Philosophically speaking, religion is a hoax

[m_levesque]

I think I have already covered that. Modern day religious leaders are just as aware as you and I that their religious beliefs pose problems for themselves. They understand that their followers are incapable of a deeper understanding and therefore it is lies by ommissions. For example, don't think about the fact that the earth is millions of years old, just accept with faith that the bible is the literal word of god. Do you really think that highly educated people are not aware of the problems?

Nobody has disproved my contention that religion is a hoax but if you are stuck on the word then use another more suitable if you like. Let's not waste a lot of time on this o.k?

My, you are rather sold on yourself, aren't you?!

 

[lieexpsr]

My, you are rather sold on yourself, aren't you?!

Yes, I am. I am the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you have something to add to the disucssion or are you just going to join the troller? If you have something worthwhile to add then I welcome you to my thread. If you are just going to troll then I will report you as I do the other trollers.

 

[L Gilbert]

But is that not a belief? Live, f**k, frolic and by merry? That would be your construct of a meaning of life, a belief a faith?. Note I didn't mention a belief in a greater power in my original post.

Nope. Not a belief. From Princeton U. Press: "Belief is impression: an idea in which some confidence is placed." Since it is extremely unlikely that we exist as self-aware entities before conception and after death, the alternative remains that since I exist, the purpose of existing (being a self-aware identity) is to exist.

 

[CDNBear]

I think I have already covered that. Modern day religious leaders are just as aware as you and I that their religious beliefs pose problems for themselves. They understand that their followers are incapable of a deeper understanding and therefore it is lies by ommissions. For example, don't think about the fact that the earth is millions of years old, just accept with faith that the bible is the literal word of god. Do you really think that highly educated people are not aware of the problems?

Nobody has disproved my contention that religion is a hoax but if you are stuck on the word then use another more suitable if you like. Let's not waste a lot of time on this o.k?

As has been stated, that is the "man" not the religion.

I can state that snow doesn't exist, and if you live in the middle of the Sahara, you might concure. But it doesn't make it so.

You asserted Religion is a hoax, you have proven that some of the men/women, behind it are in fact perpetuating a hoax to keep the collection plate full, but you have not successfully proven that the foundation of any religion is a hoax or fraud.

 

[m_levesque]

Yes, I am. I am the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you have something to add to the disucssion or are you just going to join the troller? If you have something worthwhile to add then I welcome you to my thread. If you are just going to troll then I will report you as I do the other trollers.

What? Add my humble opinion to your exalted wisdom! I wouldn't dare presume

so, go ahead, be a big boy and go tell on me....

 

[CDNBear]

Nope. Not a belief. From Princeton U. Press: "Belief is impression: an idea in which some confidence is placed." Since it is extremely unlikely that we exist as self-aware entities before conception and after death, the alternative remains that since I exist, the purpose of existing (being a self-aware identity) is to exist.

lol, now you're arguing symatics. But if you beleive what you just posted, then that is a belief. Is it not?

 

[L Gilbert]

And once again L Gilbert, you need to go back and read the applicable post to see that I didn't exactly jump on anyone. I did indeed mention the fact that Ariadne was calling atheists stupid. As to whether I care all that much, I don't, even though it was meant to call me stupid for being an atheist. I think you people need to get over that and I'm sure you will when your brains cook up something better to talk about. ;-)

Just exactly what are you babbling about here? Who is "we people"? What do we need to get over, thou self-righteous prat?

And thanks for supplying the links. I find it too time consuming to do that and it's nice to have someone who will do it for me.

You're welcome, but it's pretty easy to perform a search in google, yahoo, etc. and the searches don't last more than a fraction of a second. :roll: Of course, comprehension of the English language helps when weeding out the applicable results but that's what the abstracts under the search results are for.

 

[lieexpsr]

Just exactly what are you babbling about here? Who is "we people"? What do we need to get over, thou self-righteous prat?

