New UFO witness reopens 1974 mystery of the "British Roswell."

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In 1974, a mysterious event occurred which has been dubbed "Britain's Roswell."

UFO enthusiasts believe a UFO crashed in the Berwyn Mountains in Denbighshire and the bodies of the occupants taken to a military base in Wiltshire.

In January 1974, an earthquake measuring 3.5 on the Richter Scale shook the area then, soon after, mysterious glows were seen in the sky.

Now, a new witness reopens this mysterious case, and a documentary on it is to be shown on Channel 5 tonight....


New UFO witness reopens 1970s mystery of the 'Welsh Roswell'

01st July 2008

Daily Mail


The Berwyn Mountains in Denbighshire, the site of an incident later dubbed "Britain's Roswell".



One of Britain's greatest UFO riddles refuses to go away as a new witness emerged today - 34 years after the alleged 'close encounter'.

The Government is said to have covered up 1974's event in North Wales, where scores of residents reported a massive tremor, strange lights in the sky and secret-service-style 'men in black' scouring the area.

It has been dubbed the 'Welsh Roswell' after the famous U.S. case in which aliens were allegedly found by authorities in New Mexico.

UFO believers claimed aliens crash-landed in the Berwyn mountain range and their bodies were transported by the MoD to top-secret Wiltshire research base Porton Down.



A scene from Channel Five documentary Britain's Closest Encounters reveals a flying saucer hovered for 10 minutes above the Berwyn Mountains in Denbighshire in 1974 before disappearing


No new details of the alleged incident emerged in May when hundreds of MoD documents about UFO sightings were released.

But now, fresh claims by retired gamekeeper Geraint Edwards, of Llandderfel, Denbighshire, have reopened the debate.

He told the makers of a new Channel Five documentary - being broadcast tonight - that a flying saucer hovered for 10 minutes above the mountains on February 15 1974 before it disappeared into space at impossible speed.

He said: 'It was definitely a flying saucer. It was a pity I didn't have a camera because it was there for at least 10 minutes, just hovering.

'We were on the way down to play darts when something caught our eye in the south-east, so we stopped.

'It looked like a rugger ball, but the ends of it were more pointy. When it took off, it just went like lightning on the same line as it hovered.

'I wrote it down in my diary. It was 6.45pm on the Friday night.

'If we were coming back from the pub, people would be saying, "They've had one or two." But we were going TO the pub.'

Three weeks before, on January 23, 1974, the villages of Llandrillo and Llandderfel, near Corwen, were rocked by a tremor measuring 3.5 on the Richter scale.

Reports of coloured lights and objects in the sky immediately afterwards, and unusual military activity in the following weeks, fuelled speculation that a UFO had crash-landed.

Sceptics maintain the explanation was an earthquake and a coincidental meteor shower.

The 'men in black' are explained as being seismologists researching the quake.

They also insist that a bright, twinkling moon-sized 'orb' seen by Mr Edwards's former neighbour Pat Evans was just a lamp carried by poachers on a nearby mountainside.

But one of the poachers has now told the Five documentary they had finished for the night by that time and their lights were switched off.

Farmer Huw Lloyd, 48, who was a teenager at the time, said: 'Whatever it was, it was kept quiet. I think there are things we should know about. And things that have happened have been covered up.'

Firefighter Adrian Roberts, who was thrown from his settee by the tremor in January 1974, told the programme makers: 'What are they hiding? There was a lot of military action in the area. Areas were secluded off from the public. It was about three months before anyone was allowed to go near the site.

'What people have seen and reported simply could not be made up.'

Retired North Wales Police Assistant Chief Constable Elfed Roberts, who was a sergeant at the time of the UFO incident, was rushing to Llandrillo moments after the tremor with his superior when they saw the mysterious lights.

He said: 'As we were driving, all of a sudden we saw this green light in the sky ahead of us and it seemed to be an arcing light, but it was very sudden, totally unexpected, different to anything ever seen before.'

• Britain's Closest Encounters is on Channel Five tonight at 8pm.

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UFO Reports 1997 -2007 in the UK

UFO Reports 1997-2007 in the UK, showing dates and times, location and a brief description of sighting.


FOI Publication Scheme Document Details


Author: DAS
Owner: Ministry of Defence
Date document created: 16 Feb 06
Date released proactively: 16 Feb 06
Date last updated: 12 Feb 08
Class of Information: Unidentified Flying Objects
Freedom of Information Organisation area: Directorate of Air Staff


http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D.../MinistryOfDefenceReleasesFurtherUfoFiles.htm

Ministry of Defence releases further UFO files

A Defence Policy and Business news article

14 May 08

The first in a series of Ministry of Defence UFO files, dating back to the 1970s, have been released on The National Archives' website today, Wednesday 14 May 2008.


