France riots - Economic, Religious , or just hate cars ?

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You gotta wonder why Joe Canadian why all these problems persist through the centuries.

And perhaps centuries more.

Perhaps all we can do is lower the percentages.
But the percentage of those who fill out the top and bottom will consistently defy your best intentions.
 
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That's no answer.

By the way nano technology and ant colonies teach us a lot about how the individual works in groups.

What appears to us as free, unfettered choices we decide every day is full of psychological and mental limitations, emotions, beliefs about ourselves, beliefs about our world ---- all of which constrain our myth of freedom, way far before the bogeyman of government enters the picture.

And so each reed, each blade of grass is one among many and all follow the amortization tables, the statistical realities that some of us will be on top and some of us will be on the bottom and these percentages defy society's best attempts to ameliorate.
 
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Re: RE: France riots - Economic, Religious , or just hate ca

Answer: Greed and Selfishness is one human trait difference between us and the ants.

jimmoyer said:
That's no answer.
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Yes it is. It's just basic, simple and unfettered. Opens many opportunities to read between the lines and understand the meaning of the words chosen. But that's more of a philosopical process on talking about the problem rather than a black and white analytical breakdown. To divulge every complication that would result in the riot would take a whole comission of pages.

Individuality does not have to equate selfishness.
 
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Then defy the percentages, my friend.

And do it with a "whole commission of pages" that lack the forest for the trees.

Analyze each step that led to this disaster. It's generic to all cities.

Century after century of it.

And the percentages of who does well and who doesn't ruggedly persist in the face of every well meaning heart.

When you finally realize that every socially engineered solution can only slightly ameliorate the problem, then you might turn towards another idea that is much more powerful than any governmental action.
 
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Yes, good point - it is sad but true that the rioters are destroying their own communities, like an act of "letting the poor kill themselves so we don't have to do it".
 
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The rioters, the suicide bombers, the jihad, the insurgents, the terrorists ---- all are killing themselves and their own people and their own chances.

The only real change occurs in ourselves, not some mass mob bowel movement.
 
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More Riots In France !!

We had several threads on this topic and the consensus among the right wingers was that the problem was caused by:

1) liberal pols allowing too many immigrants into France

2) that an anti-Bush government brought it on itself

3) that Muslims are natural born trouble makers


Well, well, well.

New riots have broken out in France today and where are the right wingers to talk about it, now?

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view_article.php?article_id=103220



Today, France has a conservative government that is pro Bush, it turns out that poverty, not immigration, is and was the problem, and that indeed, police are largely to blame because of their abuses.



BLAME SARKOZY!!
 
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The problem isn't lack of integration, the problem is they did try and integrate.

The french attitude has been, that because they aren't light skinned, they can never truly integrate. So you have a large swathe of dark skinned people who grew up in france, speak only french (without accent) eat french food, know french history as their own and are very secular in public life. Very different from their historic lineage.

Then they apply for a job and are told "You aren't french enough, and can never be french enough with dark skin".

So they do what their culture (french) says they should do when life is unfair. Riot and burn Paris to the ground. That they are rioting in Paris says they are obviously fully integrated into french culture.

People sabotaged trains in france and risked killing thousands over union issues. So, this isn't some crazy muslim culture thing, this is a crazy French culture thing.
 
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I have no idea what France is like..but to hear that literally and evidently, perhaps...Europe has not grown from its medieval period yet.
 
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``this is a crazy French culture thing.``


Interesting reply.

Two years ago or whenever the hell it was, right wingers said it was because France had a liberal government. Now that it has a right wing government, nobody is ascribing the problem to the pro Bush regime in Paris.

If right wingers had any real principle they would properly ascribe it to the government. But, as always, it is not convenient to do so.

BTW, I believe you are among the 2d Amendment rights people on this forum so here's a question for you:

Since it is established that France's white cops are responsible for this round of violence, what say you to the idea of dark French citizens having guns/rifles/weaponry and engaging in a few rounds of open season on the cops?

After all, right wingers in the USA say that 2d rights are divinely ordained. So shouldn't everybody have this right?

If you asked me, I would answer in the affirmative.

OPEN FIRE!! BLOW 'EM AWAY!!!
 
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gopher said:

Two years ago or whenever the hell it was, right wingers said it was because France had a liberal government. Now that it has a right wing government, nobody is ascribing the problem to the pro Bush regime in Paris.

If right wingers had any real principle they would properly ascribe it to the government. But, as always, it is not convenient to do so.
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Good point, gopher. I, like you, am utterly shocked that Sarko hasn't been able to completely remake French society in three whole months! That's an eternity to totally change a culture!

C'mon Sarko! Its been 90 days all ready! Get off your lazy butt!
 
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Jo Canadian said:
Individuality does not have to equate selfishness.
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Actually it does, the words mean the same thing. Thinking about yourself as an individual first and foremost.

Selflessness is a trait of being community minded, or thinking of yourself as cog in the machine of something greater.

For good or bad you need to find a healthy medium between mind control and anarchy.
 
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Sarcasm ... yup. Whenever something untoward happens in any society where the government is either liberal, democrat, or left leaning, the right wingers always make it a point to attribute that society's fault to its politics.

However, whenever something untoward happens in a society that is either fascist, republican, or right leaning, every excuse is made up by these pundits as to why the government has nothing to do with those faults. On top of all that, they often say that it is the left that is responsible for those faults.

What bullsh!t hypocrisy!
 
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