Wyoming Priest Denies Communion to Lesbian Activist Couple “Married” in Canada
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Sweetheart if you can find the spot I said that PLEASE post it......cause I didnt. You may not like my opinion nor I yours but they are YOUR oppinion and IM not one that would turn ANYONE away.....Id ignore you LOL but Id never turn you away......My Rede is do no harm......I live by that..........That priest doesnt.
Is it legal to do that? Anyway, I don’t understand the Catholic Church. If they want to reach more people shouldn’t they let everyone attend the service? What is this behavior going to do other then either:
a) Encourage the activist to protest.
b) Make the activist consider another church.
It all comes down to freedom or religion and freedom of organization.
Government is different, but a religion or organization can make any mandates or rules they want as long as its within the laws.
If its not done by the gov. the organizations can "descriminate".
Slowly but surely you people are supporting the take away of my freedom of religion.
It doesn't matter the circumstances of the event. Its a church, an organization, they are within the laws, they are causing no physical harm, so since they have remained within their limits they can make whatever descisions or judgments they want, even if you disagree.
I don't want to get into the issue at hand of homosexuality and the church.
Why I am getting royally PO'ed is this is intruding on my and others freedom of religion.
Boy Scouts were found by the Supreme Court to be able to "descriminate" because they were a private organization.
This very issue of you people causing an uproar is why I fear of a day where I can no longer practise my belief in this nation.
The gov. has to be objectional and non-descriminatory in all situations.
This does not apply to religion or private organizations.
Get over yourselves!
You hate that Christians believe sex outside of of a hetrosexual marriage is a sin! So much that its clouding your judgment that your very view on this is anti-freedom of religion!
The woman can leave the church and find one that suits their needs.
The core of this issue is freedom of religion, not homosexuality and the church.
And MY freedom of religion lets me believe and judge whatever I please as long as its within the limits of the law.
So, SORRY, if I won't bend over backwards to change my beliefs and church to be politically correct.
Another thing: ASK YOURSELF THIS, IF THEIR IS NO GOD, WHICH MANY OF YOU HERE BELIEVE, HOW COME YOU CARE SO DARN MUCH THAT OTHERS DO BELIEVE IN A GOD THAT SEES CERTAIN ACTS AS SINS? IF THERE IS NO GOD WHAT DOES THIS MATTER TO YOU WHAT ME OR OTHER BELIEVERS IN A GOD THINK?
This has got nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with our freedom to believe and run our religions and private org.s without ouside influence.
The Supreme Court in the USA ruled Boy Scout clubs can descriminate against having gay scout masters. This is because they are a private org.
So whatever you see as descrimination or not in tact with your values, my church and I can believe that without you forcing us to bend to your ideologoy.
Sorry this is getting me heated up, this is a direct attack against freedom of religion, which I haven't seen in a long time.
Government is different, but a religion or organization can make any mandates or rules they want as long as its within the laws.
If its not done by the gov. the organizations can "descriminate".
Slowly but surely you people are supporting the take away of my freedom of religion.
It doesn't matter the circumstances of the event. Its a church, an organization, they are within the laws, they are causing no physical harm, so since they have remained within their limits they can make whatever descisions or judgments they want, even if you disagree.
I don't want to get into the issue at hand of homosexuality and the church.
Why I am getting royally PO'ed is this is intruding on my and others freedom of religion.
Boy Scouts were found by the Supreme Court to be able to "descriminate" because they were a private organization.
This very issue of you people causing an uproar is why I fear of a day where I can no longer practise my belief in this nation.
The gov. has to be objectional and non-descriminatory in all situations.
This does not apply to religion or private organizations.
Get over yourselves!
You hate that Christians believe sex outside of of a hetrosexual marriage is a sin! So much that its clouding your judgment that your very view on this is anti-freedom of religion!
The woman can leave the church and find one that suits their needs.
The core of this issue is freedom of religion, not homosexuality and the church.
And MY freedom of religion lets me believe and judge whatever I please as long as its within the limits of the law.
So, SORRY, if I won't bend over backwards to change my beliefs and church to be politically correct.
Another thing: ASK YOURSELF THIS, IF THEIR IS NO GOD, WHICH MANY OF YOU HERE BELIEVE, HOW COME YOU CARE SO DARN MUCH THAT OTHERS DO BELIEVE IN A GOD THAT SEES CERTAIN ACTS AS SINS? IF THERE IS NO GOD WHAT DOES THIS MATTER TO YOU WHAT ME OR OTHER BELIEVERS IN A GOD THINK?
This has got nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with our freedom to believe and run our religions and private org.s without ouside influence.
The Supreme Court in the USA ruled Boy Scout clubs can descriminate against having gay scout masters. This is because they are a private org.
So whatever you see as descrimination or not in tact with your values, my church and I can believe that without you forcing us to bend to your ideologoy.