You're welcome, but it's pretty easy to perform a search in google, yahoo, etc. and the searches don't last more than a fraction of a second. :roll: Of course, comprehension of the English language helps when weeding out the applicable results but that's what the abstracts under the search results are for.

Actually I am pretty good at doing searches too. In fact L Gilbert, when it comes right down to it there is hardly anything that I am not good at. I suppose that may irk you to learn that but keep in mind that I have only one purpose in mind when I say that. To irk you of course.

Now let's move on. What is your agenda here? You appear to agree with most of what I say and the minor points you bring up seem to be nothing much more than nitpicking. How many posts is it now that you have been stuck on the word 'hoax' and it's definition? That indicates to me that you are feeling challenged and that may be because you are getting less attention than that to which you are accustomed. And of course, if you don't want to get along then you are probably aware by now of my method of disposing with nuisances.

Dont' worry, we are going to get along just fine!

 

[L Gilbert]

I think I have already covered that.

Perhaps to your satisfaction, but your opinion is only your opinion. I'm sure that everyone else doesn't place as much credibility in your opinion as you do.

Modern day religious leaders are just as aware as you and I that their religious beliefs pose problems for themselves. They understand that their followers are incapable of a deeper understanding and therefore it is lies by ommissions

Really? So you think religious leaders are smarter than everyone else?

For example, don't think about the fact that the earth is millions of years old, just accept with faith that the bible is the literal word of god. Do you really think that highly educated people are not aware of the problems?

Yes, but I wouldn't exactly call every follower of a religion stupider than the religion's representatives. That'd be a pretty bigotted statement against people's intelligence. I've known about some pretty bright scientists that believe in gods and things. I highly doubt that you could match them for wits. (BTW, Einstein did not believe in a PERSONAL god.)http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1034872,00.html

Nobody has disproved my contention that religion is a hoax but if you are stuck on the word then use another more suitable if you like. Let's not waste a lot of time on this o.k?

You made the claim, you prove it. It is not up to me to prove a negative, it is up to you to prove the positive. And you haven't; all you've done is assert that your opinion is fact and then refuse to provide evidence because "you don't have the time to".

 

[L Gilbert]

My, you are rather sold on yourself, aren't you?!

Yeah, egotism seems to be rampant.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yes, I am. I am the greatest thing since sliced bread.

This may be so, but it is only your bread. Everyone else's bread is different.

Do you have something to add to the disucssion or are you just going to join the troller?

roflmao The person who posts a trollish thread calls someone else a troll. friggin hilarious.

If you have something worthwhile to add then I welcome you to my thread. If you are just going to troll then I will report you as I do the other trollers.

roflmao The person who posts a trollish thread calls someone else a troll. Friggin hilarious.

 

[L Gilbert]

lol, now you're arguing symatics. But if you beleive what you just posted, then that is a belief. Is it not?

It's not a belief, it's a conclusion.

 

[lieexpsr]

Gilbert- I'm aware of EInstein's position on relgion so there is no need for a bunch of links, if in fact that is what the links are talking about. And I have already stated that 15% of the world's brightest people are believers in sky fairies. Why do you think that is so? Do you perhaps believe that childhood influences trump knowledge. How do you think that those great minds reconcile the facts with the fantasy and the faith?

You really should get that sound card fixed so you can listen to the videos. Had you done that first there would be even less room for disagreement between us. Dawwwg knows there is little now and what there is you are dredging up out of desperation to keep this going with me.

You have your homework assignment and now I have to go for a while. Don't disappoint me because you are one of my best hopes here on this forum. Although I am beginning to think that Karrie is less confrontational and will be more productive for me.

 

[lieexpsr]

L Gilbert- I've got you on the hook haven't I! Now you will witness how well I can play you before I reel you in for breakfast.

