800 years of democracy is unravelling before our very eyes

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Yeah, you're being real decisive.

Well the British people have been decisive. Our Euroscepticism got us the referendum, and we voted Leave despite what the global Establishment told us.

It's just a shame most of our politicians are pussies who think foreigners can do a better job of running Britain than themselves can.
 

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Well the British people have been decisive. Our Euroscepticism got us the referendum, and we voted Leave despite what the global Establishment told us.
It's just a shame most of our politicians are pussies who think foreigners can do a better job of running Britain than themselves can.
You elected 'em.
 

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You elected 'em.

Yep - the vast majority of MPs were elected on mandates to take us out of the EU on 29th March 2019.

It's not the British people's fault, though, that Brexit has shown we have the most undemocratic Parliament since the Chartists.
 

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Yep - the vast majority of MPs were elected on mandates to take us out of the EU on 29th March 2019.
It's not the British people's fault, though, that Brexit has shown we have the most undemocratic Parliament since the Chartists.
So, you really do have a representative democracy! Cool!

Liars and cowards should be represented by liars and cowards.
 

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No wonder the Holy Wars took a few centuries and in the end no land, no treasures, no fuk all except the surfs were short a lot of hard earned money.

You are under the impression nobody is watching.
 

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They're representative of Monty Python and the Goons.

They represent themselves. That's the only reason they are in that job. The pay and the perks, like the taxpayer-funded bars in the Palace of Westminster.

Some stupid Labour bint on Adam Boulton on Sky News this morning was saying that the referendum result should not be respected. She admitted on live TV that she hates democracy.

Proof, if any were needed, that Britain is no longer a democracy.
 

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Britain should stop trying to pretend that its empire was benevolent

he recent debacle of David Cameron’s filmed condemnation of Nigerian and Afghan corruption and the Queen’s remark on Chinese officials’ rudeness highlights the persistence of imperial thinking in Britain. There seems to be a continuing assumption within the British establishment that it sets an example for others to follow and that the British are owed deference by others. Ever since evangelical antislavery activists campaigned for Britain to abolish the transatlantic slave trade, Britons have assured themselves that imperial overrule is compatible with the “benign tutelage” of other races and nations. Unlike the other European empires, Britons tell themselves, theirs was an empire founded on humanitarian compassion for colonised subjects.
The argument runs like this: while the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Belgians and Germans exploited and abused, the British empire brought ideas of protection for lesser races and fostered their incremental development. With British tutelage colonised peoples could become, eventually, as competent, as knowledgeable, as “civilised” as Britain itself. These platitudes have been repeated time and again – they are still at the heart of most popular representations of the British Empire.
Even when we are encouraged to pay attention to empire’s costs as well as its benefits, these costs are imagined solely in terms of specific incidents of violence such as the Amritsar Massacre in India or the suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya. Britain has excused itself from that most structural injustice of empire – the slave trade itself – by the fact that it was Britain that pioneered its abolition.



More: https://theconversation.com/britain...-pretend-that-its-empire-was-benevolent-59298

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India has its own record of imperialist crimes


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In acknowledging post-colonial guilt, William Dalrymple asks us to perceive how others see us. If only those critics could ever see themselves (Books, 6 April). The Amritsar massacre of 1919 was a failure, but how many more families were affected by the Amritsar massacre of 1984? More people were killed by the Indian republic in ‘Operation Blue Star’ than by Dyer in 1919 — and thousands more Sikhs were killed in pogroms perpetrated with the connivance of the Indian National Congress in 1984.

India has its own record of imperialist crimes. Modern India was scarcely months old when it invaded the independent principality of Hyderabad: 200,000 people were killed in a naked act of territorial aggression. In 1975, India also subjected the principality of Sikkim to military occupation and annexation, and from Khalistan to Assam has suppressed multiple regional independence movements with a bloodiness that makes the Troubles look like a playground scuffle. Apologies from Britain for crimes caused during the Raj should only be forthcoming when modern India is forced to make amends for its own neocolonial atrocities.

