Almost 900,000 Canadian children living in poverty, StatsCan finds

#juan

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Juan,
you wouldn't be feeling a little better with another $2 or $3 or $10 K in the bank? Why does the CEO of Exxon get $21.7M a year and some researcher only get $40K a year even though he's found a compound that inhibits a certain cancer? Why does a sports person get $7M a year and a teacher that raises your kid for a large percentage of the kid's developing years get $40K?

Agree a hundred percent. Corporate heads who pay themselves ten or twenty million a year are criminals as far as I can see. If we limited them to a couple million a year, that extra money could help make the company more efficient and stable...........And the people who are the real backbone of the company could be paid better.
 

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Addendum:
I used to think it's stupid for people to live in a location that has hurricanes and tornadoes ripping through periodically, to live by a river in spite of the fact that the river made decide to turn their house into a raft, live on a hillside even though they are more susceptible to mudslides or something, etc. But then I decided to try limit judging people based on only a few bits of knowledge about them.
 

#juan

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Addendum:
I used to think it's stupid for people to live in a location that has hurricanes and tornadoes ripping through periodically, to live by a river in spite of the fact that the river made decide to turn their house into a raft, live on a hillside even though they are more susceptible to mudslides or something, etc. But then I decided to try limit judging people based on only a few bits of knowledge about them.

New Orleans might be the exception. Most of the place is below sea level and the hundreds of billions they've spent on flood damage for a population of under 500,000 seems unreasonable.
 

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L. Gilbert

Go with your initial impulse to judge. What we've almost made a "religion" out of is our unpreparedness to identify and name stupidity when we see it. The essence of the "bright" is refusing to be bamboozled by rhetoric and double-talk.

Apply that crucible to everything you encounter.
 

#juan

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Most of the Netherlands is below sealevel too, and I bet what they spent on keeping dry and fed was a lot more.

Yeah but...The Netherlands population is close to 17 million. New Orleans could learn a lot from Holland.
 

MikeyDB

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Juan

You mean like....don't sacrifice the welfare of your citizens in a senseless illegal war?

:)
 

L Gilbert

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L. Gilbert

Go with your initial impulse to judge. What we've almost made a "religion" out of is our unpreparedness to identify and name stupidity when we see it. The essence of the "bright" is refusing to be bamboozled by rhetoric and double-talk.

Apply that crucible to everything you encounter.
I do when I can. I prefer to be informed rather than be bamboozled. I have a great deal of respect for science and the scientific method even if I am a layman.

Anyway, poiticians and the media are easily swayed. Science not so much. I believe there is more than one form of poverty and poverty in one country is different from another country. Also, that gov'ts are too big and inefficient and hence cannot deal with matters efficiently or effectively: hungry kids is one of those matters.
It used to be that gov'ts could leap into action within a few hours after a catastrophe, now it is bigger and sometimes takes weeks to get off its butt. Doing something about an internal affair that doesn't immediately have an effect on it can take years, if ever.
 

#juan

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Juan,
you wouldn't be feeling a little better with another $2 or $3 or $10 K in the bank? Why does the CEO of Exxon get $21.7M a year and some researcher only get $40K a year even though he's found a compound that inhibits a certain cancer? Why does a sports person get $7M a year and a teacher that raises your kid for a large percentage of the kid's developing years get $40K?

Just as an aside, The average teacher's salary in British Columbia is $64,497. and qualified scientific researchers are getting $90,000 or more. This doesn't affect your post though........twenty million a year is still obscene. $21,000,000.00 per year works out to about $57,500.00 per day.
 

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If we would like our civilizations to continue then obviously it would be necessary.

and what "civilization" would that be?
It seems to me your making assumptions about my statement then. If you fear the children will be impoverished then welfare needs to be increased. It is more important that people have children then jobs.

You have GOT to be kidding. Where do you propose the money come from for all these new welfare family's?

Nothing is quite as useless as someone who chooses not to have children. It is selfish, conceded and they are quite worthless. The secret and meaning of life is to have children. Without children there is no point in doing anything. People that do not wish to have children should be heavily taxed so that they can contribute to society and help support it's more important members; namely those who do wish to contribute by having children.

Before I tackle this completely asinine comment.....I want to know how many kids YOU have. How much YOU have contributed.
Those people wouldn't be useless if our population weren't declining but since it is they are. Right now useful people have children. If Canada were a bee hive we would sting and get rid of the useless bees so our hive could prosper.

I realize what I'm saying isn't PC but PC isn't reality.

You don't seem to depend on reality a hell of alot.
 

Scott Free

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Okay. Would that be as opposed to yours which is chalk full of stats?

I gave a reason that is verifiable: Canada's birth rate is 1.5 which is bellow the replacement rate of 2.1.