 

[L Gilbert]

Actually I am pretty good at doing searches too. In fact L Gilbert, when it comes right down to it there is hardly anything that I am not good at. I suppose that may irk you to learn that but keep in mind that I have only one purpose in mind when I say that. To irk you of course.

lol
Why would it bother me? I find you rather entertaining. Your opinion of yourself is only an opinion. Just like pretty much everything else you've posted. Opinions are like flies, noisy but swattable.
"Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts." - E B White
"We must always think about things, and we must think about things as they are, not as they are said to be." - G B Shaw

Now let's move on. What is your agenda here? You appear to agree with most of what I say and the minor points you bring up seem to be nothing much more than nitpicking.

Only in your mind.

How many posts is it now that you have been stuck on the word 'hoax' and it's definition?

Don't know and don't care. You brought the word up and refuse to prove how it is applicable.

That indicates to me that you are feeling challenged and that may be because you are getting less attention than that to which you are accustomed.

I don't care what it indicates to you. You made a claim and posted opinions that were supposed to back it up and I'm poking myriads of holes in it.

And of course, if you don't want to get along then you are probably aware by now of my method of disposing with nuisances.

I am trying to discuss the issue. If you aren't interested in discussion why'd you post the thread? It seems what you really wanted was a soapbox to stand on so you could proclaim your little opinions o the masses. BTW, I am neither familiar about your methods of diposal nor interested.

Dont' worry, we are going to get along just fine!

I rarely worry and when I do it isn't about minor things like discussions.

 

[L Gilbert]

Gilbert- I'm aware of EInstein's position on relgion so there is no need for a bunch of links, if in fact that is what the links are talking about. And I have already stated that 15% of the world's brightest people are believers in sky fairies.

Prove this "15%".

Why do you think that is so? Do you perhaps believe that childhood influences trump knowledge. How do you think that those great minds reconcile the facts with the fantasy and the faith?

I don't care why you think it's 15% so. I don't really care why they believe in fantasies either. BTW, the figure among scientists is about 4 in 10 that believe in gods n things.

You really should get that sound card fixed so you can listen to the videos. Had you done that first there would be even less room for disagreement between us. Dawwwg knows there is little now and what there is you are dredging up out of desperation to keep this going with me.

roflmao Desperation? Bor you really do think you're the cat's meow.
Didja know that egotistical people have less reason to be egotistical than anyone else?

You have your homework assignment and now I have to go for a while. Don't disappoint me because you are one of my best hopes here on this forum. Although I am beginning to think that Karrie is less confrontational and will be more productive for me.

rofl
Maybe some day you'll grow up, kid.

 

[L Gilbert]

L Gilbert- I've got you on the hook haven't I! Now you will witness how well I can play you before I reel you in for breakfast.

I'd like eggs, bacon, and toast please.

 

[L Gilbert]

Um, real butter on the toast please. Don't much like that yellow grease called margerine.

 

[m_levesque]

Yeah, egotism seems to be rampant.

Should we encourage him and AJ to share a thread together--THAT would be amusing!

 

[lieexpsr]

L Gilbert said: "I don't care why you think it's 15% so. I don't really care why they believe in fantasies either. BTW, the figure among scientists is about 4 in 10 that believe in gods n things."

If you don't care about why the 15% is so then you may find it strange that I care about your 4 in 10 figure. But I do.

Yes, that is about what my source says about scientists in general too. It is a lower % than the general population in the U.S. for instance which stands at about 90% I think. My source for the 15% is in the link which I provided at the beginning of this thread. Sound card ya know.

But tell me, do you disagree with the 15%? I don't really think so but you have decided to be contrary about the issue. And if you disagree then what % would you like us to agree on here for the world's top scientists and how would you like to define that term? I'm easy Mr. Gilbert but you have to let me know what pleases you. If you just keep this up for the sake of disagreement then I'm going to start thinking you aren't a nice man. ;-)

Really, I think that you are smart enough to understand that as the intelligence level goes up the believers start disappearing. It's not a hard concept to understand.