Harper can't even talk about jellybeans without lying
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Thanks,it is a common ploy by many to switch the subject once they fell threatened by facts. It is schoolyard arguing . Bitwhys has been proven wrong and to rub salt in his wounds I pointed out the fact that Dion actually is the most truth challenged. Jack also was spouting nonsense,but alas,he is the NDP leader,nothing more to be said there. I would hope that the adults here would admit when they are wrrong,but the ones who are wrong are not adults. Thanks again. Now run along KIDdies,make sure you take your parasol with you,just in case a big chunk of sky falls on you.
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Originally Posted by gerryh
This isn't a lie......what it shows is how how out of touch with reality this man really is.
You're right, of course. Maybe he thought they were still talking about levels of pesticide concentration.
Here is the 3rd post in on page 1...... he needs to admit to what he already admitted to because....................
You changed the topic by intimating that water doesn't play a role in the SPP and the insults by attacking the thread creator because he doesn't share your views.
You want some respect show some to others.
It's moot whether or not Harper was lying about the jellybeans, the amazing thing is he'd make such a comment in the first place considering the ramifications of the SPP. Once again:
1. No one can live without water.
2. The US is rapidly depleting their reserves.
3. Canada has an excess of fresh water at the moment.
4. Global warming is changing the climate and will affect precicpitation, it's predicted that the prairies at least will become much drier.
5. Bush, Harper and Calderon are working on a trade agreement that will certainly deal with the most precious resource on the planet water.
Do the math and stop acting like this has anything to do with Dion or Layton. Harper is the man in the position to decide one of the most important issues of our time. Doing it the way he did the Emerson flip or the lumber deal or the Afghani prisoner exchange or everything else just doesn't cut it. He can't decide all on his own behind closed doors what's going to happen to Canada on this question then let us know later. He can keep his sarcastic BS to himself and let Parliment work for once.
There's typical Harper gestopo style BS going here.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/66460-more-dirty-tricks.html
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No, don't apologize. It was well worth being said.
As for everyone else, please raise your hands if you want to lower some of Canada's standards to be in line with the USA's because I tell ya, they are not planning to raise theirs to ours if we continue to follow through with Harper's vision of things.
You know, it's not a lie until we see the transcript to the meeting. However we Canadians are apparently undeserving of having a window into such discussions over our future. Well, at least not as worthy to hold the same privilege as the 30 corporations that get to discuss close door policies on our future with our 'democratically (????)' elected leadership.
So what memo do you specifically have on what was said to affirm what many of us would like to know? Sure, fine by me to hear the proof that the opposition parties made a wrong assumption. However, that proof would require the 'transparent government' that Harper made us believe he would give us upon being elected.
Oh, does Harper's actions of doing the opposite of his election platform constitute a lie, or is that just insincerity?
I agree, though I will add I believe this is the sort of thing that's going to register very high on the average voter's bull**** meter. No doubt an "ixnay on the ellybeanjay" memo came out of the PMO communications office in short order. He's been pulling this crap for so long he can't even stop himself.
Of course its only my opinion but I still consider what he said to be a lie. They maintain different inventories because of different packaging rules, not different additives. I'd expect better out of a used car salesman. No amount of disrespect from the reductio ad Duce crowd is going to dissuade me from that.
the voters are going to start paying attention soon enough.
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The bottom line dictates which set of standards harmonization will gravitate towards.
I'm old and drink too much coffee so personally, I read the words "American Standard" far too often as it is.
fwiw I should probably preface this by saying there's only two things that concern me about our water:
1) what our ecosystem can really afford to yield and
2) what our friends to the South can really afford to pay
I checked out that document Maude's been flashing around. Those guys are serious and they're connected. They've been at it for years, have big money backing them up and big names showing up at their Washington conventions. Water may not have been discussed this time around, but its definitely on the SPP agenda.
not that that's necessarily a bad thing. I just wish they'd knock it off with the cloak and dagger crap. ever since Mulroney they've assumed we can't handle the truth.
1) what our ecosystem can really afford to yield and
2) what our friends to the South can really afford to pay
I checked out that document Maude's been flashing around. Those guys are serious and they're connected. They've been at it for years, have big money backing them up and big names showing up at their Washington conventions. Water may not have been discussed this time around, but its definitely on the SPP agenda.
not that that's necessarily a bad thing. I just wish they'd knock it off with the cloak and dagger crap. ever since Mulroney they've assumed we can't handle the truth.
He didn't LIE, he glossed over details.
You guys would make terrible lawyers if you don't see the difference.
You guys would make terrible lawyers if you don't see the difference.
Please specify which details were glossed over. Bitwhys,if you have a link to Ms. Barlow's documents,it would be appreciated. I agree with your earlier statement about "american standard " coffee,we have to remember that U.S. does have ten times the population and we have to stand on guard for thee.Harper,by far is the best of the three to do it.
the Council of Canadians site is out right now but once you've dragged that up a bit of poking around lands you here...
http://water.csis.org/
they ain't working the SPP for free, either.
http://water.csis.org/
they ain't working the SPP for free, either.
Interesting stuff. I did not read it word for word but skimmed and did read the conclusions.Water(potable) is extremely important.Now,we are straying off topic,so I surmise that you agree that Harper did not lie. Have you ever read "DUNE" by Frank Hebert,(trilogy,but#1 is best)a great read written about 40 years ago that has water and it's value and control as the central theme.In an earlier post you wrote that exporting water to the states is alright as long as we control the flow and price. I agree,100%. I take exception to the rabid anti-american,anti-Harper, stream that flows through the majority of your posts. A little more off topic,but at the very least ,the very,very least,12 Quebec liberal ridings in earlier elections were funded with stolen money from your pocket and mine.Still trust Dion,he was running at the time but knows nothing.
He glossed over the difference between 'contents' and 'list of contents'.
Which, considering the inability of most posters on this site to write a coherent sentence, shouldn't actually count for anything.
Sorry,but you are wrong. The link that bitwhys gave in the original post did not reference the newsclip that David Ganong gave earlier. Mr. Ganong did say that he had to change the contents of the red jelly beans to meet U.S. standards. The fact that this snippet was not mentioned in bitwhy's link does not ,in any way,make Harper's statement less than factual. Do you follow me on this?
There's more to the truth than facts. The way they're presented is just as important.
Harper was being deceitful.
There's plenty to worry about when it comes to standardizing the jellybean. Maybe Dion IS opposed to standardizing the jellybean. Maybe we should be, too.
Harper was being deceitful.
There's plenty to worry about when it comes to standardizing the jellybean. Maybe Dion IS opposed to standardizing the jellybean. Maybe we should be, too.
BUT THAT IS NOT LYING.
There's a difference, but it takes something to understand it. If your only mission is to hate Harper, you'll never get beyond that. There's more to truth than facts. If you actually believe that, then by your own standards Harper was telling the truth. So you're wrong.