14 British soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

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14 British soldiers killed in Afghanistan air crash

2nd September 2006





A NATO aircraft has crashed in southern Afghanistan, killing 14 British soldiers, an ISAF spokesman has said.

Twelve RAF personnel, a Royal Marine and an Army soldier were among those who died.

According to the International Security Assistance Force, the aircraft had made an emergency call before crashing.

Major Luke Knittig in Kabul said: "I can confirm we have information that an aircraft supporting ongoing ISAF missions in Afghanistan is missing after declaring an emergency some time just before 4pm local time (12.30pm UK).

"There were no reports of enemy action and we are working to establish the facts."

The Ministry of Defence in London said it was aware of an incident in southern Afghanistan.

The type of aircraft or nationality of the crew was not yet known.

Defence Secretary Des Browne described the news of the deaths as "dreadful and shocking" and said it appeared to have been a "terrible accident".

He said: "I know that the people of Britain will join me in sending our deep condolences to the loved ones of those who have lost their lives, and to the British military as it deals with the loss of friends and comrades.

"This is not the time for speculation, as the operation to secure the crash site is ongoing. We will provide further information as soon as there is more to say.

"Everyone will understand that our first priority is to inform and support the families of those on board.

"I can say, however, at this stage all the indications are that this was a terrible accident and not the result of hostile action.

"This tragic incident should serve to remind us all of the risks the British military shoulder on all our behalf, across the world every day."

The MoD has set up a helpline for worried relatives on 08457 800 900.

No details have yet been released of the type of aircraft involved.

Today's crash is thought to be the biggest single loss of British troops in Iraq or Afghanistan since the war on terror began in November 2001.

Ten British armed personnel were killed when a Hercules C130K crashed 19 miles north-west of Baghdad on January 30, 2005.

News of today's crash emerged shortly after 2pm today when ISAF reported an aircraft "missing" in southern Afghanistan.

ISAF spokesman Major Luke Knittig said the aircraft had made an emergency call shortly before it disappeared.

Locals near the scene described how coalition force helicopters were seen flying towards the crash site.

Haji Eisamuddin, a local tribal elder, said the wreckage of the plane was burning in an open field.

"I can see three to four helicopters in the sky, and coalition forces are also arriving in the area," he said.

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tamarin

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Blackleaf, that's a stunning loss. As a Canadian with British ancestors, I'm not opposed to such posts at all. The Brits, whether some like it or not, were essential to the birth of Canada and their roots are everywhere. I'd hate to see Canada suffer such a loss. I continue to believe the Afghan mission is misguided and inevitably something we'll regret. Most Canadians are onboard with that.
 

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I can't speak for Blackleaf but it may be to remind us that we are not alone fighting the scum. It is not only Harper and Bush who realize the grave danger the world is in if we do nothing to stop terrorists.
 

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Inquiry into Afghan crash begins


The plane was an RAF Nimrod MR2 based at RAF Kinloss



An investigation has begun to find out why an RAF plane crashed in southern Afghanistan, killing 14 UK forces personnel on board.
The Nimrod MR2 reconnaissance aircraft came down near the city of Kandahar.

It is believed a technical fault was to blame for the loss of the plane, which came from RAF Kinloss in Moray.

Defence Secretary Des Browne paid tribute to those who had died and dismissed claims by the Taleban that militia had shot down the plane.

He said: "The Taleban regularly make claims which we know to be untrue and I think in this case, this is instructive of the nature of their dishonesty."

He called the crash "dreadful, shocking news", saying that the priority was to help the families of those who had died.

Twelve RAF personnel, a Royal Marine and an Army soldier were on board the plane. The next of kin have been informed of the tragedy.

Mr Browne added: "In Afghanistan, we have secured the site and the investigation has begun.

"I can confirm that the indications both before the crash and since suggest that this has been a dreadful, tragic accident."

Patrick Mercer, the Conservative spokesman on Homeland Security, said British forces in Afghanistan needed to be better equipped if the campaign was to be successful.

Major Luke Knittig, a spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), said the aircraft, which had been acting in a support role to the Nato-led force battling the Taleban, had made an emergency call shortly before it disappeared.

Coalition helicopters were reportedly seen flying to the scene of the crash, about 20 km (12 miles) west of the city of Kandahar.

Defence analyst Dr Alexandra Ashbourne said the investigation into why the plane went down would focus on a number of areas.

"It was not enemy fire that brought the plane down, it was equipment malfunction," she said.

"It is normally a very safe plane but something catastrophic has clearly happened."

Aviation journalist, Jim Ferguson, said the reconnaissance planes had been operating in and around the country for some time.

"It is used a lot for search and rescue and it may well be doing other interesting tasks out in Afghanistan."

The pilot is believed to have radioed ground staff about a technical fault shortly before the aircraft came down.

The crash brings the death toll of UK forces personnel in Afghanistan to 36 since the start of operations in November 2001.

Afghanistan is experiencing its bloodiest period since the fall of the Taleban in 2001, with much of the fighting concentrated in the south.

There are 5,500 British troops in the country, helping to train Afghan security forces, facilitate reconstruction and provide security.

Over past few months Nato troops have been involved in deepening counter-insurgency operations, BBC defence correspondent Paul Wood said.

He added that the plane is said to have been flying a surveillance mission to support a Nato operation in the town of Panjwayi, a town regularly threatened by the Taleban.

