But the student was angry and drove the women out of the house, and he said to them: "I don't know anything about magic; I did not write for her any meaningful word; it was only to get rid of her insisting."
So this is the work of the devil, by the way of suggestions, and he has been given authority by the one who demanded the magic, and this one has indeed blasphemed and associated with his Lord and will lose in the next afterlife.
This is in the Quran 2: 102
3- The unreal magic, which is made by the Devils and Satan: i.e. the devils do the work, but by the request of some of the people; therefore, it is a blasphemy and a sort of associating the devil with God.
This is like separating the wife from husband or making enmity between friends.
Abu abd-Allah said this story:
"There was a student in the secondary school [from Mosul city in Iraq]; he was busy with his study; then a woman one of his neighbors came to visit his family; the woman disliked her husband and wanted to separate from him, but the husband refused to divorce her.
She said to the student: "Write for me some magic, so that my husband will divorce me!"
The student said: "I don't know anything about such magic."
The woman insisted on him, and he said "as if someone suggested to me: "Write whatever you want, and let the rest of the matter be on my task!"
So he wrote for her a paper: anything that come to his mind: meaningless words, and gave her two small papers: to put one under his pillow and the other that she put in water then drink it!
Next week, the house was full of women [see the ignorance of Muslims like other sects!!] Every woman wanted that student to write for her some magic; because the magic succeeded and her husband divorced her! But the student was angry and drove the women out of the house, and he said to them: "I don't know anything about magic; I did not write for her any meaningful word; it was only to get rid of her insisting."
So this is the work of the devil, by the way of suggestions, and he has been given authority by the one who demanded the magic, and this one has indeed blasphemed and associated with his Lord and will lose in the next afterlife.
This is in the Quran 2: 102
وَاتَّبَعُواْ مَا تَتْلُواْ الشَّيَاطِينُ عَلَى مُلْكِ سُلَيْمَانَ وَمَا كَفَرَ سُلَيْمَانُ وَلَكِنَّ الشَّيْاطِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُعَلِّمُونَ النَّاسَ السِّحْرَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ عَلَى الْمَلَكَيْنِ بِبَابِلَ هَارُوتَ وَمَارُوتَ وَمَا يُعَلِّمَانِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ حَتَّى يَقُولاَ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ فِتْنَةٌ فَلاَ تَكْفُرْ فَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مِنْهُمَا مَا يُفَرِّقُونَ بِهِ بَيْنَ الْمَرْءِ وَزَوْجِهِ وَمَا هُم بِضَآرِّينَ بِهِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ وَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلاَ يَنفَعُهُمْ وَلَقَدْ عَلِمُواْ لَمَنِ اشْتَرَاهُ مَا لَهُ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنْ خَلاَقٍ وَلَبِئْسَ مَا شَرَوْاْ بِهِ أَنفُسَهُمْ لَوْ كَانُواْ يَعْلَمُونَ
The explanation:
(And they [: Jews contemporary to Mohammed] followed what the devils [: the past Jews] had related regarding the kingdom of Solomon;
[They said Mohammed like Solomon prevailed because he was a magician or wizard used magic to establish his kingdom]
the blasphemers were not Solomon, but the devils [:the blasphemers among Jews], teaching men magic,
and such things as came down on the two kings at Babylon, Harut and Marut [in the prison of Nabuchodonosor; they were two princes of the Children of Israel, in very miserable condition, and they were obliged to do this magic, so that people will bring to them in recompense some food or clothes and other essentials in their prison],
yet these taught no one until they said, "We are only a temptation, so do not blaspheme."
And they learn from these [two kings] that by which they may part man and wife;
they harm thereby no-one save by God's permission; they learn that which harm them and profit them not, and [actually] they knew that whoever purchased it, [for him there will be punishment and] no [happy] portion will be for him in the Hereafter, and vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, had they but known [the final consequences.] )
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
(And they [: Jews contemporary to Mohammed] followed what the devils [: the past Jews] had related regarding the kingdom of Solomon;
[They said Mohammed like Solomon prevailed because he was a magician or wizard used magic to establish his kingdom]
the blasphemers were not Solomon, but the devils [:the blasphemers among Jews], teaching men magic,
and such things as came down on the two kings at Babylon, Harut and Marut [in the prison of Nabuchodonosor; they were two princes of the Children of Israel, in very miserable condition, and they were obliged to do this magic, so that people will bring to them in recompense some food or clothes and other essentials in their prison],
yet these taught no one until they said, "We are only a temptation, so do not blaspheme."
And they learn from these [two kings] that by which they may part man and wife;
they harm thereby no-one save by God's permission; they learn that which harm them and profit them not, and [actually] they knew that whoever purchased it, [for him there will be punishment and] no [happy] portion will be for him in the Hereafter, and vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, had they but known [the final consequences.] )
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
That's the problem though. If there is only one god then why does it matter if you're Christian or Muslim unless you are worshipping the man and not god?
If you were worshipping god then it wouldn't matter if you were a Muslim that became a Christian, now would it? Muhammad gets mad about it but why should you if it is really god you worship and not Muhammad? Why should you worship Muhammad and not god?
It is a Jinn that would want you to worship him instead of god. It is a Jinn that would get mad if you didn't worship him. God wouldn't care what you called yourself so long as it was Him you were praying to.
I'm not impressed by testimonies from silly superstitious people.
