7 Ways to Save the World

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Saturday shopping in Grande Prairie

largest groups of vehicle types around here. What's more is that there are 3 Hummers (that I've noticed) around here which have to be the worst guzzlers invented. SUVs are expensive in comparison to other vehicles. It isn't just getting average citizens to wake up because they prefer to get more bang for the buck, anyway: it's getting the wealthier people to smarten up.[/quote]


In Grande Prairie you can not go out on the roads without seeing at least three. Must be hundreds of them. Granted that some people live and work where they have need of 4 wheel drive and perhaps Crew capacity. Lot's of them here are just the family car!
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3 hummers parked at Canadian Tire, One at the 10 Pin bowling, and 2 at Safeway. Granted that you need 4 wheel drive just to navigate the streets-they are sooooo bad. Many people just feel safer with the security of 4 wheel drive, but all these Hummers in town is purely Bull S--t, ostentatious showing off.
 
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#juan, pardon on this kind of language, but read my posts carefully. Read my posts carefully. Read my posts carefully and think hard. Think hard. Think hard. Think very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very hard. These post ideas are to be linked together and put together. It says in my 1) point a) and b) to lower costs for people who buys items that are renewable. And not every hybrid is that costly. It may seem at first, however when you get the daily savings, then the original bulb with green will save you a lot of money. If you still do not understand, then I will have to give you the calculations of the two bulbs, the comparison of saving gas of a hybrid and a nonhybrid.


typingrandomstuff

Never mind the feeble attempt at sarcasm. I worked thirty odd years as a professional engineer and I don't need the likes of you to explain what, grade 7 math? That is about all that is required to figure out the savings one might expect by changing to fluorescent from incandescent bulbs.

I just bought a Toyota Camry hybrid. The cost difference over an equally equipped non-hybrid Camry was about six thousand dollars. I looked a other hybrids and the cost difference over the non-hybrid version of whatever make was similar.

My point, however, was that people get into the habit of buying new appliances, cars, etc. when the old ones wear out. All these savings are available if you are willing to pay the capital cost of the new energy saving models.

How long will it take to amortise the extra cost with the savings? Time will tell.


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typingrandomstuff

Never mind the feeble attempt at sarcasm. I worked thirty odd years as a professional engineer and I don't need the likes of you to explain what, grade 7 math? That is about all that is required to figure out the savings one might expect by changing to fluorescent from incandescent bulbs.
Actually, Juan I think that'd be arithmetic. Quite linear.

I just bought a Toyota Camry hybrid. The cost difference over an equally equipped non-hybrid Camry was about six thousand dollars. I looked a other hybrids and the cost difference over the non-hybrid version of whatever make was similar.
I think the things are hideous, but that's just me. I don't want a hybrid. I want the real deal, electric (or something), but none of this halfway crap.

My point, however, was that people get into the habit of buying new appliances, cars, etc. when the old ones wear out. All these savings are available if you are willing to pay the capital cost of the new energy saving models.

How long will it take to amortise the extra cost with the savings? Time will tell.


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iARTthere4iam

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ITN's post is a great place to start. These are actual doable realistic ideas that will help the environment improve efficiency and save money. How do we implement these into Canadian society? Saving money is likely to be a big selling point (for those that have the initial capital to invest to make the improvements). Energy service contractors can help by fronting the money (we are going to need many many times more of these companies- this is a great business model for anyone looking to make bucketfuls of cash), the government can help by offering tax incentives and private individuals can help themselves by spending some money upfront to save later.

Cajoling and badgering people into making changes in their lives is not a very effective means of changing behaviour.

The constant and repetitive nature of the global warming hype is making people numb to the fact that we can do something. Encourage people to see how they can benefit from change.
 

typingrandomstuff

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Um.

I agree with you!

However, people of middle classes have intermediate money and every one with medium to low funds almost always like to buy something cheap. If we let the market to be cheaper for the environmental efficient products, a lot of people will buy them. As a lot of people buys them, then the environment will be a step closer to being saved. As this trend continues, people will not understand, but somehow they got to save the envrionment, their children, and their future generations.

The car industry of Ford have ethanol selling cars and many people decide to use ethanol to save the greenhouse gases by 30%. I've been thinking and I found that it is because America is one of the leading industries that many people may copy what it do. However, I do not really think all cars will use ethanol ones because Japanese cars with their efficiency and successful hybrid make a very grand value in the market too. The best now is for someone with a degree and a lot of skills to go into America's ford company and revise a new edition of the car plans with the ford's old features kept to save the planet. That way, a major chunk will be reduced. I am trying to get that degree and that skills.
 

