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Ron in Regina

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Ok. I’ve watched the above video and I think I know less about the conflict now. I’m not even sure if that video was about Russia or Ukraine or America or Trump, or maybe Marco Rubio?

Russia attacks Ukraine. Three years later, Trump attacks Zelensky. Then Trump gets a mineral deal with Ukraine. Then…? What are they saying here?
 

reedak

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1. President Donald Trump on Thursday said Russia’s failure to forcibly seize and occupy the entirety of Ukraine’s territory amounts to a “pretty big concession” to Kyiv...

Speaking in the Oval Office during a bilateral meeting with Norwegian prime minister Jonas Gahr Støre, Trump insisted to reporters that he is putting pressure on Russian president Vladimir Putin behind the scenes as reporters asked him what he would ask the Russian leader to give up to match the massive territorial concessions he has asked Ukraine to make as a way to find an end to Europe’s bloodiest conflict since the end of the Second World War.

Trump replied: “Stopping the war, stopping [from] taking the whole country.”

He added that not seizing all of Ukraine’s sovereign land — the goal Putin had laid out when he launched the war in February 2022 and which was foiled by Ukraine’s military resistance — was a “pretty big concession” in his view.

Trump’s bizarre and nonsensical comment glossed over the fact that Putin had always wanted to occupy and control Ukraine’s land and erase it from the map as an independent nation, thereby reassembling a large portion of the former Soviet Union and Russian empire. The reason Russia has not succeeded in that aim isn’t because Moscow has magnanimously declined to carry out an occupation, but because Ukrainian forces have kept Russian troops from advancing through most of the country....

Source Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ssia-ukraine-airstrike-response-b2738787.html

2. Poster's Comment:

Let me again use the "crocodile analogy" in which a ferocious crocodile dragged a man by the leg into a river while his "best" friend stood and watched with folded arms.

Shedding crocodile tears at the sight of the victim's gruesome head in the coffin, his "best" friend delivered the eulogy at the funeral: "Friends, fellow earthlings, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury my dearest friend, not to praise him. He should consider himself as very lucky because the hungry crocodile has made 'pretty big concession' by not eating up the whole of him, otherwise he would be left with nothing for me to bury." 😭

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petros

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1. President Donald Trump on Thursday said Russia’s failure to forcibly seize and occupy the entirety of Ukraine’s territory amounts to a “pretty big concession” to Kyiv...

Speaking in the Oval Office during a bilateral meeting with Norwegian prime minister Jonas Gahr Støre, Trump insisted to reporters that he is putting pressure on Russian president Vladimir Putin behind the scenes as reporters asked him what he would ask the Russian leader to give up to match the massive territorial concessions he has asked Ukraine to make as a way to find an end to Europe’s bloodiest conflict since the end of the Second World War.

Trump replied: “Stopping the war, stopping [from] taking the whole country.”

He added that not seizing all of Ukraine’s sovereign land — the goal Putin had laid out when he launched the war in February 2022 and which was foiled by Ukraine’s military resistance — was a “pretty big concession” in his view.

Trump’s bizarre and nonsensical comment glossed over the fact that Putin had always wanted to occupy and control Ukraine’s land and erase it from the map as an independent nation, thereby reassembling a large portion of the former Soviet Union and Russian empire. The reason Russia has not succeeded in that aim isn’t because Moscow has magnanimously declined to carry out an occupation, but because Ukrainian forces have kept Russian troops from advancing through most of the country....

Source Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ssia-ukraine-airstrike-response-b2738787.html

2. Poster's Comment:

Let me again use the "crocodile analogy" in which a ferocious crocodile dragged a man by the leg into a river while his "best" friend stood and watched with folded arms.

Shedding crocodile tears at the sight of the victim's gruesome head in the coffin, his "best" friend delivered the eulogy at the funeral: "Friends, fellow earthlings, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury my dearest friend, not to praise him. He should consider himself as very lucky because the hungry crocodile has made 'pretty big concession' by not eating up the whole of him, otherwise he would be left with nothing for me to bury." 😭

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What makes you believe it's Trump’s decision?
 

reedak

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What makes you believe it's Trump’s decision?
My dear friend, if you don't believe it's Sir Trump's (because he likes others to call him Sir) decision, please believe his words (or rather, his lies).