Drawing from UFO sighting submitted by a UK resident
[Picture: via MOD]

The files include descriptions of alleged Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon or "UFO" sightings and subsequent MOD evaluations of the reports.
The MOD receives a large number of requests each year for information relating to UFOs, and so has introduced a system to meet this demand by releasing these historic files in a structured way.

The released files can be seen on The National Archives' website, see Related Links >>> The files will be available to download free for the first month, after which The National Archives will charge for them.
The rest of the files are currently under review and will be added to The National Archives over the next three years.

To date, independent experts have concluded that there are straightforward explanations behind alleged UFO reports, such as aircraft lights or natural phenomena.



Drawings from UFO sightings submitted by UK residents
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Reports of UFOs are examined by the Ministry of Defence solely to establish whether UK airspace may have been compromised by hostile or unauthorised military activity.
If required, sighting reports are examined with the assistance of the Department's air defence experts. Unless there is evidence of a potential threat, no further work is undertaken to identify the nature of each sighting reported.
The Ministry of Defence has no other interest or role regarding UFO matters and does not consider questions regarding the existence or otherwise of extraterrestrial life-forms.
The MOD now routinely releases information on reported UFO sightings. This information can be found on the MOD website, through our Freedom Of Information Publication Scheme.
 

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Newly released UFO files

The files contain a wide range of UFO-related documents covering the years 1978–2002. So if you want to find out more about lights in the sky over Waterloo Bridge, near misses by pilots, crop circles - and what the UK government thought of it all - this is the place to start. The files are in PDF format.
DEFE 31/172 - UFO incidents (14.6 Mb)
DEFE 31/173 - UFO incidents (45.7 Mb)
DEFE 31/174 - UFO incidents (22.6 Mb)
DEFE 31/175 - UFO incidents (15.3 Mb)
DEFE 24/1922 - UFO reports (13.8 Mb)
DEFE 24/1923 - UFO reports (32.7 Mb)
DEFE 24/1924 - UFO reports (43.2 Mb)
DEFE 24/1925 - UFO reports (51.7 Mb)
 

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UFO sighting in Brixham in 1967


Request for information regarding a UFO sighting at Brixham, Devon in 1967 (Ref: 15-05-2008-071609-001)

Disclosure Date: 3 Jun 08



UFO sightings near Ruabon Mountain in 1974


Request for details of UFO sightings near Ruabon Mountain 1974 (Ref: 11-04-2008-073909-007)

Disclosure Date: 7 May 08



UFOs Over Grimsby in Dec 1997


Request for information regarding UFOs over Grimsby in Dec 1997 (ref: 06-05-2008-070538-001)

Disclosure Date: 6 May 08
 

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The truth is out there: National Archives lifts lid on UFO files

· 'X-Files' go public after flood of FOI requests
· Ministerial briefings and witness reports included

· Science blog: Explore the X-files yourself
A UFO seen from the shuttle Atlantis in 2006. Photograph: Nasa/Getty Images

There was the man on a fishing trip who was shown around a flying saucer by aliens in green overalls; another who befriended an extraterrestrial called Algar and wanted to introduce him to the government; and the astonished air traffic controller who watched a UFO land on his airport's runway, then disappear.
Inevitably, the Ministry of Defence papers, released to the public for the first time, will be known as Britain's X-Files. Over the next three or four years, 160 files will be handed over to the National Archives. Covering 1978 to 1987, the first group of eight files, one of which is more than 450 pages long, is available via its website today.
Some of the incidents are truly bizarre, but although some UFO sightings remain unexplained there is no evidence in the files for alien contact. "There simply is no saucer-in-a-hangar smoking gun," said Nick Pope, a former civil servant who worked at the MoD for 21 years, spending three years on its UFO desk.
The MoD has decided to release the files because of the deluge of requests it has received from UFO buffs and conspiracy theorists under the Freedom of Information Act. "They are sinking in a sea of FOI requests on UFOs," said Pope. "The administrative burden in dealing with them on a case by case basis is horrendous."