Robert Frazer
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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/india-has-its-own-record-of-imperialist-crimes/
 

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RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: What would Rumpole make of Brexit murderers like Mrs May if we put them on trial at the Old Bailey?

By Richard Littlejohn for the Daily Mail
12 April 2019


Rumpole of the Bailey, played by Leo McKern, should turn prosecutor and put those who have handled the Brexit chaos in the dock


Rumpole of the Bailey is being brought out of retirement and given a modern makeover by the daughters of his creator, John Mortimer.

Actress Emily Mortimer and her sister Rosie have 'reimagined' the eccentric barrister for a new TV series. The original Rumpole, played by Leo McKern, ran on ITV for 44 episodes between 1978 and 1992.

Celebrated for his literary allusions, his love of small cigars and copious amounts of Chateau Thames Embankment from Pomeroy's Wine Bar, Horace Rumpole enchanted millions of viewers.

One wonders how Rumpole himself would have reacted to being brought up to date. On being told he had to move with the times, he replied: 'If I don't like the way the times are moving, I shall refuse to accompany them.'

He believed the presumption of innocence was the 'golden thread' which ran through British justice and only ever appeared for the defence.

But times have indeed changed since Rumpole last appeared at the Old Bailey.

The introduction of the dreaded European 'Yuman Rites' Act and the creation of the ridiculous Supreme Court have torn up our traditional legal landscape.

Truth and justice have been replaced by spin and duplicity. So, if Rumpole is truly to be updated for the 21st century, he should rethink his guiding principle.

Perhaps it's time that Horace Rumpole appeared for the prosecution. If there was any justice in the world, the entire political class would be put in the dock at the Old Bailey and charged with murdering Brexit.

The scene is Court Number One, Judge Bullingham presiding . . .


My Lord, I appear for the Crown in this case, along with my learned colleague, the lovely Portia of Equity Court, Miss Phyllida Trant. The defence is represented by Mr Claude Erskine Brown QC and Mizz Liz Probert.

This is most unusual, Mr Rumpole. I don't believe I have ever known you to prosecute.

That is correct, Old Darling. In the past, Rumpole has always pleaded Not Guilty. I recall that Your Lordship presided at my most famous victory, the Penge Bungalow Murders trial.

Indeed, I did. Bloodstains, wasn't it?


One wonders how Rumpole himself would have reacted to being brought up to date. On being told he had to move with the times, he replied: 'If I don't like the way the times are moving, I shall refuse to accompany them.'

Your Lordship's memory is as acute as ever. But ne'er so bloody as the case before us today. Times have sadly moved on and I find myself compelled, for once, to accompany them.

You may proceed, Mr Rumpole.

I am obliged, My Lord. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. You see before you in the dock as rum a collection of desperados as ever drew breath. They are charged with the theft, kidnap and brutal, pre-meditated murder of Brexit.

What is this Brexit to which you refer, Mr Rumpole?

You may well ask, My Lord, since it has been spirited away before our very eyes in the most vile manner.

(Erskine-Brown). I really must protest, My Lord.

Oh, do shut up, Claude. You'll get your turn. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I invite you to cast back your minds to the morning of June 24, 2016. Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive . . .

Get on with it, Mr Rumpole.

Britain awoke to learn that 17.4 million people, a clear majority, had voted to leave the European Union, to cast off the yoke of a corrupt foreign tyranny.

Never again would this royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle, this earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, this other Eden, demi-paradise, this fortress built by nature for herself . . .

We get the picture, Mr Rumpole. This is the Old Bailey, not the Old Vic.

Members of the jury, as a consequence of this historic plebiscite, the principal defendant Theresa Mary May became Prime Minister, when 'Call Me Dave' Cameron fell on his sword and was carried from the battlefield.

