3 die as Canadian plane crashes in New York state
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This is a typical light twin accident. If you lose an engine you have to apply generous amounts of opposite rudder and aileron because all the power is from one side. A gust of wind from the wrong side can get you in trouble because you've already used up most of your aileron and rudder. The aircraft will actually climb with one engine but the pilot has to know what he's doing. I have'nt flown the Baron but some light twins require you to throttle back a bit on the good engine to gain control. Light twin drivers should do engine out drills every flight until they are completely comfortable with them.
No kidding. Wow. 57 to 62?? Really...how old are you, if you don't mind me asking. For some reason I pictured you as a much younger gentleman.
Where were you...I don't know the right terminology...but..stationed?
I know very little about planes, and no, I have never heard of those. Well, you know, 68 isn't that old these days. Besides, wow, it sounds like you have a very interesting life, full of experience.
Oh wow...ya...I have never seen one of those before. What year would that have been?Here a picture of the F-86
3 of the first four I have heard of - the first 2 are trainers iirc + the sabre flew quite abit in Korea if I read my books correctly.
back in the 70's, there was a fella outside of Moncton NB who bought a bunch of Sabres, had them in his field as he tried to resell them on the world market. I think the gov't was giving him a hard time, but he finally did unload them.
A lot of them ended up in Pakistan, Canadair built about eighteen hundred of them. The U.S. even bought some of them. The year I left the RCAF Canada bought the CF-104 Starfighters and the Voodoos. In those days a fighter was obsolete as soon as it was built....or sooner.
So you have heard of the Golden Hawks juan. Funny thing happened while installing smoke generators on the F86s. This comm tech was sitting in the cockpit, while I was sitting on the wing root. The guns, trays, etc were stripped out, and we were working away, when I suddenly felt as if I were rising. I looked up at the comm tech, as he looked down at me, and we were both wondering what was going on when the tail hit the floor. When we looked back, we saw some air frame guys on an aero stand at the tail, turns out, one of them had stepped on the elevator, and down it went. The comm tech was relieved, because he was afraid he had released the drop tanks like he had done overseas. Can't remember how I got down, but do remember it was too high to jump. Guess they must have eased it back down on the nosewheel. Never thought about it until now, but the sabre must have been close to tail heavy, did you ever have a stall and find it difficult to get the nose down?
Never worked on the chipmunk, worked on all the rest and then some at 6RD. Nearly wet my pants when I was clearing in though, cause there was a spitfire on the tarmac. Turns out, I had just missed the silver dart. We had planes flown in with holes in the rudder the size of a brick. Remember we had to deflate the tires of a canso, so we could get the tail into the hangar. They used to bring planes into Trenton for the CNE, and it took half an hour to get them all into the air. And this was with the f86s taking off a flight at a time. Saw my first 104 on the hangar floor (couldn't tell for certain what it was, because it was in a million pieces) Don't think we had the things 3 months before one got pranged. Haven't heard get stuffed for what seems like almost 50 years now.
The Sabre was pretty neutral to fly most of the time. Sometimes turning onto a short final, there was a tendency to tuck a wing under but once you knew about it it wasn't a problem. I've never flown a Sabre without the guns but I've never heard anyone say they were tail heavy without them. For the Golden Hawks, I would have thought they'd add some ballast in place of the guns.
If I remember correctly, the mark 2s and 6s had the wing slats that fell forward to help that out a little, or was that just something we were told. I was gone to Cold Lake before the job was completed, but you can bet that incident would have caused them to think about it. Saw my first 101 there, it did a low pass, opened the throttle, stick back, and climbed faster than a cf100 could dive. The sabre was so easy to start, I could have done it, but it had the hard start, as opposed to the cf100s soft start. Anyway, this pilot was winding up his sabre, but he hit the battery master about 2 seconds too early, and everything went down. Must be something wrong with that energizer airman, yessir, took it around the hangar, had a smoke, took it back, and that time he waited, it started, and he said, now that's a good energizer. I saw pilots at Cold Lake who were barely 5 feet tall. I was no giant, but when a guys head barely comes to my shoulder, I have to wonder if he had problems with the pedals.
I just had a conversation with a friend; the two brothers killed in the crash were good customers of his.
By the time I got there, all we had were mark 6s. The wing slats were a good addition. With them, the mark 6 was able to turn inside anything with comparable speed including the Voodoo and the Starfighter.
I had a friend that died in a plane crash years back in a twin engine Cessna around Caledon Ontario.
He flew into some fog and probably did not pay attention to his instrument and hit some trees and landed in a farmers field and the plane was intact.
Six months later I was watching a Transport Canada on plane crashes on Discovery channel and my friend’s plane crash was one of the cases they filmed and in the story I found out when you hit trees or crash in a forest the horizontal branches on the trees are like spears and it will skewer you and that is what happened to my friend.
The investigators said that if the branch didn’t get him he would be alive to tell about it.
The plane that took off from Oshawa landed in a forest and I have to assume that this is how they met their end.
He flew into some fog and probably did not pay attention to his instrument and hit some trees and landed in a farmers field and the plane was intact.
Six months later I was watching a Transport Canada on plane crashes on Discovery channel and my friend’s plane crash was one of the cases they filmed and in the story I found out when you hit trees or crash in a forest the horizontal branches on the trees are like spears and it will skewer you and that is what happened to my friend.
The investigators said that if the branch didn’t get him he would be alive to tell about it.
The plane that took off from Oshawa landed in a forest and I have to assume that this is how they met their end.