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In Aussie the politicians are listening Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax – Telegraph Blogs

OK then, get them to do it.

Instead of spending trillions to address a non-existant problem (AGW) why not go after real problems, like actual pollution? Want to know what that looks like? Anna's pictures were mild. Take a look at this: Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China | ChinaHush

:lol: Drink that Koolaid! Here's a task for you: Make a case for AGW without using models.

We can influence climate in a miniscule way, but there is no evidence not full of holes that says we are responsible for climate change like the IPCC says. There likely is a small effect on the beetles by the warmer climate, but not much at all. Evidence does not point to a human influence on...

Is there anyone on this forum that thinks there's no global warming? Anyone???? You're kidding, right? You don't seriously mean that they're still trying to push that bit of fraud, come on! That was debunked years ago. 1000 years ago was much warmer than now, or have you forgotten the...

Evidence has convinced me otherwise. In science, that's ultimately the only thing that counts, and it's all on the side of the skeptics.

Again, Anna, you refer to human caused problems, not natural ones. I don't like the thought of my grandkids and generations to come having to deal with those problems either. Neither do I want my descendants coping with those problems exacerbated by the economy destroying costs of paying for...

Sheeple like you are the answer to the AGW alarmists prayer. Because there are so many of you they are getting rich. Pay up sucker.

:lol: Now you're talking about real human (unnatural) causes of problems. Totally different subject, and ones we could actually do something about.

Any type. Even electric cars need energy from somewhere. Want to build a house? An appartment building? A bridge? Highway dividers for that car? Every facet of our comfortable western lives is dependant on an abundant supply of cheap energy. It's the consumer, the manufacturer, the wholesaler...

True, all natural. It's also true that natural events can be devastating, benign or beneficial. No-one says that we shouldn't worry about climate change because it's natural. We know that global cooling has been disasterous for humanity in the past. But we also know that global warming has...

There are nutbars that want to reduce the population by that amount (excluding themselves, of course). But the fact of the matter is, we know well that we aren't going to reduce emissions to that level, so why are the alarmists insisting that we must? Why for money, of course. You want to...

That's a bit extreme for you Dex. Certainly it's exaggeration, but the treaty will make the US subservient in it's requirements, and will require approval of all the other signatories if they want to get out of it, something that they would never agree to. As such, only a fool would sign on.

You keep saying that like we don't believe climate change is real. How many times have you been corrected now? Once again, yes climate change is real. It's happening now, it happened in the past, it will happen in the future. The only constant about climate is that it is always changing...

What nonsense. If the AGW scare is real, we have to get back to 17th century emission levels, which means no planes, trains or automobiles, no lights other than the meger glow of your own solar cells or hand cranked generator, no natural gas or petroleum products, no air conditioning or...

So what is normal? How is that temperature decided? If we average the whole current interglacial period as our "normal" standard, then we are currently well below normal.

I think you missed what he was saying. First of all, fossil fuels aren't a dead end. They are, to all intents and purposes, infinite; we'll never run out. The other point is that existing alternatives aren't really alternatives because there's no way they can replace fossil fuel use, no...

Ouch! You dumped oil shares just before the big surge? That must hurt! But to be realistic, alternative energy sources are a good idea, but they can't as yet even come close to replacing fossil fuels, only supplement them a little. Read this guy's speech: Complete speech at...

Why is the myth of AGW perpetuated? For the money, of course. AGW is now the biggest industry in the world! Rest of the article at Lawrence Solomon: Enron's other secret - FP Comment