Sorry this is getting me heated up, this is a direct attack against freedom of religion, which I haven't seen in a long time.
Turn it around......your taking away THEIR freedom to choose a religion they were in all their lives......Ive had enough of this tonight my BP is already up! YOU get a life.......I swear Hitler had nothing on the mindset Ive read tonight.............gas chambers next?
Freedom or religion in my opinion trumps your ideas of equality. I think the Catholic church shouldn’t close its doors to anyone but no one should force the church from exercising their freedom to do so.
Freedom of religion under the Canadian Charter of Rights applies to the individual. Denying one the ability to practice their religion is unconstitutional (discriminatory). Nowhere in it does it say an organized religion can discriminate against individual members. Like Taloola says, if the church denied access to blacks do you think it would be legal?
I'm not interested in any church, but. He is only upholding the laws of the catholic church,
not making decisions for himself. They have had those laws for centuries, and that is their
right, if we like it or not. If homosexuals want to be accepted by the church, go to a different
one. If they did attend that church all their lives, they knew exactly what the laws of the church
were, and purposely disobeyed to make mockery of the catholic laws to get attention, and they have
succeeded in doing that. They are not going to change anything.
Its a religion, and an organization, we are FREE to make whatever judgements or decisions we choose! Even if you disagree.
And we should be able to do so without your intervention!
If they were Catholics all their lives, they no catholics believe acting on homosexual sex is wrong , and marraige is between 1 man and 1 woman.
So how in there right minds can they attend a Catholic church when they know this is the belief?
They are choosing to believe something that says their lifestyle is a sin? How confusing is that?
Why would anyone attend a religion or org. that beliefs your lifestyle is a sin?
This couple is not making sense to me.
Their needs would be well suited in a United Church.
They want to believe and be a practicing Catholic, then they have to accept the rules of the church!
If not the church is in all rights to knock them out.
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What I am trying to get you to do self is say:
I disagree with what the church did here in SO MANY WAYS, but under the US constitution which ensures Freedom of religion, the church is entitled to practice in any way they choose that applies under the law of this land.
Just say you disgaree with what they did, but they should be able to do this if they choose, and nobody should step in and censor their freedom of religion and freedom of expression.
This is the point I am trying to get across.
Say your mad as hell this happened, but that in every way they are allowed to do this!
Its like:
I disagree with sex-change operations, but I believe in every way people should have the option to.
People can't force or expect "all" others to feel the same about homosexuality as they do. Maybe in'
500 yrs from now, and maybe not. People have been bought up to think and feel in many different ways,
and just because there are some aggressive people, shouting away on this forum, because all people
can't look to homosexuals in an open and broad minded sense is "just" too bad.
The catholic church has had it's belief re: homosexuality for hundreds of years, and now, all of you, who don't like it, want it stopped. Well get over yourselves. And, as I stated here once before, what
about all of the millions of catholics all over the world, who believe in their church and their position.
Do people "really" think they will "just" change their minds. Forget it.
I am not even religious, but I respect "their " right to practice their religion as they see fit, not as
all of those "outside" the catholic church think they should. Just go to a different church, simple, and if the catholic
church means" SO" much to you, "as a homosexual", abstain, then you can be a practicing catholic.
They don't criticize a person "being" a homosexual, "just" actively practicing homosexuality.
500 yrs from now, and maybe not. People have been bought up to think and feel in many different ways,
and just because there are some aggressive people, shouting away on this forum, because all people
can't look to homosexuals in an open and broad minded sense is "just" too bad.
The catholic church has had it's belief re: homosexuality for hundreds of years, and now, all of you, who don't like it, want it stopped. Well get over yourselves. And, as I stated here once before, what
about all of the millions of catholics all over the world, who believe in their church and their position.
Do people "really" think they will "just" change their minds. Forget it.
I am not even religious, but I respect "their " right to practice their religion as they see fit, not as
all of those "outside" the catholic church think they should. Just go to a different church, simple, and if the catholic
church means" SO" much to you, "as a homosexual", abstain, then you can be a practicing catholic.
They don't criticize a person "being" a homosexual, "just" actively practicing homosexuality.
The Pope once put Gallileo on trial for his lies about the heavens. Apparently the man who connects directly with God was determined in his divine wisdom that the Sun circled the Earth and that Gallileo was questioning the long held beliefs of the church. He purposely disobeyed it and it almost cost him his life.
Now that we're in the 21st century there are basic fundamental rights that apply to everyone. This isn't even about being denied a marriage ceremony, it's about being denied a right to practice a religion because of who they are (and who they are is constitutionally protected).
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
So, then, are you telling me that the government could force the catholic church to allow practicing homosexuals to be practicing catholics in their church?
And, if that is so, then why don't they.