To me, that's how the world ought to be. When I see Christians criticising those who practise other religions, or who have no religion, I get just as annoyed as when I see those with no religion trying to talk others out of theirs. Religious tolerance is a key to civil society, both from the religious and the non.
Philosophically speaking, religion is a hoax
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To me, that's how the world ought to be. When I see Christians criticising those who practise other religions, or who have no religion, I get just as annoyed as when I see those with no religion trying to talk others out of theirs. Religious tolerance is a key to civil society, both from the religious and the non.
Do belabour the point Dexter, because there is nothing there which I am not responsible for and which I am ashamed of saying. Of course your dishonesty compels you to quote partially and quote without supplying the context and quote without supplying the offending phrases to which I responded, but that's your problem of lacking honesty and not mine. And furthermore Dexter, this thread is not about me but we can certainly make it about you and me if you choose to and the moderators want to allow such petty childish nonsense from you.
It speaks mountains to me but in a way which you don't understand yet because I haven't had the time to explain it to you. It's foolish to try to convince others that the religion they were born with is not the religion they stay with. I'm not talking minor changes from catholic to protestant as a convenience to facilitate a marriage, I'm talking about changing from Christian to Muslim, Buddhist, etc. .....
If you want to have a discussion then you are going to have to confine yourself to honesty.
I condemn your beliefs but I don't know you so I don't condemn you. You may be a very nice person but I am starting to come to the conclusion from the way you debate and the way you continuously attack me that you deserve to be attacked in the same manner as I attack your beliefs. It's pending! And of course, try to remembe that this is not about me and you.
You hope in vain because they all don't. In fact Muslims are quite sure that you are all toast, and vice versa of course.
Yes, I know of the conservation of mass science. Did time begin with everytihing being in it's place? There are different theories being considered by science the person or persons who comes up with the definitive answer will undoubtedly be honoured with science's greatest arard. No, we didn't evolve from rocks exactly because rocks don't necessarily contain all of the elements necessary for life to evolve from. You could more accurately say that we all evolved from hydrogen in intense heat. But let's not go there unless you are prepared to see it through with me. In a religious discussion there doesn't have to be winners but there certainly can be some religious superstitious beliefs which bite the dust. If you are searching for answers my original link contains many of them. At least as many as you have the capability of asking with your (our) limited brains.
No, I meant differnet denominations of Christianity and the Bible. I said I hope all believers in the Bible, no matter what denomination, protestant or catholic, believe that all believers in the Bible goto Heaven.
I didn't mean different religions. To me denominations are just variations on how to worship, and different interpruttations on certain issues.
Now, I believe we all need to be tolerant of people of different religions, or lack of.
But what atheists don't get is, they are being intolerant to people of beliefs. So now is it ok to for atheists to attack people of beliefs? Your being just as intolerant, as you say religious people are!
Atheism is NOT a church! But more and more, its starting to sound like it. Atheists group together, they try to convert, they have atheist-organizations (like Camp Quest for Atheist children), they rally out trying to say their way or the highway.
It sounds more and more like Atheism is turning into a church. If your an atheist, why are you converting, getting in groups of organizations, and taking political actions, etc.
Atheists deny the existence of the supreme deity. If so why are you creating a church of atheism? It looks more and more like that to me.
And another not, imposing of beliefs runs BOTH ways.
If a person displays religion in the public square, its imposing religious beliefs on others
Well if a person demands religion not be displayed in the public square, its imposing their beliefs and convictions on ME.
I didn't mean different religions. To me denominations are just variations on how to worship, and different interpruttations on certain issues.
Now, I believe we all need to be tolerant of people of different religions, or lack of.
But what atheists don't get is, they are being intolerant to people of beliefs. So now is it ok to for atheists to attack people of beliefs? Your being just as intolerant, as you say religious people are!
Atheism is NOT a church! But more and more, its starting to sound like it. Atheists group together, they try to convert, they have atheist-organizations (like Camp Quest for Atheist children), they rally out trying to say their way or the highway.
It sounds more and more like Atheism is turning into a church. If your an atheist, why are you converting, getting in groups of organizations, and taking political actions, etc.
Atheists deny the existence of the supreme deity. If so why are you creating a church of atheism? It looks more and more like that to me.
And another not, imposing of beliefs runs BOTH ways.
If a person displays religion in the public square, its imposing religious beliefs on others
Well if a person demands religion not be displayed in the public square, its imposing their beliefs and convictions on ME.
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Oh Karrie, there have been numerous remarks from you that has given me the impression that you are angry, and I don't mind saying that I have attempted to hold my anger in check after reading your callous remarks and jaded attacks. If you are done with the discussion than that's too bad. I will assume that you consider it over your head anyway.
We anxously await the arrival of the magical mr. sanctus to arrive on the scene which will give you a second life I suppose.
