Religion Makes People Helpful And Generous

[talloola]

It has 'more' than an aspect of truth. The lack of appreciation for 'everyone' is alive and well in our world each and every day, as the religions hack and trash at each other, and
at those, like myself, who don't want anything to do with them.
The religions must take their place in the 'miserys' of history right alongside 'others'.
judgemental, judgemental, judgemental, etc etc.
Not being religious 'makes' people helpful and generous.
People are people, and will make their choices as they see fit, and being religious, or not,
has nothing to do with anything, unless, of course, people donating, in the church, are
doing so, to be admired and envied by others, which is the case, often.

 

[Scott Free]

okay

but the bible kinsfolk Good from the atheist any way .

then look to this in germany

This is a case of perceptive distortion and pareidolia:

"The term pareidolia (pronounced /pæraɪˈdoʊliə/) describes a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon, and hearing hidden messages on records played in reverse. The word comes from the Greek para- —"beside", "with" or "alongside"- meaning, in this context, something faulty or wrong (as in paraphasia, disordered speech)—and eidolon—"image" (the diminutive of eidos—"image", "form", "shape"). Pareidolia is a type of apophenia." Wiki

Your photo is one example used on the wiki page (look to the bottom).

Here are some more examples of pareidolia:

I don't think any of these are anymore miraculous than your tree.

People are pattern seekers and we can derive meaning in almost anything where non is intended.

Once again these aren't examples of miracles because it isn't less of a miracle that they are natural, that is, a random occurrence of a pattern.

 

[Scott Free]

Whatever God does of miracles and signs of His might and grace, the disbeliever and atheist will deny all that. ​

This isn't true. If you showed me something undeniably from god, that is, that could not be explained better as a product of the natural world or psychology, I wouldn't deny it.

I'm not out to deny god I simply maintain there is no god. I'm not spreading lies. I'm doing the opposite.

What kind of a fool would claim there is no god in the face of god?!! Certainly not me. God is a miserable S.O.B. according to all the holy works and not someone to trifle with. He would probably do something nasty and miserable to me if he were real; I'm lucky he isn't in that case

To that end I am, myself, proof god isn't real, because here I am and I call him names all the time. ;-)

One day I will die but it will have sweet piss all to do with god. He had his chance to prove himself to me and failed.
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[Scott Free]

any way ,

we don't believe for this signs ,

we believe in quran

but this just for reminding

You must have a reason to believe. Only a fool believes without reason.

Most people believe because they were raised in the religion.

This means they would be whatever religion their parents were. They don't have a better reason than that!!!

Which means they don't really believe.

You can only say you believe if you have a good reason to say it.

What would you say if god asked you for what proof you believed in him? If you couldn't produce such proof then it would mean you didn't really believe in him at all. You would have wasted your whole life then.

 

[L Gilbert]

My point is simply that believing in something with a complete lack of evidence is foolish. Might as well believe Rumpelstiltskin or the Easter Bunny is real. "I believe just cuz". lmao

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

This isn't true. If you showed me something undeniably from god, that is, that could not be explained better as a product of the natural world or psychology, I wouldn't deny it.​

I'm not out to deny god I simply maintain there is no god. I'm not spreading lies. I'm doing the opposite.​

What kind of a fool would claim there is no god in the face of god?!! Certainly not me. God is a miserable S.O.B. according to all the holy works and not someone to trifle with. He would probably do something nasty and miserable to me if he were real; I'm lucky he isn't in that case ​

To that end I am, myself, proof god isn't real, because here I am and I call him names all the time. ;-)​

One day I will die but it will have sweet piss all to do with god. He had his chance to prove himself to me and failed.​

if the human dead ,

the god start reckoning him ,

the god benignant , the god healing the human how say the god have son ,

or the people do not believe in god ,

the god he say before create adam ,

he will making in control vice on earth ,,

but the god castigate be in severity on the polytheist

and the god do not for pardon him after death to polytheist

even death ,

the polytheist want crying for he death but he can not death ,

 

[Scott Free]

if the human dead ,

the god start reckoning him ,

the god benignant , the god healing the human how say the god have son ,

or the people do not believe in god ,

the god he say before create adam ,

he will making in control vice on earth ,,

but the god castigate be in severity on the polytheist

and the god do not for pardon him after death to polytheist

even death ,

the polytheist want crying for he death but he can not death ,

What proof do you have of this? How many polytheists have you met that returned from the dead with this explanation?

I realize, that most likely, you have read this in the Qur'an but without corroborating evidence that isn't actual proof of anything.

If you keep getting surprising and amazing facts from just one source then believing it, without confirmation, is pure folly.