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Given a choice between ethanol powered vehicle and electric powered, I'll take the electric, thanks. I was a mechanic. I can tell you alcohol/gas mix isn't that great on the engine and it cuts down fuel efficiency.
But anyway, getting people to pay attention to what going green can do to their wallets is probably the best way to get their attention.
 

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Energy Conservation

Energy conservation must start at the basics to attain the levels of reduction of greenhouse gases that Canada has promised in the Kyoto Accord. Natural Resources Canada’s Office of Energy Efficiency (OEE) has taken great strides in the promotion of programs and the publication of hundreds of free publications, but is it enough?

Air Advocates and KESCA, as non-profit associations, believe that the direction taken by OEE is of paramount importance to promoting energy efficiency but falls short on the impact of the overall affect on clean air. The benefits of reduced greenhouse gas emissions are strongly linked to healthier environments (both indoor and outdoor), financial savings and the conservation of energy resources.

Few, if any, commercial establishments are aware that the practical application of energy efficiency may result in monetary and energy consumption savings of up to 19 percent. This, combined with regular maintenance and enhanced professional servicing, could readily increase this savings to 37 percent (Figure 1).

In Ontario, the application of energy efficiency and enhanced service levels could directly affect all aspects of commercial energy consumption with an estimated overall monetary yearly savings well in excess of $ 3.1 million. A significant savings that may be readily proven through several case studies produced by OEE and available on their web site.

Targeting small commercial institutions that produce gas emissions and require extensive air conditioning for their clientele may further support energy conservation. Hotels and restaurants are of this category. They represent only eight percent of the energy consumption of commercial buildings in Ontario with 58.5 percent of these facilities directly related to food services. Applying the 37 percent estimate for enhanced service level and energy efficiency, this facet of the economy may produce monetary savings in excess of $1.6 million.

The major problem in attaining these savings is the substantial lack of any dedicated legislation that establishes:

a.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]the frequency of maintenance and servicing for establishing service levels for heating, air conditioning, ventilation, refrigeration and exhaust systems;

b.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]inspection criteria for fire, health and building inspectors; and

c.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]criteria for certification of personnel dedicated to attaining the required service levels.

To date, all service level documentation refers to the U.S. National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) documentation as a direction towards the levels desired. As a guide, NFPA documentation is excellent but must be reinforced by Canadian legislation that is realistic and enforceable. Without this basic, grass roots approach the Kyoto Accord’s goals will be very difficult to attain. Action must be taken to enlighten the general public to energy efficiency through the implementation of legislation that will have an effect on the air within their work environments. This will bring energy conservation, energy efficiency, and air quality to the fore front of public concern.

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typingrandomstuff

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An explanation & prediction

That is very grand. In the mean time, I would like to explain some of the stuff that people often get confused about.

At the prehistoric age, people were at the mercy of nature. There were diseases and such, however these are not common because nature is hardly flawless. Once there was a disease that is very severe and killed a lot of people and so one day, one person invented the medicine. Other people invented machines to give us convenience so we will be protected from the huge winds of the storms, hurricanes, and natural disasters. As more of these are made, people eventually persuaded him/ herself that the world invented by people are the best.

I don't really know if it really is that way, however I do understand that in this future, with these developing technology for our convinence, we decrease our ability to create stuff and it caused more diseases and cost. People never seem to be too careful about their creations. The trash is always dumped and never used. Many medicine do not creates its opposites or create an acid like for a base. This result side-effects. Medicines also do not vary as the stages of the disease increase/ decrease. As the industrial people leave the polluted city, they begin to feel better and have less diseases such as the grey nails turns into ordinary color. Also, as more pesitcides are formed, the more bugs, and stronger the insects get.

These shows that the extremities of both nature and industry is a menace to humanity.

The only possibility left is the combination of the two. If we combine these together, we may do a lot. No matter how much we try, there is always some sort of products out of the ordinary balance of the earth or cause pollution. Earth have its own composition, and when we build plastics, or any man made material, we disturb the ecological systems and may cause certain diseases. If we kill too much of the birds that eat bugs causing diseases, people will have diseases. So, we must somehow save the place and have the ecological balance. We are imperfect. Tons and billion dollars are spent on enzymes, and unwanted chemical reactions and more money is spent. This waste of money result many people to hate green and hate earth more than ever.