"As operations intensify in the south, Nato has given itself six months to show that the Afghan government is on the winning side," our correspondent added.


*A special MoD helpline is available on 08457 800 900 for families concerned about relatives.


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The Nimrod was designed as a sea patrol and anti-submarine aircraft and entered service with the Royal Air Force in the UK over 30 years ago.

Its design is based on the de Havilland Comet, the first commercial jet airliner, with four jet engines integrated into the wings next to the fuselage.

In the early 1980s some RAF Nimrods were upgraded from the original R1 design to the MR2, the main roles of which are sea surveillance, anti-submarine warfare and support for search and rescue operations.

Apart from the 1982 Falklands War, Nimrods served in both the 1990 and 2003 Gulf wars and helped enforce Nato's maritime blockade of the Balkans in 2001.

Increasingly since the operations in Kosovo at the end of the 1990s the Nimrod MR2 had been used overland.

"It has been very successful in that, particularly in Afghanistan, because it has a very sophisticated communications equipment on board," said defence analyst Paul Beaver.

The Nimrod is able to act as rebroadcasting centre, suitable for use over the rough hilly terraine of Afghanistan.

It can act as a large radio system that can pick up messages from troops on the ground and relay them for them. It is also able to scan the ground and send real time video back to commanders at the bases.

During the Cold War the Nimrod's main role was monitoring Soviet submarines and surface ships in the Baltic, North Atlantic and beyond.

In 1988 they supported rescue work after the Piper Alpha oil rig fire.

One the aircraft's greatest assets is flight range - even without refuelling it can remain airborne for 10 hours with an operating range of 3,800 miles (6,080 km). It has a top speed of 575 mph (925 kph).

Capable of carrying 25 people, the crew normally consists of two pilots and a flight engineer on the flight deck, two navigators, an air electronics officer (with overall responsibility for sensors and communications), three operators of search and listening detectors and four avionics and weapon system operators.

Nimrod MR2s fly mainly from RAF Kinloss in Scotland, although a programme to replace them with an up-dated version - the MRA4 - is under way.

It does not tend to act as a bomber aircraft although there is speculation the new version of it might have that role.




New-generation Nimrods are to enter service and could become Britain's first heavy-bombers since the early 1980s when the Vulcan was taken out of service.

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Re: RE: 14 British soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

wallyj said:
I It is not only Harper and Bush

But Blair is doing more than Harper. Blair has sent troops to Iraq. Harper hasn't. Britain has been in the War on Terror from the very beginning.
 

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At some point the West will have to withdraw. And what difference will we have made? Gosh, I'd like to be optimistic ... but I can't.
 

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RE: 14 British soldiers k

One thing I realy don't get (and this is in NO WAY meant to be disrespectful to anyone) is how every time ANY aircraft goes down, the ONE thing that could NOT have happened is it got shot down...
Withe the large numbers of helicopter accident etc, it just seems odd. Considering that the largest loss of life comes from these incidents (pretty much guaranteed multiple deaths every time, this one being obviously pretty bad) it seems some kind of odd cold comfort that "at least it was only an equipment malfunction, so they didn't get killed by the bad guys"

I understand the propaganda value of the whole deal, but I have a hard time believing that in both Iraq and Afghanistan, brealy any aircraft have been shot down, but several had sudden total malfunctions that lead to the deaths of all onboard...

I'm not trying to be flippant, it just makes me wonder, I would think that if indeed this IS the hand of propagandists, with the flagging support for both adventures (and the obvious down-spiral they are taking- as posted above, it's not a question of victory or defeat for the invaders, just what form the defeat is going to take) wouldn't the more positive spin be "the dirty BASTARDS killed 14 of our boys??"

like that civilian airliner that crashed shortly after 9/11 and has long since been totally forgotten (the Queens crash) it seems like the public is supposed to hear "mechanical malfunction" and somehow think "WHEW" at least they got killed my accident (which, to my recollection, is EXACTLY what happened with that Queens crash, since it wasn't "terror" it was nothing to worry about, which I find patently ridiculous)...

I really. really don't get it, and I'm not trying to step on any toes
 

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Britain is now officially at war with the Taliban. After only going there in a peacekeeping role, Britain has now decided to actually declare war on the Taliban.


3 September 2006

IT'S WAR - OFFICIAL


By Rupert Hamer Defence Correspondent


Still the best in the world: Britain is at war with the Taliban after originally going to Afghanistan as a peacekeeper.



BRITISH troops are now officially "at war" against Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.

The change comes as tributes were paid to the latest British soldier to die there.

When they first went to the province in May, soldiers were given strict peacekeeping rules governing when they could open fire. But as the fighting escalated - with seven British soldiers killed by the Taliban in the latest flare-up - senior officers have been forced to change the rules of engagement (ROE).

Troops now have "war fighting" ROE, although a spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said this would be "kept under constant review".

A senior military source said: "This is now a full-on offensive against the Taliban or their hired guns."

Ranger Anare Draiva, 27, of the 1st Battalion, The Royal Irish Regiment, was killed on Friday while manning a guard post in Helmand province.

His Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Michael McGovern, said: "Those that knew Draiva will not be surprised that he was killed defending his comrades."


* TRIGGER HAPPY - Canadian troops mistakenly killed one policeman and wounded four others at a checkpoint in southern Afghanistan yesterday.


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