Think about how many people have started religions and found believers? Think about all the millions upon millions who have believed in different deities during antiquity. They were not fools but misguided and illogical thinkers. It couldn't be helped. It was the best they could do given the tools they had. Today there is no such excuse; today it's just down right embarrassing.

What I am saying is you need to diversify your sources with corroborating evidence. If things you read seem fantastic they probably are.

 

[eanassir]

What proof do you have of this? How many polytheists have you met that returned from the dead with this explanation?

I realize, that most likely, you have read this in the Qur'an but without corroborating evidence that isn't actual proof of anything.

If you keep getting surprising and amazing facts from just one source then believing it, without confirmation, is pure folly.

Think about how many people have started religions and found believers? Think about all the millions upon millions who have believed in different deities during antiquity. They were not fools but misguided and illogical thinkers. It couldn't be helped. It was the best they could do given the tools they had. Today there is no such excuse; today it's just down right embarrassing.

What I am saying is you need to diversify your sources with corroborating evidence. If things you read seem fantastic they probably are.

Being so scientific and logical, how can you assert with such claimed confidence that there is no God neither is there any spiritual life following death!?

And being so sincere and loyal to people when you advise them to be atheists like you, will you avert their punishment or bear their burden if there is such accounting and judgment !?

eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com​

 

[eanassir]

My point is simply that believing in something with a complete lack of evidence is foolish. Might as well believe Rumpelstiltskin or the Easter Bunny is real. "I believe just cuz". lmao

This is against the atheist; how can you keep up on your atheism with a complete lack of evidence; the foolishness is to deny the Creator of the creation and that there is another life, and to disregard the accounting and the judgment of the afterlife.

This will be like a student who says there will be no examination, and will disregard such an occurrence until he will certainly fail.

 

[Scott Free]

Being so scientific and logical, how can you assert with such claimed confidence that there is no God neither is there any spiritual life following death!?

In all probability there is no god. There certainly isn't a Christian or Muslim god because all the tales, the teachings, etc, can be demonstrated to be the product of the human mind. In non of those works can any shred of the divine be found, that is to say, anything that wasn't already known or invented by the society of man.

And being so sincere and loyal to people when you advise them to be atheists like you, will you avert their punishment or bear their burden if there is such accounting and judgment !?

If people abandon their senseless belief there would be less for them to be punished over. Right now the world is made to suffer because of your belief and your neighbours belief.

So yes, I can guarantee, the world would suffer less if people abandoned irrational belief for the rational. If they stepped away from their claims of nearness to god, abandoned deity promised claims to land, abandoned irrational dictates of behaviour, delusions of manifest destiny etc, the world would be a much, much, better place.

As for promises after you die: why would you be any worse off than you were before you were born? Did you feel discomfort then?

 

[eanassir]

This isn't true. If you showed me something undeniably from god, that is, that could not be explained better as a product of the natural world or psychology, I wouldn't deny it.​

I'm not out to deny god I simply maintain there is no god. I'm not spreading lies. I'm doing the opposite.
What kind of a fool would claim there is no god in the face of god?!! Certainly not me.​

This has reminded me of the people of Prophet Shu'aib; they had a large tree, dry and died since tens of years or so; they denied their prophet and mocked him and said to him: "Revive to us this dead tree trunk which is dead since long time ago, and then we shall believe in you."
He said: "Will you truly believe, if God revives to you this dead tree?" They said: "Yes."
So he supplicated God to revive that tree, and started to dig the ground around the dead tree and make a trench around it, and to water it, until it was revived."
And even then they said to him: "But you watered it until it was revived."
He said: "You were disperate of it; because it was dead since long time ago."
Afterwards, they refused to believe and insisted on their denial which brought about their complete extermination by the earthquake.​

To that end I am, myself, proof god isn't real, because here I am and I call him names all the time.​

This is between you and Him; it may be that He will guide you, or He is drawing you gradually to His entrappment. As in the Quran 7: 182​

وَالَّذِينَ كَذَّبُواْ بِآيَاتِنَا سَنَسْتَدْرِجُهُم مِّنْ حَيْثُ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation:
(Those who cry lies to Our signs, We will gradually cause their destruction, from whence they are not aware.)​

One day I will die but it will have sweet piss all to do with god. He had his chance to prove himself to me and failed.​

And in case there is afterlife and there is the fire Hell, what shall you do? And what an evil fate will you have? that is when you will realize that you have become an ethereal soul, and it is only your body that will decay, what a disappointment you will have?​

 

[eanassir]

In all probability there is no god.

What is such assertion. On the contrary there should be the Creator who is the reason for all the universe.