My opinion is high on itself? How's that? You are the one that has said I am worthless in your opinion due to the lack of children. Although you have no stated that you see yourself as worthy since you have a dozen or so.

I don't need stats. There is no need for art, culture, science, literature, museums, operas etc if there is no future, in fact, they wouldn't even exist except there was a future once; so children are needed - children are the future and therefore, since without children there would be no purpose, children are also our purpose - just like any other species.

Now, if in a time of crisis where children are not being produced and the primary reason is poverty then it holds that whatever is causing the poverty should be removed, and quite rightly to the absolute exclusion of any other consideration! Since children are both our future and our purpose. Therefore if you are not producing a child you should be supporting a child. If you are interested in neither then you are a luxury item and one we would be better off without. You should work so a mother or father doesn't need to; so they can concentrate on what is important - their child.

So your insisting that a single parent should work and that their poverty is their fault is an error.
If they need a job then you should give them yours and if they need money you should also give them yours.

The only real value you have to society is to the degree you assist society with its purpose. The more you serve your own purpose, during a birth crises, the less valuable you are to society. If you are completely self absorbed then we would all be better off without you.

Okay Mr Logic.....:roll: show me where I claim superiority to anyone.

Sure: you arrogantly think your as important as a mother when obviously your not. This means you think you have more value to society then you really do which means you think your superior; otherwise you would recognize the mothers superiority.

Tis you you are placing value on one human being over another. No one else.

Yes I am. It is an interesting fallacy that people think everyone is of the same value despite all evidence and reason to the contrary. People are suppose to be of the same value before the law but even that logic breaks down in real court. We pay the notion lip service; hold it to be true, despite the fact it isn't.

Some people are worth far more than others but it is wrong for us to gauge each other that way, however, it is also a mistake for people to think they are more important then they actually are. We can understand this logic when we see the tragedy of a school shooting; the loss to society when one person takes the lives of so many people; we know intrinsically that society has been robbed. How could the shooter think he is so important that he could do such a thing?

So how is it then that a childless person in a BMW can drive by and feel superior to a single mother struggling on welfare to raise a child? Even equal? Clearly that person has too much. They are a drain on society. The mother is of more value.

I want you to qualify your argument. You hold the opinion.....back it.

I just did.

Okay if you see population as in crisis mode I ask again....... would that be WHITE CHRISTIAN society? Or world population?

Are you serious!?! So if chows were going to die out you wouldn't care as long as we still had poodles? I don't want to see any population go extinct; white, black, brown, orange, whatever...

Okay ovaries rule. Or would that be the great white penis? And women are merely breeding mares?

Women can be the most valuable members of society in a population crises. Only a small percentage of men are really needed.

Honey, being left leaning, I may be one of the few who would save your white ass from the lynch mob once women find out what you really think of them.

Why would they want to lynch me? Because I think the most valuable contribution to society they can make is having children? Men can't do that... seems to me that makes my opinion of them pretty damn high.

If a woman would be mad at me about that, then it seems to me, they probably have a self esteem problem.

What possible greater thing could a person do then bring new life into the world?
 
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tracy

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Scott, women are sometimes offended when someone claims that their only value is in their reproductive organs. It doesn't elevate them, it degrades them. We are simply the sum of our parts under that philosophy.

I think your whole argument is silly btw. You say "There is no need for art, culture, science, literature, museums, operas etc if there is no future ". Why exactly? Those things all provide benefits in the present and for the current generation of human beings. Why do you assume it's all for the children? A lot of art, literature, opera, science, etc. will never be used or scene or enjoyed by future generations.
 

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Scott, women are sometimes offended when someone claims that their only value is in their reproductive organs. It doesn't elevate them, it degrades them. We are simply the sum of our parts under that philosophy.

I never claimed it was their only value.

I think your whole argument is silly btw. You say "There is no need for art, culture, science, literature, museums, operas etc if there is no future ". Why exactly? Those things all provide benefits in the present and for the current generation of human beings. Why do you assume it's all for the children? A lot of art, literature, opera, science, etc. will never be used or scene or enjoyed by future generations.

The disposable art your talking about can only exist because it has tradition to call on. Just because it may lack longevity as an object doesn't mean it isn't projected temporally as a mememic concept.

Saying that art and a cultures wisdoms most noble role is to serve you and your generations ego is so neurotically narcissistic I don't know even where to begin... your not a hippie are you? You sure sound like one?
 
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tracy

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Not nearly old enough to be a hippy. I'm also not a puritan. You sound like my now deceased grandfather. Everything was for the future, for the kids, for the grandkids, for the greatgrandkids... he never enjoyed his life though.
 

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Forget the kids we need the billions to bring democracy to Afghanistan not to mention to further big industry interests and profits-----