It doesn't have to be like that way.

1. We need to be as independent as possible without those items.
2. Use man made products only under extreme conditions. To avoid imbalance.

for industries and others: try to use as much natural products as possible and
convert the remaining items into useful things by selling the remaining or converting the remaining products. For example, a fire burns a piece of wood. Carbon Dioxide use for dry ice and plant growing (the company sells to garderners and refrigeration companies).

Have a new sewage system:
1. Takes in the stuff from your drain
2. Cleans to get out oils, and other materials.
3. Transport those oils and other materials to facilities for formation of new products.
4. If there are toxins, convert them by using other materials and send the usable ones to use them over and over for the facilities.
5. The solid materials should be all the types of soil and the watery material should be the water. Water should be heated or cooled to the average temperature in which it is released.

Have a new dump:
Let everyone still dump everything in one or two categories. Then take every one of their trash and use the remains to make something new and worthwhile.

:color: FAQ :?:​

Would it be costly?
Consider the excess or so called "trash" is free and if we get the right combination of the materials, it should not be costly. As long as efficiency is reached, and we recycle in a way that produce less toxins, it is a grand price. We do not have to use extra money to refine or clean. This way the clean part may be the part when we earn money too.

Would we lose jobs?
NO. There would be more jobs created for people. For the new sewage plants and the new dump, tons of people would be required. Companies linking to the dump may help the government and let the government help them. If you have the skills of a nowaday technician, doing organics should not be much of a problem. Organic ones with orange juice is a lot simpler and less cost than the average other types. The old ones will still be kept because we would need the old technological knowledge to do the recycling.

Would other people say we are not advancing?
Technological advancement is created upon the convience and the demand of the consumers. If we think it is highly developed, it is highly developed. As long it works and people appreciate it, it is grand.

Why don't I see a lot of those things you say?
It is rare. Few people understands this and they do not know how to start. When the global market is full of these items, and the consumer fully sees this, well, everyone gets a grand share. Global market is run by rich people and consumers are consumers.

When would it fall?
It would fall when we overpopulated earth. When that happens, it is best to do a sacrifice or a war, the random selection of killing people to reduce number and create a better lifestyle. Fourtunately, that time is very, very, very, in the future.

Tah Dah!​
 
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typingrandomstuff

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A newly added ons.

Newly Revised :sleepy2:​

I thought about the geothermal ones and my restriction is overboard. :banghead: Sometimes I overthink about one part and forget about the other. Very sorry. :-( I think the best extraction of geothermal is to return the jets of water to its original place and try not to chop too many fish. For example, the jets of stream water will sprout out and land at nearby land. As long the machine take the heat of the earth streams that sprout out naturally and return the water to the nearby land or proper place, geothermal should be okay. :p

Also, the steps I posted 1., 2., 3., 4., are linked. When someone makes a renewable machine, its productivity should release as less disturbance to the natural world as possible or release less toxins and when we recycle, please use alternative energy forms to help reduce greenhouse gases.

Bulb :sign7: Calculations​

For ordinary people

To help people save money and environment, I did a simplified version of buying the greatest bulbs

1. Select a specific lumen and electricity rate for two bulbs. The store people can help with the brightness and lumens

2. collect information about the cost of the light bulb, the number of watts and the number of hour needed.

3. organize the information into the following:
Rate of Electricity: $---/hr
Cost: $---
Watts: ---W
Hours Operation: ---hr

4. Repeat steps number 2.-3. for the second light bulb

5. Find two numbers that can divide both the first variable of the hours operation and the second hours of the variation.

6. First of two numbers*watts*rate of electricity*hours of operation+first of two numbers*cost

7. Second of two numbers*watts2*rate of electiricty*hours of operation2+second of two numbers*cost

8. You can compare the cost

Example 1
Lumens: 2400 Rate of electricity: $0.20/hr
light bulb 1 light bulb 2
Cost: $8 for 4 bulb Cost2: $2 for 4 bulbs
Watt per bulb: 12W Watt per bulb2: 124W
Hours of Operation per bulb: 10hrs Hours of Operation per bulb2: 20hrs
Total1 :$208 Total 2:$1986

Showing my work:
10*2=20
bulb 1
$8 for 4 bulbs. $8/4=$2/bulb.
12*0.20*10*4*2+8*2=$208
bulb 2
$2 for 4 bulbs. $2/4=$0.50/bulb
124*0.20*20*4+2=$1986
$1986>$208 so bulb 1 is the better buy