 

[Scott Free]

This has reminded me of the people of Prophet Shu'aib; they had a large tree, dry and died since tens of years or so; they denied their prophet and mocked him and said to him: "Revive to us this dead tree trunk which is dead since long time ago, and then we shall believe in you."
He said: "Will you truly believe, if God revives to you this dead tree?" They said: "Yes."
So he supplicated God to revive that tree, and started to dig the ground around the dead tree and make a trench around it, and to water it, until it was revived."
And even then they said to him: "But you watered it until it was revived."
He said: "You were disperate of it; because it was dead since long time ago."
Afterwards, they refused to believe and insisted on their denial which brought about their complete extermination by the earthquake.​

Silly fables are no basis for belief and don't impart anything but ignorance and superstition. Try reading Grimm's Fairy Tales too, I'm sure you could base your life around it also :roll:
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This is between you and Him; it may be that He will guide you, or He is drawing you gradually to His entrappment. As in the Quran 7: 182​

وَالَّذِينَ كَذَّبُواْ بِآيَاتِنَا سَنَسْتَدْرِجُهُم مِّنْ حَيْثُ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation:
(Those who cry lies to Our signs, We will gradually cause their destruction, from whence they are not aware.) ​

There you go again. He is god, you say, because he says he is god. That is a fallacy and proof of nothing except your own gullibility.

I am not destroyed - have you noticed? I piss on your Muhammad and your Qu'ran and yet I still live!?! How could that be unless Muhammad is a lier and impostor?

Why has your god turned his back on the Middle East and has let Christians continually destroy Muhammad's home lands? I'll tell you why - he isn't from god - that's why. He was a madman, a lier, charlatan, murdering paedophile and an impostor. I'm not making that up; the truth is plain for anyone with sight to see: to any who would look at his work, his life and the nightmare he has brought on the middle east. Sorry, but that's just the fact.

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And in case there is afterlife and there is the fire Hell, what shall you do? And what an evil fate will you have? that is when you will realize that you have become an ethereal soul, and it is only your body that will decay, what a disappointment you will have?​

I live in a hell thanks to religious zealots that have kept the world in perpetual state of war since time immemorial; as they battle over what current sky god is the master of them all.

What hell could compare to the 1 million Iraqi women and children killed in the latest crusade? All that blood and all that pain is solely the product of Jesus and Muhammad. They don't bring happiness!!! They bring bloodshed and misery!!! They have had thousands of years for their "teachings" to bring change about yet still, all we are left with, is bodies to bury by their hand.

What kind of idiot can't see that!
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[eanassir]

Silly fables ...

This is the mess and confusion of thinking; for these parables in the Quran are true stories mentioned and repeated many times in the Quran [after being cited in the Torah before]. Such parables intend to remind man of certain facts about God and the same message of all the apostle; and the Quran is dynamic, alive and applicable in various periods of time. And Mohammed was like the rest of the apostles in inviting people to God alone, and he was against the idolatry.

As in the Quran 46: 9-10

قُلْ مَا كُنتُ بِدْعًا مِّنْ الرُّسُلِ وَمَا أَدْرِي مَا يُفْعَلُ بِي وَلَا بِكُمْ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَى إِلَيَّ وَمَا أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ .قُلْ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِن كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ وَكَفَرْتُم بِهِ وَشَهِدَ شَاهِدٌ مِّن بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَلَى مِثْلِهِ فَآمَنَ وَاسْتَكْبَرْتُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "I am not the first innovation of the messengers;
even I know not what shall be done with me or with you [in the future];
I only am following that which is revealed to me [from my Lord];
I am only an obvious warner."​

Say [O Mohammed, to them]: "Tell me your opinion: If the [Quran] be from God, and you unbelieve in it [: what will your fate be in the Hereafter, before God?]

Moreover, a witness [: Abdullah, the son of Salam] out of the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity [with the Law of Moses];
so [the witness] has believed, whereas you have become arrogant [because you are wrong-doers];
surely, God guides not the wrong-doing people."

I am not destroyed - have you noticed? I ???? on your Muhammad and your Qu'ran and yet I still live!?! How could that be unless Muhammad is a lier and impostor?

I am certain about the atheists and their ways: when man starts to dispute with them, they will revile God, His prophets and His Books.
Therefore, I have the right not to answer such atheists; as God – be glorified – said in the Quran 6: 108

وَلاَ تَسُبُّواْ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ فَيَسُبُّواْ اللّهَ عَدْوًا بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ كَذَلِكَ زَيَّنَّا لِكُلِّ أُمَّةٍ عَمَلَهُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَى رَبِّهِم مَّرْجِعُهُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ​

The explanation:

([O believers] revile not the [idolaters] who pray those other than God, lest they hasten to revile God with their ignorance;
thus We make the [righteous] work of each people seem fair to them,
then they [after death] will return to their Lord, Who will tell them about all that they did [and reward them accordingly.] )​

 

[eanassir]

Why has your god turned his back on the Middle East and has let Christians continually destroy Muhammad's home lands?

