Would you kill?

[Toro]

True. I don't picture Toro to be a horticulturist. As we speak he's propably trying to figure out which end of the sprayer applies the weed control, and the Mrs is watching out the window making sure he does it before he opens a Guinness.

I just pour gasoline on the lawn and light it on fire. I wait for the neighbors to call the fire department, who come put it out. Then, I call the insurance company who give me a cheque. Then I go buy some sod, put it down and water it. With whatever money I have left over, I go buy beer and get drunk for a week solid.

I do this every year.

 

[CDNBear]

I just pour gasoline on the lawn and light it on fire. I wait for the neighbors to call the fire department, who come put it out. Then, I call the insurance company who give me a cheque. Then I go buy some sod, put it down and water it. With whatever money I have left over, I go buy beer and get drunk for a week solid.

I do this every year.

Dear gawd, yurra herbicidal maniac!!!

 

[karrie]

It is odd that we have so little relationship with nature, ..... If we could establish a deep abiding relationship with nature we would never kill an animal for our appetite, ... If we could, and we must, establish a deep long abiding relationship with nature, .... then we would never slaughter another human being for any reason whatsoever.

Given how beautiful your writing is China, I hope you will forgive me for picking out a few key phrases that struck me as absolutely key.

What you say would make a great deal of sense, if it wasn't for the fact that what you want to have a deeper link with kills constantly. Nature, all of nature, is constantly killing. Animals eat plants, plants eat insects, plants strangle out one another competing for resources, animals kill other animals, animals kill their own young. Death death and more death China!

It would seem to me that,as awe inspiring as nature is, the key to ending the human desire to kill, would be to rise ABOVE nature.

 

[Kreskin]

I just pour gasoline on the lawn and light it on fire. I wait for the neighbors to call the fire department, who come put it out. Then, I call the insurance company who give me a cheque. Then I go buy some sod, put it down and water it. With whatever money I have left over, I go buy beer and get drunk for a week solid.

I do this every year.

I would love to see the look on the insurance agent while he says "meteor..again?"

 

[Pangloss]

Karrie:

Rising "above" nature is impossible - we are of this world, and everything we do is of this world, we are as natural as squirrels or trees or beetles, and we cannot act contrary to our nature. If I did something contrary to my nature, that merely means that my original conception of my nature was flawed, or incomplete.

If you mean should we try to curb our baser desires and try to nurture our "nicer" ones, then for the most part I totally agree with you. And so does much of humanity through the ages. St. Augustine's "City of God" merely being one of the more obvious (if mistaken) examples.

What are cities but a massive group of people getting along remarkably well, for the most part?

I know there are problems, and there are bad people, but to look up at the sky and remind oneself of hope and beatuy surely cannot hurt.

Pangloss.

 

[selfactivated]

Hurt my children and I will kill you.

 

[Toro]

I would love to see the look on the insurance agent while he says "meteor..again?"

He gets a kickback.

 

[china]

karrie:
What you say would make a great deal of sense, if it wasn't for the fact that what you want to have a deeper link with kills constantly. Nature, all of nature, is constantly killing. Animals eat plants, plants eat insects, plants strangle out one another competing for resources, animals kill other animals, animals kill their own young. Death death and more death China!

You are correct ,there is death all around us , even amongst ourself ......"the social animals".
Thanks for your point of view.

 

[AndyF]

china:

Self defense yes.

For ideology? it depends if the entity itself has proven to live up to it's own standards. For instance in the case of nations, and the enemy nation has proven that it's representatives has not misused public funds and ours has, then I would not fight. It would depend on the overall virtues of the other nation. I would pack up my family and live in the wilderness until the war finished and come back to live in whichever state I find the country in. If it's an enemy country I would become a loyal citizen of that until the next war, and so on.

I treat all free choice entities the same.

AndyF

 

[iARTthere4iam]

china:

Self defense yes.

For ideology? it depends if the entity itself has proven to live up to it's own standards. For instance in the case of nations, and the enemy nation has proven that it's representatives has not misused public funds and ours has, then I would not fight. It would depend on the overall virtues of the other nation. I would pack up my family and live in the wilderness until the war finished and come back to live in whichever state I find the country in. If it's an enemy country I would become a loyal citizen of that until the next war, and so on.

I treat all free choice entities the same.

AndyF

So if the Nazis blitzkrieged Ottawa you would run to the wilderness untill it was safe for you to goosestep your way back into peaceful society? How odd.

I am generally a peacefull guy. I wouldn't dream of needlessly fighting or harming anyone or anything. However, if I was in need I would gladly kill an animal for food. Also If my family or country was in danger I would fight to protect them. In nature killing is often necessary this is also true in human society. We haven't yet reached a point where such realities can be disregarded.