Canada won't oppose death penalty..

[Kreskin]

We sent Charles Ng back.

 

[karrie]

I'm saving that pm Karrie and will call the RCMP asap.

just try it Kreskin.

 

[karrie]

You can give me one, but it's Karrie who needs at least a few.

ya know, you're really pushing my buttons tonight Kreskin. Are you TRYING to get yourself banned or what? huh? huh?

 

[Sal]

Geez I go away for a bit and come back here and now I may have to advocate for execution for both of you. That would be without review OR investigation.

 

[karrie]

As for Karrie's suggestion of a "review" of the country involved, here's also from the article in the OP:

I was pondering on the implications of that as well gerryh. If you put a policy in place like that, then the only way to override it is to tell another country that they're not up to our standard.

 

[Sal]

So our legal system is better than the US? Theirs got him off, not convicted and executed.

Ah I don't know whose legal system is superior. Theirs allowed him to slip through the cracks in my estimate. Therefore their system is flawed and prone to injustice.

 

[karrie]

Geez I go away for a bit and come back here and now I may have to advocate for execution for both of you. That would be without review OR investigation.

I think I may just have to give him a timeout... he's acting funny... drunk perhaps? I don't know. But you'll back me up, right Sal?

 

[Sal]

I think I may just have to give him a timeout... he's acting funny... drunk perhaps? I don't know. But you'll back me up, right Sal?

perhaps. I am open to bribes.

 

[karrie]

perhaps. I am open to bribes.

I can just only take so much abuse from any one person. I'll pay whatever it takes to get some backup on banning him.

 

[Sal]

I can just only take so much abuse from any one person. I'll pay whatever it takes to get some backup on banning him.

Done! *handshake*. Kreskin boy, never underestimate the revenge factor of a woman. 'Member those deer fleeing across the lawn on Wednesday night... they were likely bucks... no ghosts in persuit, just does.

 

[karrie]

there.... thanks Sal.

 

[Sal]

I was pondering on the implications of that as well gerryh. If you put a policy in place like that, then the only way to override it is to tell another country that they're not up to our standard.

Agreed. However, I would not be adverse to allowing the sentencing to go forward if it is for a heinous crime. How much money do we want to spend on criminal scum, not much I think.

 

[gerryh]

Agreed. However, I would not be adverse to allowing the sentencing to go forward if it is for a heinous crime. How much money do we want to spend on criminal scum, not much I think.

Come on Sal, you don't have to go very far from home to find examples of innocent people being tried and convicted of heinous crimes. It's the main reason Canada does not allow the death penalty here.

 

[karrie]

Agreed. However, I would not be adverse to allowing the sentencing to go forward if it is for a heinous crime. How much money do we want to spend on criminal scum, not much I think.

hmmm....

I want to think on that a bit. Because my gut reaction is that a citizen is a citizen, and it's not up to us to decide worth. To say that a drug dealer (for example) doesn't deserve to be put through their legal system, while a murderer would, is a pretty slippery slope.

 

[Sal]

Come on Sal, you don't have to go very far from home to find examples of innocent people being tried and convicted of heinous crimes. It's the main reason Canada does not allow the death penalty here.

I agree BUT at what point do we stop. If someone is no longer living in Canada but is still a citizen do we intervene on their behalf. It gets shady. We do a quick review to ensure that their rights have been met, then onward goes the system and they swing.

Otherwise they should have stayed in Canada. In the particular case in the article the guy killed two people. Bringing him back here is not something I want to happen.

 

[gerryh]

I agree BUT at what point do we stop. If someone is no longer living in Canada but is still a citizen do we intervene on their behalf. It gets shady. We do a quick review to ensure that their rights have been met, then onward goes the system and they swing.

Otherwise they should have stayed in Canada. In the particular case in the article the guy killed two people. Bringing him back here is not something I want to happen.

Not talking about bringing him back necessarily. In the case of the u.s. what has happened has been that Canada has requested that a death sentence be commuted to life without parole.

 

[Sal]

Not talking about bringing him back necessarily. In the case of the u.s. what has happened has been that Canada has requested that a death sentence be commuted to life without parole.

Which is actually cheaper for them too. I could live with that.

 

[Sal]

hmmm....

I want to think on that a bit. Because my gut reaction is that a citizen is a citizen, and it's not up to us to decide worth. To say that a drug dealer (for example) doesn't deserve to be put through their legal system, while a murderer would, is a pretty slippery slope.

I am not sure what you mean here regarding the drug dealer vs. the murderer. Can you explain that further?

 

[karrie]

I am not sure what you mean here regarding the drug dealer vs. the murderer. Can you explain that further?

Well, how bad of a crime makes us wash our hands of someone and leave them to a legal system that we don't support? The death sentence may apply for more than just murder. It can apply (according to a poster in this thread) in some countries for 'lesser' crimes such as drug trafficking. Or relatively equivalent ones like rape. So, if we decide that heinous criminals are to be left to a legal system we don't support, then what do we do with lesser criminals? Do we go to the trouble of hauling them home? Is a Canadian citizen who has spent his life dealing drugs and ruining lives worth more than someone who gets in a bar brawl and kills someone?

You used the term 'heinous', but I'm just not sure what that might classify, and if it would really be an adequate way to determine how we should view the rights of a citizen.

 

[karrie]

moved the mods amok posts to Wreck Beach.