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James Randerson on the supposed UFO sitings recorded in government archives
The National Archives is expecting huge interest in the release. "This is a subject that interests a vast number of people, believers, sceptics and agnostics. My understanding is that this is possibly the largest launch event they have done since the census," said Pope.
A similar release of UFO files by France's national space agency last year attracted more than 220,000 users on its first day, causing it to crash. To avoid such problems, the National Archives is using an external hosting company which can add extra capacity as needed to handle the web traffic.
The files consist of a variety of documents, including numerous individual sightings, accounts of investigations and briefings prepared by MoD staff for ministers on the subject. "There are a lot of conspiracy theories that have grown up about the military interest in UFOs. What we are getting to see in these papers are the actual facts," said Dr David Clarke, a lecturer in journalism at Sheffield Hallam University, in a podcast prepared for the National Archives on the release.
"The vast majority of them are just ordinary people who have seen something unusual and thought that they ought to tell someone about it." In the great majority of cases, the MOD did very little if anything to follow them up.
At the more colourful end of the spectrum is a letter dated January 1985 from someone who claimed to have been in contact with aliens since he was seven. He said he had visited alien bases in Wirral and Cheshire and had observed a UFO being shot down next to Wallasey town hall. "As I was watching, the front end of the UFO hit the water, then the whole UFO disappeared leaving the water to splash, as if done by an invisible entity." He later tried to arrange a meeting between an alien called Algar and the British government, but said Algar had been killed by other aliens before the meeting could take place.
Other reports are more credible. At quarter past midnight on Christmas Day 1985, three police officers in Woking were surprised by a white light descending on the Horsell area. The officers were worried their report would not be taken seriously, because Horsell Common features in HG Wells's War of the Worlds as the place where the first Martians land. The account reads: "Genuine report. Two competent officers slightly embarrassed."
In another credible sighting, from September 5 1986, a civil pilot described a UFO that shot past his aircraft 1.5 nautical miles to its left. He speculated about whether it might have been a meteorite or a missile and then wrote: "If it's a missile, myself and my crew are not impressed."
The files include a damning verdict on the so-called Rendlesham Forest incident, an apparent UFO contact near an RAF base in Suffolk in 1980 which is often referred to as "Britain's Roswell", a reference to a famous UFO incident in the US.
In a briefing document, an MoD official wrote: "We believe the fact that Colonel Holt [the RAF base commander] did not report these occurrences to the MoD for almost two weeks after the event, together with the low-key manner in which he handled the matter, are indicative of the degree of importance in defence terms that should be attached to the incident."
Clarke said releasing the files was a good move. "The very fact that these documents are being released shows that there isn't a cover-up. It's a good move on the part of the Ministry of Defence to demonstrate what they know, which doesn't amount to much, on this subject," he said.
But Pope said that conspiracy theorists are unlikely to be satisfied. "If that's what people believe, absolutely nothing will dissuade them," he said. "If 100% of the UFO material from every nation on Earth was disclosed and there were no aliens, those that believe there are aliens would cry foul."
Close encounters

· Early on August 12 1983, a 77-year-old Aldershot man who was out fishing said he was contacted by the inhabitants of a flying saucer. Four feet high and wearing pale green overalls with helmets and black visors, they gave him a tour of their craft and told him: "You can go. You are too old and too infirm for our purpose."
· On August 5 1985, crop circles appeared in a wheatfield near Andover. An officer in the Army Air Corps investigated and reported his findings to the MoD. The officer said there were no tracks in the wheat: "To have set the holes in such a precise pattern manually would have required a tape measure or string, and the users would have been bound to leave tracks ... none of us could offer any reasonable explanation."
· On April 26 1984, two police in Edgware, north London, investigated a call from a 29-year-old woman who had seen lights in the sky. They watched the object for an hour with binoculars, describing it as circular with blue lights around the middle. "During that time it moved erratically from side to side, up and down and to and fro, not venturing far from the original position."
 

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Files released on UFO sightings


This is how one person described the UFO they had seen


Secret files on UFO sightings have been made available for the first time by the Ministry of Defence.
The documents, which can be downloaded from the National Archives website, cover the period from 1978 to 1987.
They include accounts of strange lights in the sky and unexplained objects being spotted by the public, armed forces and police officers.
One man explained in great detail his "physical and psychic contact" with green aliens since he was a child.
The writer said that one of them, called Algar, was killed in 1981 by another race of beings as he was about to make contact with the UK government.
The letter's author said he visited their bases in the Wirral and Cheshire, while his wife reported seeing a UFO shot down over Wallasey on Merseyside.
The eight released files are part of almost 200 files set to be made available over the next four years.
These documents will be available to download for free for the first month.
A spokesman for the National Archives said they were now becoming available after several requests made under the Freedom of Information Act, and also because of a "proactive move by the Ministry of Defence for an open and transparent government".
Much of the previously classified paperwork is made up of correspondence from the public sent to government officials, such as the MoD and then-prime minister Margaret Thatcher.
You can go. You are too old and too infirm for our purpose