Well I'm cool with that westy. You Christians are a couple of billion give or take and you condemn the rest of the 6.5 billion to burn in hell. Although I still maintain that all Christians don't accept all other Christians.
Church of atheism? laugh out loud! Call it that if you like.
You said; "No, I meant differnet denominations of Christianity and the Bible. I said I hope all believers in the Bible, no matter what denomination, protestant or catholic, believe that all believers in the Bible goto Heaven."
What you hope pal is not what your Christianity professes to be the truth.
Sanctus, your reading this thread! Jump in this debate please.
I am shaking my head in utter belief in what I am hearing.
Christianity teaches love, good morals, love thy neighbour, treat others the way you want to be treated, accept and love all man, do good for others, and multiple other teaching for way of life, that benifit this world.
Christians moral bearing give so much to humanity. Homosexuality, and murder(abortion), is where we get contreversial.
But how can you condemn MY beliefs, when they teach so much good?
I am shaking my head in utter belief in what I am hearing.
Christianity teaches love, good morals, love thy neighbour, treat others the way you want to be treated, accept and love all man, do good for others, and multiple other teaching for way of life, that benifit this world.
Christians moral bearing give so much to humanity. Homosexuality, and murder(abortion), is where we get contreversial.
But how can you condemn MY beliefs, when they teach so much good?
As you damn well should be, and much more vigorously than you currently are doing. Do you suppose they don't mean it when they condemn other to the hellfires?
You need to begin to understand that atheism is not intolerant but all atheists should be outspoken about the evils of religion and the evil of religion's intolerance toward others, including atheists, agnostics, and people of other beliefs.
Note that that sentence does not mention Christians. What do you think that means? Hint: 9/11, the twin towers, and the deaths of 3000 civilians.
If you've strived in your life to do good, then you're good. plain and simple. no matter how many people try to stir up discontent, no matter how many people stress about the little points, it all boils down to trying to live well within the world.
Your being very intolerant to people of religious beliefs.
I believe their is an ultimate judgment and Hell, but that has no cause or effect until death.
Me believing in a Hell, causes no harm or evils to anyone, ON THIS EARTH.
So, with our religious beliefs that have cause and effect on earth, we have very good moral beliefs and values which better humanity
You go and call us evil and a threat to the world, but look what you have morphed into, you are a Hater of religion, you consume your time blasting the thing you deny.
Hate is a level of caring, so how come you care so much about people who believe something you deny exists.
I believe their is an ultimate judgment and Hell, but that has no cause or effect until death.
Me believing in a Hell, causes no harm or evils to anyone, ON THIS EARTH.
So, with our religious beliefs that have cause and effect on earth, we have very good moral beliefs and values which better humanity
You go and call us evil and a threat to the world, but look what you have morphed into, you are a Hater of religion, you consume your time blasting the thing you deny.
Hate is a level of caring, so how come you care so much about people who believe something you deny exists.
Ok, I am starting to wonder, just wonder, if this is a troll, who is keeping the pot stirred up for his own personal delight. I am not denying him being an atheist, that is QUITE CLEAR. But I wonder if he is trying to dramatasize this for his pure joy.
But westy, it's you who is being intolerant of others who believe differently from you.
And I'll remind you again westy, this is not about you and me, it is about religion and the harm it causes to civilization. Woud you like to talk about that? I really don't think you can deny it. I would suggest that you call on your faith to carry you through this and if you do't want to do that then toddle off where you won't have to hear it. Is your faith letting you down? Have I said something that makes you feel uncomfortable? I certainly hope that all this typing has had an effect on some of you. It's caused karrie to back away from the challenge!
Well, the way he reads the posts indicates the way he wants them to be. He has yet to get me angry, yet he reads my posts as angry simply because I don't agree with what he has to say. He obviously WANTS anger out of it, or at the very least expects anger out of it. I don't know that I'd classify him as a troll, but he obviously thinks he is above and beyond the rest of the participants in this thread, and is bordering very closely on trollish. He's probably not worth your time debating with. A typical religious zealot, bent on making you see his way, he will not respect anyone who does not see eye to eye with him.
CHRISTIAN TACTIC: Attempt to stop others from voicing their opinions against religion by accusing them of trolling. (or any other infraction against the forum rules they think they can make stick)
Well from what I know of science is that hydrogen ions can turn into helium and so on and so forth, somwhere along the line I'm sure there was a 'rock'. It isn't fair to say religion is all just a hoax because it is still an option. I know it seems absurd to believe in somthing blindly but really, if time began with everything in it's place then time had already begun, catch my drift? Is it really that naive to believe that it was created? Then again, if God created everything who created him? There are no answers to such debates and it just stirs everyones temper, so why bring this up? Your title totally attacks anyone who believes in spirituality / religon. Really, none of those 'facts' you gave seem very persuasive.
Good post karrie! And good advice for westmanguy because I am going for all the marbles.
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