God has brought the Christians and Jews against the Muslims, and given them power over the Muslims; just as had He brought Nabuchodonosor against the Israelites in the past.

That is because the Israelites associated with God some idols: like the Baalim and Astaroth and the stars of the sky, and worshipped every stone and tree and defiled the earth with their filth the association with God), and committed adultery with other idols: it means they associated other gods with God Almighty. (Because the association with God is some way of betraying Him: like how the adulterous woman betrays her husband.)

They Worshiped the Idols
Israel Is Divorced ​

Now, Muslims have been given the Quran of God as a trust in deputy, and their covenant with God to testify that no go but God alone, but in spite of that they associated their imams and shaikhs with God: by the way of glorifying their graves and shrines and have associated these righteous men with God; that is because they are wrong-doers: wronging each other and committing every disobedience, in spite of the Glorious Quran that they have been given.

In addition, many of their sons have become atheists and followed the materialistic philosophies and parties; therefore, God has become wrathful to them, and set their enemies against them to kill their sons and plunder their wealth.

But this only is a temporary situation; and for the next 700 years the glory of Muslims and the Arab will return to them, when they return to God alone and leave their myths, superstitions and false traditions, and leave their enthusiasm and association with God Who will cause the decline of the power of their enemies and the emergence of their role to carry the monotheism in its pure form and spread justice everywhere; and the trick of Satan and his followers will be frustrated: that the disbelievers and atheists try to corrupt women in the name of women rights, and occupy the countries in the name of human rights.

I'll tell you why - he isn't from god - that's why.
He was a madman, a lier, charlatan, murdering paedophile and an impostor. look at his work, his life and the nightmare he has brought on the middle east.

These are only some lies with which you trick yourself, to convince yourself that you are good and did well in contradicting God and His apostle.

I live in a hell thanks to religious zealots that have kept the world in perpetual state of war since time immemorial; as they battle over what current sky god is the master of them all.

The true religion of God does not cause war on peaceful people; and the World Peace will be a reality after the coming of the Mahdi the Paraclete or Elijah of the Last Days.)
The disbelievers and cunning tyrants stirred wars against God and His religion, and let people be the fuel of it.
Neither Mohammed, nor Jesus, nor Moses even ordered people to fight the peaceful people unless they began the hostility against them.

What hell could compare to the 1 million Iraqi women and children killed in the latest crusade? All that blood and all that pain is solely the product of Jesus and Muhammad. They don't bring happiness!!! They bring bloodshed and misery!!! They have had thousands of years for their "teachings" to bring change about yet still, all we are left with, is bodies to bury by their hand.

I have just answered this; neither Moses nor Jesus nor Mohammed had any role in all that​

 

[Scott Free]

What a load of sh*t.

You can rationalize anything easnassir but you can't prove anything.

You remind me of a puppy chasing its tail.

Your god is a fraud and you can't prove otherwise. End of story.

The true religion of God does not cause war on peaceful people; and the World Peace will be a reality after the coming of the Mahdi the Paraclete or Elijah of the Last Days.)

You mean once you've hung all the Christians?

 

[eanassir]

What a load of sh*t.

You can rationalize anything easnassir but you can't prove anything.

You remind me of a puppy chasing its tail.

Your god is a fraud and you can't prove otherwise. End of story.



You mean once you've hung all the Christians?

I shall not anymore reply to you; your words are sufficient for you.
And why do you want to stir Christians against me; and you cannot; because here we understand each other and they are our neighobors and friends.
Moreover, you are neither a Christian nor yet a Jew; so what is this dirty role of you!
These were some acts of political parties who haven't any relation to Jesus or Mohammed.

 

[Scott Free]

I shall not anymore reply to you; your words are sufficient for you.

That's a forfeit and a fail then. You cannot prove your god. Your words fail. You have no argument. Your god is imaginary and false. You have proved it.

And why do you want to stir Christians against me; and you cannot; because here we understand each other and they are our neighobors and friends.

Um... news flash... Christians and Muslims aren't exactly getting along nor have they ever!! WTF is wrong with you? Iran just hung a Christian and is about to hang more!!! You call that getting along? The USA is bombing the sh*t out of Iraq and has captured it. You call that getting along? You think I started that!?!?!

Seriously buddy, get a grip on reality.

Moreover, you are neither a Christian nor yet a Jew; so what is this dirty role of you!

I am a person who has caught onto the filthy game called religion and am tired of the pain and horror it causes just because a few @$$holes want to boss everybody around. I will call you out anytime anywhere.

These were some acts of political parties who haven't any relation to Jesus or Mohammed.

Oh BS!!!!! Religion and its claim of authority by right of an imaginary sky god is what lets filth like them gain power - that and fools like you that buy into it.