READ HIS LIPS! :D

P.S. Don't you believe that it's also his decision to annex Canada, just as Putin trying to annex Ukraine?
 
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bob the dog

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It's unclear to me how many Russians are in support of Putin and hoping I don't fall from a clock tower window for saying so. For the guy on the street trying to feed his family, what benefit is in it for him other than to lose his children as they give their lives for their so called country.

What and who will be next is a big question. Why will never get a proper answer imo.
 

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It's unclear to me how many Russians are in support of Putin and hoping I don't fall from a clock tower window for saying so. For the guy on the street trying to feed his family, what benefit is in it for him other than to lose his children as they give their lives for their so called country.

What and who will be next is a big question. Why will never get a proper answer imo.
Who cares what the Russian people think? Certainly not Putin, nor Zelensky, nor Trump.
 
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Ron in Regina

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After months of speculation about what, specifically, the White House had in mind to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, the broad strokes of the administration’s plan came into focus this week. For those eager to assess the proposal, that was the good news.

The bad news is that the plan is a one-sided absurdity. If Donald Trump’s approach were implemented, Russia would get to keep the Ukrainian land it has seized by force — an extraordinary reward for launching an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor — while Ukraine would be prohibited from joining NATO, further cementing one of Moscow’s principal goals.

That’ll teach Putin to (not?) attack his neighbours!!! One NATO official, when asked for a reaction to the plan, replied, “Did Putin write this for him?”

A day later, a reporter asked the American president what concessions Russia would have to make as part of the diplomatic process. Trump replied, “Stopping the war. Stopping taking the whole country. Pretty big concession.”
 
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petros

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After months of speculation about what, specifically, the White House had in mind to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, the broad strokes of the administration’s plan came into focus this week. For those eager to assess the proposal, that was the good news.

The bad news is that the plan is a one-sided absurdity. If Donald Trump’s approach were implemented, Russia would get to keep the Ukrainian land it has seized by force — an extraordinary reward for launching an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor — while Ukraine would be prohibited from joining NATO, further cementing one of Moscow’s principal goals.

That’ll teach Putin to (not?) attack his neighbours!!! One NATO official, when asked for a reaction to the plan, replied, “Did Putin write this for him?”

A day later, a reporter asked the American president what concessions Russia would have to make as part of the diplomatic process. Trump replied, “Stopping the war. Stopping taking the whole country. Pretty big concession.”
You're a day late. Things changed again.
 

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North Korea confirms dispatch of troops to Russia to support its war against Ukraine
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Published Apr 27, 2025 • < 1 minute read

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea has confirmed for the first time that it has dispatched troops to Russia to support its war against Ukraine.


U.S., South Korean and Ukraine intelligence officials have said North Korea last fall sent about 10,000-12,000 troops to Russia. But North Korea hadn’t until Monday confirmed its troops’ movements.

North Korea’s state-run Korean Central News Agency said leader Kim Jong Un decided to send combat troops to Russia under a mutual defence treaty.

It cited Kim as saying that the troops’ deployment was meant to “annihilate and wipe out the Ukrainian neo-Nazi occupiers and liberate the Kursk area in cooperation with the Russian armed forces.”
 

petros

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North Korea confirms dispatch of troops to Russia to support its war against Ukraine
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Published Apr 27, 2025 • < 1 minute read

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea has confirmed for the first time that it has dispatched troops to Russia to support its war against Ukraine.


U.S., South Korean and Ukraine intelligence officials have said North Korea last fall sent about 10,000-12,000 troops to Russia. But North Korea hadn’t until Monday confirmed its troops’ movements.

North Korea’s state-run Korean Central News Agency said leader Kim Jong Un decided to send combat troops to Russia under a mutual defence treaty.

It cited Kim as saying that the troops’ deployment was meant to “annihilate and wipe out the Ukrainian neo-Nazi occupiers and liberate the Kursk area in cooperation with the Russian armed forces.”
World War 3.