6th British soldier dies in Afghanistan.

Mogz

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Five! You get back in the garage!

P.S. Well put as usual however my friend :)
 

JonB2004

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RE: 6th British soldier d

OK, well why was it Canada's place to follow the U.S. into Afghanistan? It was the U.S.'s problem. 9/11 took place in their country. Why did Canada go to Afghanistan?
 

Claudius

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Footnote
1. The consent of the House of Commons is in no way required to justify or continue an operation abroad; this reference is included merely as "icing on the cake", so to speak, since the management of the Forces is an exclusive prerogative of the Crown and therefore, by extention, the prime minister of the day and his or her ministry.

Waaaaaait a minit: I thought the crown was the Queen not the governemnt?

( :twisted: just kidding)

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Mogz

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It wasn't "our" place. There was nothing saying we HAD to go. However the United States is our best friend and closest ally. We went to assist them, after all they were attacked. Furthermore, you may be forgetting, either by chance or by willful intention, to remember that Canadians were killed on September 11th. Lastly, and most importantly, Article V of the NATO Treaty, which states:

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
 

JonB2004

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RE: 6th British soldier d

OK. That's why we're there in Afghanistan. Because of some damn treaty. So we are technically stuck there. But what about when other NATO countries pull out of Afghnaistan? It would give Canada the right to pull out, right?
 

Mogz

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JonB2004 said:
OK. That's why we're there in Afghanistan. Because of some damn treaty. So we are technically stuck there. But what about when other NATO countries pull out of Afghnaistan? It would give Canada the right to pull out, right?

The treaty isn't binding Jon. Read Article 5 again, especially this part:

each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary

We never had to go to Afghanistan. The most we HAD to do was verbally support the U.S. and allow them to fly aircraft through our airspace on their way to Afghanistan, something we did before September 11th. No, there was no "damn treaty" that MADE us go to Afghanistan.

P.S. We pulled out of Afghanistan for 5 months to reorganize back in 2002.
 

JonB2004

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RE: 6th British soldier d

OK. So we didn't have to go to Afghanistan. So why did we go?
 

Claudius

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You've been given perfectly reasonable answers for that question 100 times now.

Why do you persist on asking the question when we know as well as you do that there is no answer you will accept?

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JonB2004

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Claudius said:
You've been given perfectly reasonable answers for that question 100 times now.

Why do you persist on asking the question when we know as well as you do that there is no answer you will accept?

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This is a debate between Mogz and I. Everyone else can mind their own business, including you.
 

I think not

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JonB2004 said:
Claudius said:
You've been given perfectly reasonable answers for that question 100 times now.

Why do you persist on asking the question when we know as well as you do that there is no answer you will accept?

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This is a debate between Mogz and I. Everyone else can mind their own business, including you.

Au contraire, you're in an open forum, if you want to debate in private, get a room.
 

JonB2004

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I suggested to Mogz that we do it by the way of private message, but he insisted on this.
 

Claudius

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RE: 6th British soldier d

Well no actually anyone at all can join in, sorry....that's the way it is. Besides I don't really see you debating him, more like pestering him on and on with silly "why Daddy? Why Daddy?" questions.

You don't want to answer me that's your right but you're pretty silly to think you have even half the right to ask me to butt out. You don't. Go get your own forum.

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FiveParadox

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Re: Forum Protocol • Afghanistan Answers

[i said:
JonB2004[/i]]This is a debate between Mogz and I. Everyone else can mind their own business, including you.
No.

Every member has the right to post whatever they may see fit, within the bounds of the forum rules and guidelines and whatnot, whether or not it may happen to intervene into a "private" spat between two or more members. If you don't want other members to read or contribute, then you shouldn't be having this conversation in an open forum, now should you?

In relation to the answers to the Afghanistan mission, I think that it was quite a reasonable response. We were bound by a treaty to take measures which our previous Government of Canada had deemed to be appropriate, and the Government, at the time, chose to send the Canadian Forces in a moderate showing to assist in restoring peace and order in the area. While Canada has indeed taken part in shows of force, these have been a means to an end.
 

Mogz

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First off, Jon, you cannot stop people from offering input. However I am not debating with anyone else, therefore my focus is solely on you and you alone. If you reciprocate the action, then the debate is between us.

Now to answer your question:

OK. So we didn't have to go to Afghanistan. So why did we go?

We went because our ally was attacked, canadian citizens had been killed, and because NATO asked us to go.

I would also like to point out that we didn't have to go to South Africa, World War I, World War II, Korea, Cyprus, Vietnam, The Golan Heights, The Gulf War, Somalia, Rwanda, Haiti, The Former Yugoslavia, Eritrea, or The Congo.
 

aeon

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Mogz said:
JonB2004 said:
Why is anyone in Afghanistan? Why don't we just bring our troops home?

Why so you can get a welfare check jon? There are a myriad of reasons why we're there, you're just too young and uninformed to understand why.


That is pretty ridicoulus, too young to understand why, but he understand that there is no reason to be there, except helping the americans coorporations building their dreampipeline, why do you think amid karzai was a unocal adviser( the coorporation who are supposed to build this dream pipeline) before becoming leader of afganisthan?
 

JonB2004

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RE: 6th British soldier d

OK. We went to Afghanistan because 24 Canadians died on September 11th. As much as it was awful that all of those Canadians died, it still wasn't our place to go there even if the our ally was attacked.

And you are saying that we didn't have to go to any other war. Well, why did we go? It sounds like we just don't know how to mind our own business.
 

aeon

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Mogz said:
We went because our ally was attacked, canadian citizens had been killed, and because NATO asked us to go.

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Still americans didnt show to anyone in the world, who was really behind the attacks,except speculations.
 

JonB2004

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aeon said:
Mogz said:
JonB2004 said:
Why is anyone in Afghanistan? Why don't we just bring our troops home?

Why so you can get a welfare check jon? There are a myriad of reasons why we're there, you're just too young and uninformed to understand why.


That is pretty ridicoulus, too young to understand why, but he understand that there is no reason to be there, except helping the americans coorporations building their dreampipeline, why do you think amid karzai was a unocal adviser( the coorporation who are supposed to build this dream pipeline) before becoming leader of afganisthan?


Well aeon, I'm actually not sure if Canada is in Afghanistan because of oil, or if its because we don't know how to mind our own fucken business. But its definitely got to be one of those.
 

JonB2004

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aeon said:
Mogz said:
We went because our ally was attacked, canadian citizens had been killed, and because NATO asked us to go.

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Still americans didnt show to anyone in the world, who was really behind the attacks,except speculations.


The Americans didn't know who was behind 9/11 until Osama bin Laden released that tape which showed that he admitted to the attacks.