She promised solemnly that Brexit would mean Brexit. But she lied through her teeth and far from freeing Britain from the deadly embrace of a hostile foreign entity has surrended the last vestiges of sovereignty . . .

(Erskine-Brown). My Lord, I really must protest . . .


Theresa May and her cohorts should be put on trial charged with the murder of Brexit


Oh, do relax, Claude. Members of the jury, I put it to you that Mrs May, aka Mother Theresa of Maidenhead, the self-styled She Who Must Be Obeyed, as if there could be another, is fortunate not to have been charged with treason.

Mr Rumpole, stick to the charges before the court.

The prosecution will show that the defendant is guilty of grand larceny and murder most foul. Yet she stands not alone in the dock.

Behold her co-conspirators, Gina Nadira Miller, Pixie Balls-Cooper, Dominique Legion d'Honneur, Olivia Leftwing, Jean-Claude Bercow, Philip Spread-Fear Hammond, Amber Roland Rat, Anna Soubry-Loo and O Jeremy Corbyn.

I believe charges are pending against others, also, Mr Rumpole.

You believe correctly, My Lord. Unfortunately, there isn't room in the dock for them all to be tried at once.

Another 420 Members of Parliament have been remanded to appear at Snaresbrook Crown Court on similar counts of kidnapping and murder.

(Erskine-Brown). If Your Lordship pleases, my clients refuse to recognise the legitimacy of this court.

They believe members of the jury are too stupid to be trusted to reach the right verdict. They demand to be tried before a jury of their peers, at the European Court of Justice.

I bet they do, Old Darling.

Motion denied, Mr Erskine-Brown. Pray continue, Mr Rumpole.

I am obliged, My Lord. Members of the jury, in a nutshell, 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU and all its works and the defendants promised repeatedly to honour the result.

But immediately after the referendum, the political class and their confederates stole Brexit and have slowly strangled it to death.

Not only have they failed to 'take back control', they have handed our once-proud independent kingdom's fate to our natural enemies.

All are guilty of cold-blooded murder.

That is for the jury to decide, Mr Rumpole. Have you anything else before we repair to the Magpie and Stump for luncheon?

If I may further quote the Bard: 'This land of such dear souls, this dear, dear land . . . is now leased out. England . . . is now bound in with shame. With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds, that England that was wont to conquer others, hath made a shameful conquest of itself.'

That's enough, Mr Rumpole. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, at the end of the trial you will retire to consider your verdict of Not Guilty.

In the event of a majority in favour of Guilty, you will be instructed to keep on voting until you reach the right decision. We are adjourned until Halloween.

Mine's a large Chateau Thames Embankment, Old Darling.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...e-make-Brexit-murderers-trial-Old-Bailey.html
 

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The ‘othering’ of Leave voters

Remainers are wrong to portray the Leave vote as a product of provincial England.


Rakib Ehsan
The Spectator
11th April 2019



Remainers are rewriting history. They say the Brexit vote in June 2016 was little more than the product of ‘forgotten’ and ‘left-behind’ Britain – a mixture of anti-establishment feeling and imperial nostalgia in the northern industrial towns and the provincial Midlands. The latest purveyor of this narrative comes from the Financial Times’s Phillip Stephens.

According to Stephens, Brexit was not a British phenomenon, but an ‘English enterprise’. Specifically, a provincial English enterprise. He provides a similar account of Brexit to that previously made by outgoing Liberal Democrat Leader Sir Vince Cable, when he said that Brexit voters were driven by a nostalgia for a time when Britain was ‘white’. Stephens claims that the vote to leave the EU reflects a Britain that has ‘never come to terms with the loss of empire’. Brexit ‘is rooted as much in nostalgia as in the populist revolt against elites and outsiders’. This is what has ‘supplied the European debate with such visceral anger’, he argues.