Example 2
Lumens: 1200 rate of electricity: $0.20/hr
light bulb 1 light bulb 2
Cost:$2/bulb Cost 2: $5/bulb
Watt: 24W Watt 2: 12W
Hours of Operation: 2 hrs Hours of Operation: 3 hrs
Total 1:$34.8 Total 2: $24.4

Showing my work:
2*3=6. the first constant is 3. 3*2=6. the second constant is 2.
bulb 1:
24*0.20*2*3+3*2=$34.8
bulb 2:
12*0.20*3*2+5*2=$24.4
$24.4<$34.8
The second light bulb is the better buy.

I'm still working on the javascript version.
 
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typingrandomstuff

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A little bit off topic... but will be back 2 weeks from vacation

In conclusion:

I know in the couple of the posts I said to recycle and to avoid using the products that are man made. Only use man made products if under extreme hard conditions.

An addition to the household products, it is critical to make the reverse of the chemical as acid for bases and bases for acids pouring down the drain. This is to ensure neutralization for all water systems

Gas Addiction
how to get rid of it​

Part I-Cars

1. Perferable that cars burn ethanol instead of gas with electric hybrid breaks that last longer than two years if people are that addicted to the gas.

2. Use fuels similar to ethanol with more electric components. Each car's building should be as electric as possible with safety ratings and speed. A car's company's building and model will remain as they wish to be. The best will only have their engine changed. The car company should still be able to have their quality and price.

3. Try electric cars with top safety ratings and speed. Again, if that is not common, there must be somehow to rebuild the car into that safety rating and speed. The best is an electric hybrid car. A car with electric as main and hybrid breaks that last longer. Speed for an electric hybrid is in most successful hybrid cars. A rough understanding can be found in how stuff works.com in hybrids.

Or doing something by getting direct resources such as orange juice one.

PartII-Industrial powers and household

I found a real company with links to their production. If people can use that similar sort of building, they will save money or people may use other renewable resources. The whole point is to get electricity by disturbing nature as low as possible with the end product being the product you took to make it. That way people do not have to refine or clean up the stuff and waste more energy and money. The product also may be different and be reused as something else like sluge of sewage for some farming purposes. It also may be biodegradable. People can plant plants for natural filters if they like to. Two links for the week are:

www.mygarden.net.au
http://www.humboldt.edu/~serc/solarh2cycle.html :-D

For future, I will list some of the oppurtunities on web that companies and people can contact for energy and cost values. :cool:
 
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typingrandomstuff

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Vacations

I'm suppose to be on vacation,
but I had to post something.
I know bulbs aren't that great,
but hey,
save 0.5 is better than none.
That is all I have to say.

Solar panels use for side-kicks. Only solar on a large farm is expensive and need to cluster together and gather as much solar as possible. The best type of solar panels is both thermal and light.

Credits​
Credits by the conservative government is a step. It do not however do 100% fairness, but I say may be at least 30%. In the future, with or without anything else. I bet the oil will be hard to get. The company would have to hire both the geologist and seismic geologist and other people.

Dilution​
Dilution by water is not that grand. If people is going to use dilution, make sure the production of the products do not exceed the limit of the earth's ability to transform it into an organic product. Otherwise, help dilution. This is an expensive method in both environment and funds and is not recommended. Similar to dilution, products should form least amount of excess released into the environment.

Hydrogen-Electric Cells​
Wow! Just got an update platinum is expensive. Why not replace platinum with another type of similar cheaper metals? Researching cheaper metals. Coming possibly couple of weeks.
 
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the caracal kid

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good ideas,

we need to address end-to-end costs (economic and environmental) in our choices though.

With the global rate of growth, all these small maneuvers will only buy a small delay, rather than a solution.

for example, i really am impressed by the tesla, but how clean would it be to operate? this comes down to what is being used to generate the electricity it uses.
 

typingrandomstuff

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To an explaination!

Lolz. I'm only a student. You are right about how clean we are to operate. I guess that part leads to the international politics, kyoto protocols, environmental toxicologists, and variety of engineers, and natural scientists under years of observations and data to set a scale for how much production of gases must be made in each products. If we each do something, global warming will be slowly reduced.

I guess global warming may create more proverty by giving droughts on African lands and warm weather may tick people off so that they start fighting again. I don't know what war or proverty worries and this thread have any link at all, but hey! I like to answer questions.
 
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