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Watch Micheal Chrichton explain about complex systems, and how scare scenarios have always been with us. Very informative. As for the Oregon Petition, it was indeed signed by thousands of scientists. Environuts tried to find non-scientific signatories to discredit it, and finding none decided...

But, gosh darn it, that damned bumblebee keeps flying anyway!

I really don't know what you're getting at here. Maybe if you were more specific(but don't bother, I'm really not interested in getting going on another topic) No. Neither should partisan activists be able to influence government policy on scientific matters. But they do. Another topic which...

We'll see how it plays out.

How 'bout that! I forgot that little tidbit They didn't say he switched his tune, although since he sings the other one now it could be inferred. My impression from the first article is that what was being denied is the funding, and that's what they're standing behind. Since they won't back...

I pasted two separate articles from two separate sites. The first one had this at the bottom: The second I don't know where it came from, they had no links, although they credited the same source. But the only story they claim to stand behind is the first one, unless you know of a claim...

No, that's a different group that said that.

Ah yes, what's actually happening isn't important, right?.

I wouldn't know the truth of it, but they're standing by the story...... Usually that isn't done if it isn't substantiated.

They give good reason for removing an upward linear trend. Seems it shouldn't have been there. Lockwood and Frolich appear to have done some fancy footwork, so to speak, erasing the solar cycle from data sets to present a false impression of rapid temperature increase. Guess they didn't like...

Very well said, especially the first speaker.

OK, I found some stuff on James Hansen. Is this what you're referring to? I also followed a link to this (rather questionable) forum. No link to backup this article Which story were you referring to? I suspect the first, but they're standing by the story.....

Seems the sun is the major driver of climate change after all.

His arguments regarding the spending on useless CO2 reductions are what I'm referring to. Though he agrees that global warming is happening and that human-generated CO2 is a contributing factor, he questions whether "hysteria and headlong spending on extravagant CO2-cutting programs at an...

If you were to suggest changing our ways to reduce oil consumption to lessen dependency on unstable Mid-East countries, or to lessen pollution, I would agree, that's not fear mongering, it's good sense. If you suggest cleaning up the pollution from coal fired sources, I'm with you. That's also...

The public knows very little, but believes the fearmongers. And the only ones saying what science tells us are the "deniers". You keep saying that, but I still don't understand how it can be fear mongering to say there's nothing to be afraid of. Unless you're referring to the costs of Kyoto...

They wouldn't be concerned in the least if not for the fear mongering. People like it warmer. 50 below isn't fun, as I can tell you from personal experience. Sure they are, and they were when it was cooling 35 years ago too Well why not? It's the biggest promotion in the world at this time...

Tell you what, people. I have no time to continue this, much as I would like to. Here's what I propose. Tell me, as believers in the approaching calamity due to global warming, what you suggest to "save the planet". I posed the question on the thread "7 Ways to Save the World" a week ago...

It's generally been admitted world wide that theBS about DDT was just that, bunk. I grew up eating that stuff. My father put lots of it on our vegetable garden. I recall him making a paste of DDT dust and water in his palm and immersing seeds in it before planting. He's 101 now, and quite...

I guess you missed the post where I commented on smears instead of evidence. If you have the evidence, you use the evidence. If you don't have the evidence, you shoot the messenger. Anyone who resorts to character assassination and smear campaigns instead of presenting opposing evidence is de...