Psychics and Witches: What Scripture Says

[selfactivated]

Oh my LORD....I'm so sorry to read this! I have 3 adult children and even the thought of one of them dying is beyond my understanding...would you be terribly offended if I said a rosary on his behalf?

My sister does all the time........Mary I dont object to Love. Not ever.

 

[marygaspe]

My sister does all the time........Mary I dont object to Love. Not ever.

Thank you Tam. I better hit the sack. Funny, this has turned into a healing I think, do you agree!?

 

[AmberEyes]

Thank you Tam. I better hit the sack. Funny, this has turned into a healing I think, do you agree!?

I don't doubt it!

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

My brother was single with no kids. He was going to ask his girlfriend to marry him. he was very successful as the Global Sales Manager for a company that sold water purification systems for sewage treatment. Travelled all over the world. His boss was Dutch Refornm and held a real nice touching remembrance service at the plant as my bro was one of 10 original employs in a company that now has 200. I have 1 other single brother a step brother who is married with 2 kids. Never use the word step in referring to him or his mum. We were friends before our parents met. They were introduced by my mum's (1st) best friend who is as church going RC as you can get and is native herself from Le Pas in Manitoba. My two mums are quite a bit alike, believing anglicans and good cooks. Considering my dad had no use for church and was a bit anti-RC ( gee guess the apple did not fall far from that tree, eh) am surprised he fell for two believing girls. Then again good family values are taught by most churches and good values as well as good manners are paramount.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

I don't doubt it!

Me either. Lets keep it up,eh.

 

[selfactivated]

Thank you Tam. I better hit the sack. Funny, this has turned into a healing I think, do you agree!?

I had no doubt it would Love

Bless

 

[Dexter Sinister]

To try to discover the future through palm reading, tarot cards, or some other form of fortunetelling, or to try to control the future through black magic, witchcraft, or sorcery violates the first commandment. Sacred Scripture has many condemnations of these activities...The New Testament also addresses this issue...
Particular concern must be given to witchcraft, which involves both unraveling the future as well as trying to control the future. ...witchcraft involves producing certain effects which are beyond one's natural powers through the assistance of powers (the occult) other than those of God. Commonly, witchcraft involves a pact with the devil or at least some imploring of evil spirits for assistance. The annals of witchcraft include rites to awaken the dead, arouse passion in a person, and bring disaster or even death upon an enemy. Satanism, in particular, gives homage to the Prince of Darkness, and even celebrates a Black Mass, which parodies our Mass but commits sacrilegious and blasphemous actions. Even if one talks of white magic or white witchcraft, the practitioner is invoking powers not of God in ways outside those of prescribed religion.

Well, except for the fact that none of witchcraft's rituals can be shown to actually work, and neither can any of Christianity's, or any other faith's, or Tarot cards, or ouija boards, or anything similar. This has nothing to do with the way things really are. Most people at most times and places throughout history have believed one or more of the following:

1. there are supernatural forces that will protect us if we follow the proper rituals
2. some part of your personality lives on after the death of your body.
3. the universe has some purpose.
4. people have special, untapped powers that will enable them to get something for nothing.

There's no good evidence for any of them, and plenty of evidence that suggests they're nonsense. Anyone who can actually demonstrate that any of this stuff is real can win a million U.S. dollars from the James Randi Educational Foundation; see www.randi.org for "The Million Dollar Challenge." And I fearlessly predict the following with my psychic powers:

1. there'll be all kinds of reasons why nobody will bother, such as (Sylvia Browne's favourite), "I have nothing to prove to James Randi," or (Sylvia Browne's second favourite), "it's a fraud,the money's not really there," or "he sets it up so you can't win," or "that would sully the purity of what I do," or something like that. There's no truth to any excuses, the money is there, you can set your own conditions for the test, all you have to do is state clearly what you expect to demonstrate and they'll set up mutually agreed upon protocols to test it. You think there's healing power in prayer, for instance? Easy to test, it's been done, with no demonstrable result. You could do a lot of good with a million bucks regardless of where it comes from. Prove your claims, or stop making them.

2. the million dollars will remain forever unclaimed, because there's absolutely no substance in any supernatural claim that can survive routine skeptical scrutiny. This, from http://www.skepdic.com/essays/darwinism.html, pretty much sums up my views:

...one of the worst ideas any human being ever had was the one Saul of Tarsus had. St. Paul, as this Jewish tent salesman is now known, determined that the messiah promised to the Jews by their prophets was not going to be a king of Israel who would reestablish their kingdom over the land and smite their enemies, but would be a redeemer of everybody, Jew or not, and that this redemption took place by God becoming a man in the form of Jesus of Nazareth, who was sacrificed on the cross and suffered real human pain and died a real human death for the sins of mankind before resurrecting to Heaven. This story is so absurd and repulsive to me, and so obviously false, that I find it amazing that something like a billion people alive today accept it as true. A group of village idiots could sit around the campfire for a billion years and never come up with any story as preposterous as the Pauline Salvation Story. If I had to choose the worst idea ever, this one would be a leading candidate for number one.

 

[selfactivated]

Dex read the whole thread Love.......His Mom Died.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yeah, well, mine did too, not this afternoon, but about two years ago (16 Jan. 2005, to be precise), and I never used that as a reason to tell people to go f*ck themselves.