This caricature of Brexit as a project of swivel-eyed English nationalists who have never come to terms with the end of empire is inaccurate and offensive. Indeed, one-third of ethnic minority voters voted to leave the EU – with British Indians being more likely to support Brexit than other BME groups. Even in Remainer London, British Indian Euroscepticism is prevalent, especially in the capital’s multi-ethnic Western boroughs. Osterley and Spring Grove, a relatively affluent non-white-majority ward in Hounslow with a noticeable Indian-origin presence, voted 63.4 per cent Leave. Hillingdon delivered a Leave vote of 56.4 per cent.

Eurosceptic sentiments among home-owning, well-to-do West Londoners of Punjabi and Gujarati origin are unlikely to be driven by a feeling of a loss of empire. Rather, it is more likely to be driven by a desire to see a skills-based immigration system, where EU migrants are not given preferential treatment over non-EU migrants. This discrimination feeds into a view of the EU as a ‘White Fortress’, which places Asian and African economies at a disadvantage in global markets through protectionist measures like the Common Agricultural Policy.

Stephens goes on to say that ‘with the exception of Birmingham, the nation’s great cities – London, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle among them – were on the side of Remain’. In this narrative, the provinces might have voted Leave, but England’s cities voted overwhelmingly in favour of Remain.

But a closer look at English cities shows that support for Leave was high there, too. While Newcastle and Leeds both voted marginally in favour of remaining in the EU, they delivered Leave votes of 49.3 per cent and 49.7 per cent respectively.

If Birmingham is the only of England’s ‘great’ cities to have voted Leave, one can only gather that Nottingham is not a great English city in the FT’s books, despite its rich history and culture. It is also home to the highly respected University of Nottingham, a Test ground in Trent Bridge and Nottingham Forest FC. Nottingham delivered a Leave vote of 50.8 per cent.

Sheffield, the home of Tudor Square, producer of countless well-known music acts, host to both one of the fiercest rivalries in English football and the Snooker World Championships at The Crucible, also fails to make the cut in this ‘Great English Cities’ list. Perhaps this is because it returned a Leave vote of 51 per cent.

Then, there is the fact that Wales provided a Leave vote of 52.5 per cent. In order to paint Brexit as a project of English nationalism, other Remainers have ignored or tried to downplay the Welsh support for Leave, too. For instance, Paul Adamson, chairman of Forum Europe, claims that the Welsh Leave vote is irrelevant because Leave won by just 82,225 votes. But this obscures the difference of five percentage points in favour of Leave – a gap wider than the UK-wide difference of 3.8 percentage points.

What the FT’s latest hit piece shows is that some elite Remainers cannot be trusted to provide an honest and fulsome account of what actually happened in June 2016. Modern-day Euroscepticism is complex. It cuts through a range of ethnic and socioeconomic groups. And it is certainly alive and well within our great English cities.

As well as largely sidelining ethnic-minority Leave voters from the Brexit debate, the mainstream media have followed a narrative that ‘others’ our fellow citizens who live in industrial towns and provincial parts of England. The people are broadly seen by pro-EU cosmopolitans as simple, misinformed, jingoistic nativists, who are undeserving of a proper say in their own country’s democratic governance.

The facts show that Brexit is not a provincial English enterprise. But even if it was, why should that matter? People living in provincial England are also part of the British democratic political community. It is time we treated them as such.

Dr Rakib Ehsan is a research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society. Follow him on Twitter: @rakibehsan

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/04/11/the-othering-of-leave-voters/
 

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ROD LIDDLE Jez like that, Brexit is about to turn out the opposite of what we voted for

What kind of Brexit do you think Magic Grandpa is going to push for now he has a seat at the table?

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RIGHT, let me understand this. The Prime Minister is now going to work out a Brexit deal with Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party.

She’s going to sit down with Magic Grandpa and work out a means to get Brexit through Parliament.

Theresa May is going to sit down with Magic Grandpa to find a means to deliver Brexit

How do you think Magic Grandpa is going to behave?

Do you think he’s suddenly going to come over all statesmanlike and do what’s best for the country?

