Bush gets it right

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U.S. knows a nation when it sees one

By ERIC MARGOLIS

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The Bush administration has lurched for so long from one foreign policy disaster to another, we almost have forgotten what it's like to see the United States do the right thing.
But we did last week.
After decades of oppression and struggle, the two million Albanians of the former Yugoslav/Serb province of Kosovo finally achieved their long-sought independence. This was the final welcome act in the death of the abortive state, Yugoslavia.
The U.S. was the first major power to recognize the new Republic of Kosova -- as it should henceforth be called. There were almost as many American flags in the streets of its capital, Prishtina, as Albanian ones. President George W. Bush deserves a hearty salute.
The U.S. had once more rescued the Albanians. In 1918, victorious Serbia was about to annex tiny Albania to gain its deep-water Adriatic ports. U.S. President Woodrow Wilson ordered Serbia back, saving Albania.
After communist demagogue Slobodan Milosevic sought to build a Greater Serbia in the 1990s through ethnic terrorism, Washington forced NATO to halt Serb genocide in Bosnia.
In 1999, while Europe watched impotently, Milosevic's forces killed 13,000 Kosovar Albanians, blew up mosques, gang-raped Muslim women, burned Albanian villages and drove one million Albanian Kosovars into frigid winter fields where they would have died of exposure without outside help. The U.S. saved the Kosovars by launching a short air war on the Serbs.
Outraged Serbs claimed they were victims of an American-German conspiracy. Kosovo was their historical medieval heartland, they insisted. Serbia's very soul. But by 2008, Kosova's population was two million Albanians and only 60,000-80,000 Serbs and gypsies, mostly in the Mitrovica enclave. About 100,000 more Kosovo Serbs had moved to Serbia.
Historical claims are often of questionable value. Kosovo was indeed the heartland of medieval Serbia after Serb tribes invaded the region in the 6th Century AD. But the original inhabitants were Illyrians -- ancestors of today's Albanians.
ETHNIC CLEANSING
Serbs sought to ethnically cleanse Kosovo of Albanians three times: In the 1911-12 Balkan Wars after they seized it from the Ottoman Empire; in 1945; and in the 1990s. This brutal record, and persecution of Albanian Kosovars in the post-Tito era, invalidates any legitimate claims Serbia has to Kosovo.
Wounded pride aside, Serbia is better off without Kosova. History teaches it's often counterproductive to try to retain by force a region that wants out (the U.S. Civil War is a major exception).
Serbs, an intelligent, talented people, became international pariahs after the demagogue Milosevic intoxicated them with Nazi-style bogus historical mythology, primitive nationalism, and anti-Muslim racism. Serbia's future lies in the European Union, not in dubious medieval mythical glories.
America once again saved Albanians from extinction.
By contrast, it was noteworthy that Romania refused to join Britain, France, Germany and Italy in recognizing the new Kosova republic.
That's because Romania also has its own dirty secret. The post-First World War Treaty of Trianon was every bit as evil and immoral as the 1938 Munich Pact. At Trianon, the victorious allies handed over 66% of the Hungarian people to Romania, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. Romania got the lion's share, including Transylvania. Hungarians want freedom from Romania.
DIVIDED PEOPLES
Albanians also were divided between Albania proper, and Yugoslavia's provinces of Kosovo and Macedonia. So Albanians and Hungarians remain Europe's divided peoples.
But there is no hint free Kosova will join neighbouring Albania anytime soon. The Kosovar leadership, under able PM Hasim Tachi, rejects any talk of union; so does Albania's capable prime minister, Dr. Sali Berisha. Kosovars are not eager to merge with impoverished, struggling Albania; they want to be in the EU.
It certainly is a tonic seeing people abroad joyously waving American flags and blessing the U.S. This is what my America used to be about.
I pray that under new presidential leadership, the U.S.A. will resume this honourable tradition as liberator and defender of human rights.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2008/02/24/4872343-sun.php
 

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Just out of curiousity Avro, say the US fall in the next 10 or 20 years, and ends up in some oppressive regime of one kind or another, would you see them as Ole Erik here sees these poor Muslim Albanians?
 

MikeyDB

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Avro

I don't think Bear hates Muslims, rather hates the purposeful infliction of torture pain and murder under the aegis of "belief".

I doubt that Bear hates Catholics either despite decades of pedophilia and child abuse hidden by the Vatican.

I doubt Bear hates Anglicans despite Reservation Schools and a similar proclivity to inhuman treatment of native North Americans as the Catholic Church.

On this point (as strange as it may seem...) Bear and I agree!

Any excuse from any source that's used to legitimize rape murder and genocide is something worthy of our greatest disdain.
 

MikeyDB

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Just to please ITN....maintaining sweatshops in foreign nations while reserving a far better quality of life for the few isn't a strictly "American" practice but just like the French and the British, the preparedness of the wealthy to plunder other nations under the aegis of "profit" is just as reprehensible.
 

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U.S. knows a nation when it sees one

By ERIC MARGOLIS

DIVIDED PEOPLES
pray that under new presidential leadership, the U.S.A. will resume this honourable tradition as liberator and defender of human rights.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2008/02/24/4872343-sun.php

I agree with the U.S. and all other countries who support Kosovo, but George Bush had nothing to do with nato helping them in the nineties. He just happens to be the
person in charge now, so, of course it is he who makes the announcement to support
them.
 

MikeyDB

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Hi Tallola

What's your take on Haiti or "regime-change" under Pinochet or Suharto? Did the United States "free" Iraq or did they prepare the field for occupation by military and petroleum cartels?

Do you count the millions sacrificed by the United States when you tabulate their noble pursuits?
 

talloola

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Hi Tallola

What's your take on Haiti or "regime-change" under Pinochet or Suharto? Did the United States "free" Iraq or did they prepare the field for occupation by military and petroleum cartels?

Do you count the millions sacrificed by the United States when you tabulate their noble pursuits?

The united states did not free iraq, the united states murdured hundreds and thousands
of innocent iraqis, and almost 4 thousand of u.s. military, and many many thousands of
injured and permanately maimed military, which in turn has changed for the worse, thousands of u.s. households.
They should have 'stayed' out of Iraq, they had no business attacking that country.

Don't know much about Haiti, other than it is one of poorest countries on earth, so
I can't comment.
 

CDNBear

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Before I respond should I hate Americans as much as you hate Muslims?
I'ld love to see some proof of this? Or is this just more of your typical rhetoric?

Avro

I don't think Bear hates Muslims, rather hates the purposeful infliction of torture pain and murder under the aegis of "belief".

I doubt that Bear hates Catholics either despite decades of pedophilia and child abuse hidden by the Vatican.

I doubt Bear hates Anglicans despite Reservation Schools and a similar proclivity to inhuman treatment of native North Americans as the Catholic Church.

On this point (as strange as it may seem...) Bear and I agree!

Any excuse from any source that's used to legitimize rape murder and genocide is something worthy of our greatest disdain.
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Ya...what Mikey said!!!

And thanx Mikey.