Your movie still doesn't answer my question: why does Muhammad want you to worship him and not god? How do you know Muhammad wasn't a jinn?
Your movie still doesn't answer my question: why does Muhammad want you to worship him and not god? How do you know Muhammad wasn't a jinn?
no the Christian worshipping three not one
no the Christian worshipping three not one
I worshipping the god create the earth and heaven and every thing
jinn can't do that
I am an enchanter and I am also a level 80 Warrior. Would anyone like me to enchant their swords? I have the +10 intelligence enchant.
no the enchanter is very weak because he worshipping the weak the
jinn for help him..:lol:
one Warrior from good muslim can kill more from 80 the enchanter
I agree, Muhammad is weak which is why Muslim prayers go unanswered.
I agree, the angel Gabriel was obviously a jinn in disguise.
Yeah sure which is why the middle east does so well against imperialists :roll:
that no right
prophet muhammad human even the kid know that..:roll:
I see the islam he is the fast religion the 1
the quran saying to muslims to killing enchanter if Gabriel was jinn then he order we to be well to jinn then he write in quran to worshipping jinn but he do not say that
then Gabriel the angel from god
hmmm
for that
YouTube - Great Hadith - The path of history (Tareq Al-Suwaidan)
Yes.
So Muhammad was the jinn which is why he said to kill anyone who didn't worship him.
So even though Muslims and Christians worship the same god, Muhammad said to kill the apostate because they didn't worship him (Muhammad).
So you think it is bad jinn that don't like Islam but really it is the good jinn who oppose it!!
lol it is quite a mess you're in!
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prophet muhammad not said worship him and he do not said to kill anyone who didn't worship him
just you are liar
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Sahih International: There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
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Sahih International: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors
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Sahih International: Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
you are slow ?!
how from times I say to you Christians worship 3 god not 1god
leave the islam
Orly? It is you that is the liar!
Qur'an:
Sura 4:88-89 Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance) 89 They wish that you reject (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So, take not Auliya (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill [q-t-l] them wherever you find them . . . .
Sura 9:73-74 O Prophet, strive [j-h-d] hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be adamant and stern with them . . . they did utter the words of unbelief. Thus, they were guilty of unbelief after they professed Islam . . . If even now they repent of their misbehavior, it will be good for their own selves, but if they do not repent, Allah will chastise them with a painful chastisement in this world and the Hereafter . . . . [whereupon Muhammad went on a killing spree]
Hadith:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." Bukhari
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" source
When Allah's Messenger died and Abu Bakr was elected as a Caliph after him, some of the Arabs reverted to disbelief. 'Umar said to Abu Bakr, "How dare you fight the people while Allah's Messenger said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." And whoever says: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah" saves his wealth and his life from me unless he deserves a legal punishment justly, and his account will be with Allah!"’" Abu Bakr said, "By Allah, I will fight him who discriminates between Zakat and Salat (prayers), for Zakat is the compulsory right to be taken from the wealth. By Allah, if they refuse to give me even a tying rope which they use to give to Allah's Messenger, I would fight them for withholding it." 'Umar said, "By Allah, it was nothing, except I saw that Allah had opened the chest of Abu Bakr to the fight, and I came to know for certain that that (i.e. the decision to fight) was the truth." Bukhari
No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection." source
Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "If someone changes his deen - strike his neck!"
The meaning of the statement of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, in our opinion and Allah knows best, is that "if someone changes his deen, strike his neck!" refers to those who leave Islam for other than it - like the heretics and their like, about whom it is known. They are killed without being called to tawba because their tawba is not recognised. They were hiding their kufr and publishing their Islam, so I do not think that one calls such people to tawba, and one does not accept their word. As for the one who goes out of Islam to something else and divulges it, one calls him to tawba. If he does not turn in tawba, he is killed. If there are people in that situation, I think that one should call them to Islam and call them to tawba. If they turn in tawba, that is accepted from them. If they do not turn in tawba, they are killed. That does not refer as we see it, and Allah knows best, to those who come out of Judaism to Christianity or from Christianity to Judaism, nor to someone who changes his deen from the various forms of deen except for Islam. Whoever comes out of Islam to other than it and divulges that, that is the one who is referred to, and Allah knows best! Sharia
So don't call me a liar ahmadabdalrhman!!! This is the second time I have demonstrated the bloody murderous nature of Muhammad and his gang of cultists so your denials are lies not a mistake.The meaning of the statement of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, in our opinion and Allah knows best, is that "if someone changes his deen, strike his neck!" refers to those who leave Islam for other than it - like the heretics and their like, about whom it is known. They are killed without being called to tawba because their tawba is not recognised. They were hiding their kufr and publishing their Islam, so I do not think that one calls such people to tawba, and one does not accept their word. As for the one who goes out of Islam to something else and divulges it, one calls him to tawba. If he does not turn in tawba, he is killed. If there are people in that situation, I think that one should call them to Islam and call them to tawba. If they turn in tawba, that is accepted from them. If they do not turn in tawba, they are killed. That does not refer as we see it, and Allah knows best, to those who come out of Judaism to Christianity or from Christianity to Judaism, nor to someone who changes his deen from the various forms of deen except for Islam. Whoever comes out of Islam to other than it and divulges that, that is the one who is referred to, and Allah knows best! Sharia
Muhammad was an evil jinn - deal with it.
If you follow him then you follow a jinn.