Or will he think to himself: “I’ve got this bint over a barrel. I can screw out of her whatever the hell I want. And then look like I’m the bloke that saved Brexit.”

Go on, take a wild guess.

Except it won’t BE Brexit. It won’t be anything we voted for back on June 23, 2016.

We voted to leave the EU. Not to leave a small bit of the EU and carry on bunging it vast loads of dosh every year.

BREXIT BETRARYAL

And doing as we’re told over trade.

And abiding by their free movement of labour rules.

So we’ll have even more EU workers over here, undercutting the wages of the poorest of our own workers.

That’s kind of the OPPOSITE of what we voted for.

And we won’t even have a vote in the EU, as we do now.

It will be the worst of all worlds.

Do you think Magic Grandpa is suddenly going to come over all statesmanlike and do what’s best for the country?

And we’re at this appalling position largely because we have been failed by our Government.

Failed by our Prime Minister. And failed, dreadfully, by the House of Commons.

They all paid lip service to respecting the voice of the people. Hardly any of them meant it.

The majority for Remain in the House of Commons is enormous. And they were determined to get what THEY wanted.

The horrible thing is, even many of those who DID demand a proper Brexit let us down.

They let us down when they failed to mount a bid to lead the party after the referendum.

And they’ve let us down again by not being realistic about what sort of Brexit we can have.

It was clear to me at the end of December that there was no possibility whatsoever of us leaving the EU with No Deal.

It simply wouldn’t get through Parliament.

So the choice was May’s admittedly rotten deal, an even worse deal further down the line, or no Brexit at all.

I do not understand why the European Research Group of MPs didn’t understand this back then — and vote for May’s deal.

BREXIT'S GOT EVEN WORSE

We would be better off leaving with no deal at all, they kept saying. Yes, indeed.

But that was never, ever going to happen. How could they not see this?

There’s a good case for arguing that any deal cooked up by May and Gramps would be worse than staying in the European Union.

It would be, at best, a purely nominal Brexit, which would leave us all worse off — and the EU rather better off.

So at every stage, and by every part of the House of Commons, we have been let down, betrayed.

Whatever happens in the next few weeks, we need a new kind of politics.

One that represents the majority of the British people.

And for this shower to be washed away.

Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn says No10 talks on Brexit with PM Theresa May were 'useful but inconclusive'

Time to go for C4 Snow

JON Snow is the white, elderly, public school-educated presenter of Channel 4 News.

He is famous for his unrelenting left-wing bias and wearing ties.

C4's Jon Snow, famous for his left-wing bias and ties, shoe-horned his prejudices into the Brexit march report

He attended the Brexit march in Westminster on March 29. And what did he have to say about it?

“It’s been the most extraordinary day. A day which has seen . . . I have never seen so many white people in one place . . . ”

Needless to say, this drew more than 2,000 complaints from viewers.

Some, I hope, will have pointed out that the anti-Brexit march the previous Saturday was even more resolutely white.

Or perhaps simply alerted this pompous ass to the fact that 87 per cent of the country is white.

Snow was channelling the anti-Brexit line that all leavers are white and probably racist scumbags.

It is an idiotic assertion and always was. C4 News has apologised, kind of. One of those apologies that isn’t really an apology.

Anyway, my view is that Jon is male, pale and stale and it’s time for him to go.

Ideally to be replaced by someone who can report a news story without shoe-horning in their prejudices.


Some, I hope, will have pointed out that the anti-Brexit march the previous Saturday was even more resolutely white


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/87860...o-turn-out-the-opposite-of-what-we-voted-for/
 

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I've always loved this one. "India engaged in imperialist crimes, so what Britain did in India was fine."
Over here it's "The Native Americans made war with each other, so what we did to them was fine."
Congratulations, dipshit. The Jews made war, too. So you just justified the Holocaust.

Now stop putting words into other people's mouths.

The only thing wrong with the letter is that it says Stockport is in Cheshire, when it's actually in Greater Manchester.