Reported alien comment to pensioner



In Pictures: The UFO files
Expert examines UFO files

Another document reveals the experiences of a 78-year-old man who alleged that he met an alien beside Basingstoke Canal in Aldershot, Hampshire in 1983.
He said he went on board the craft, giving a detailed explanation of it, before being quizzed by the aliens about his age.
He was then told: "You can go. You are too old and too infirm for our purpose."
'Britain's Roswell'
Another letter, from the director of a group called the Wigan Ariel Phenomena Investigation Team, asks the MoD if it had a code of practice for dealing with an alien invasion.
A further document reveals how, on 21 February 1982, a group of customers and staff at a Tunbridge Wells pub reported an unknown object with green and red flashing lights - seen heading in the direction of Gatwick airport.
There are some reports from more official sources. The United States Air Force filed a report about two USAF policemen who saw "unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge" in Suffolk in December 1980.
Let me assure this House that Her Majesty's government has never been approached by people from outer space



Government briefing to House of Lords


This relates to the well-known incident of an alleged alien encounter at Rendlesham Forest, dubbed "Britain's Roswell" after the supposed contact made with aliens at Roswell in the United States.
Several drawings are visible in the files from those keen to demonstrate what they had seen.
One such sketch was made by Metropolitan Police officers, who were called out to a house in Stanmore in the London Borough of Harrow on 26 April, 1984.
Three officers spent an hour observing the object in the sky, which "moved erratically from side to side, up and down and to and fro, not venturing far from the original position".
One of the Pcs, who saw the object through binoculars, described it as "circular in the middle with what appeared to be a dome on top and underneath" with different coloured lights.
Common explanations
Visitors to the National Archives site will also find a videocast from Nick Pope, a British UFO specialist.
Mr Pope picked out one incident where a UFO was spotted over central London.
A sketch of a UFO, made by a Metropolitan Police officer


"This is a very interesting illustration that, actually, UFOs are seen in built-up areas. People have this idea they're seen in desolate, rural places.
"There's a sighting actually on Waterloo bridge, when a number of witnesses actually stopped to look at this UFO that was seen over the Thames."
Mr Pope said the most common explanation for UFOs were aircraft lights, bright stars and planets, satellites, meteors, or airships.
A detailed briefing is available within the files, which was prepared by the MoD for Lord Strabolgi, then government chief whip, for a debate on UFOs in the House of Lords in January 1979.
The briefing said that "there is nothing to indicate that UFOlogy is anything but claptrap" and that the idea of an "inter-governmental conspiracy of silence" was "the most astonishing and the most flattering claim of all".

Newsnight's report on UFO sightings - and crop circles

The briefing goes on to say: "Let me assure this House that Her Majesty's government has never been approached by people from outer space."
Also available on the website is a podcast from Dr David Clarke, an expert in UFO history, discussing the files.
Dr Clarke, who is a lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University, told the BBC's Radio 4 Today programme that conspiracy theories about aliens are "very difficult to disprove". He said: "I doubt the disclosure of these files will convince those who believe there is an official cover-up. "Inevitably, some have already dismissed this release as a whitewash. For them the 'truth' still remains out there, hidden no doubt in more above top secret files hidden somewhere else."
 

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Nice string post Mr. 121. Can you read the Ctrl, C and V keys on your comp? I suspect you've worn the letters clean off. If you don't want to discuss, why don't you start a repost web site of your own?
 

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Nice string post Mr. 121. Can you read the Ctrl, C and V keys on your comp? I suspect you've worn the letters clean off. If you don't want to discuss, why don't you start a repost web site of your own?

look eh1eh i was just showing the evidence for UFO sitings in Briton OK whats wrong with that evidence for UFOs in britain has just now been disclosed so i thought that they were relevant in this thread whats wrong with you you want personal experiences OK here's one

i was taken up in a space ship when i was 3 i was taken to the outer limits of our known galaxy they injected me with unknown probes and stuff they looked like reptiles i was shown an alien city i had tea with them they flew me back and let me go i now have incredible powers i can control a keyboard it speaks to me and says copy and paste every thing and this will save mankind so i did OK your saved
 

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look eh1eh i was just showing the evidence for UFO sitings in Briton OK whats wrong with that evidence for UFOs in britain has just now been disclosed so i thought that they were relevant in this thread whats wrong with you you want personal experiences OK here's one

i was taken up in a space ship when i was 3 i was taken to the outer limits of our known galaxy they injected me with unknown probes and stuff they looked like reptiles i was shown an alien city i had tea with them they flew me back and let me go i now have incredible powers i can control a keyboard it speaks to me and says copy and paste every thing and this will save mankind so i did OK your saved


Interesting.

That is plausible IMO. I do believe aliens visit this planet. UFOs have visited Canada too. While I have not been party to any visitations they are well documented as anyone with access to google can find.

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