 

[selfactivated]

Yeah, well, mine did too, not this afternoon, but about two years ago (16 Jan. 2005, to be precise), and I never used that as a reason to tell people to go f*ck themselves.

I Love You. We've all had loss and we're all still feeling it. Believe me I know. But sometimes we lash out to reach out. Its not effective, its very base but its human.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Yeah, well, mine did too, not this afternoon, but about two years ago (16 Jan. 2005, to be precise), and I never used that as a reason to tell people to go f*ck themselves.

We each handle and react differently to a death like such as this. Emotional outburst especially ones so out of character are to be entirely overlooked and not taken to heart. Just a bit of respect for the berieved is all that is asked.

You've seen my posts you know my feelings on about Sanctus' religious convictions. Still.................................

 

[talloola]

..If you must know..my mother passed away this afternoon. and I came on tonight to divert the pain I feel--.

I am so sorry for your loss, and know the sorrowful feeling of the loss of one's mother.

As time passes and your mind settles and your grief lessens, she will always be there, in
your visual thoughts. One can forget what certain people looked like after time passes,
but not your mother. I can reach out my hand and feel I can touch her, her face
and voice are just as clear and I remember every little aspect of her personality as
sharp, as she was 11 yrs ago, on the day she died and every day before that.

Your mother will never "really" be gone, as she will be with you all of your life, it will be
such a secure feeling for you later, a happy feeling, and a true testiment as to the strength
one's mother really has on their life. I learned that after her death, and felt so thankful
as I was devastated at losing her, but that didn't really happen at all.

You take care, be sad now, you have to, it is hard to sort it all out at first but it's OK, it
is just "life and death", and you, more than most, know how that works.

 

[Vereya]

Sanctus, I am terribly sorry about your loss. My sympathy is with you. Everything is hard for you right now, but I know that eventually you will find the wisdom and courage to cope with your loss.

It is at hard and difficult times like this that people show the best that is in them. I am glad of the way we all finally came to an understanding, because things were really getting too heated here recently.

Mary Gaspe - I was really rude to you. I was wrong. I hope you accept my apology.

 

[El Barto]

my sympaties to Sanctus
That aside.
This thing of magic and devining the future and changing it be frowned on opun God doesnit click with me.
If this creation is really his and he being all knowing , shouldn't he have forseen this problem and made it impossible to do just that thing?
The image I get is two kids playing a video game and one saying to the other "hey thats not alowed!"
Well dah if itd within the confine of the game than anything is allowed.
As for satanist and satanic masses thats all a joke.
See you take the christian piont of view and swollow it whole you'll believe it.
But I rather find out myself through people who do practice that religion.
I have read the satanic bible and it stands quite well compaired to the bible.
It's even logical and down to earth.
but I still will walk my own path and digest things on my own than to have half baked belief shoved down my throat! I was raised a catholic and was raised in fear. Thats not a religion!
Now I wonder how much damage I have to deal with and turn around to be sane again/

 

[El Barto]

Daniel, was a great prophet of God, yet his political position was that of Chief Magician in Nebuchadnezzar's court (Daniel 5).

The Greek word 'magoi' from which the word 'magic' is derived is literally translated 'wise man' and is used to describe the men of the east who brought gifts to the Christ Child.

From the point of view of adherents of Fundamentalist Christianity, the terms "magic" and "wizardry" connote practices involving collusion with devils, demon-gods, or Satan himself, and this has inspired persecution of those seen as practicing magic, most notably during the witch trials of early modern Europe. In this sense, the term 'magic' is typically outdated, although in the direct quotation of religious scripture it may have some limited usage in modern times.

The aforementioned outdated ethnocentric view of degrading magic is still quite common in modern scholarship. In attempting to define magic in relation to religion, a dichotomy of the two ensures the separation of them. One particular scholar that established a dichtomy in the early twentieth century was that of Marcell Mauss. In Mauss' A General Theory of Magic'', Mauss distinguished the two from one another with the use of a comparative analysis in order to better define what magic is and is not. By associating magic with more primitive societies and religion with more technologically advanced peoples, a clear trend of ethnocentrism was established in the studies of defining magic and religion. The definition of magic and religion are constantly changing, for the ongoing debate on the relationship between the two has begun to include a hyphenated version of magico-religious.

Medieval authors, under the control of the Church, confined their magic to compilations of wonderlore and collections of spells. Albertus Magnus was credited, rightly or wrongly, with a number of such compilations. Specifically Christianised varieties of magic were devised at this period. During the early Middle Ages, the cult of relics as objects not only of veneration but also of supernatural power arose. Miraculous tales were told of the power of relics of the saints to work miracles, not only to heal the sick, but for purposes like swaying the outcome of a battle. The relics had become amulets, and various churches strove to purchase scarce or valuable examples, hoping to become places of pilgrimage. As in any other economic endeavour, demand gave rise to supply. Tales of the miracle-working relics of the saints were compiled later into quite popular collections like the Golden Legend of Jacobus de Voragine or the Dialogus miraculorum of Caesar of Heisterbach.

Christian legend and myth also found fertile ground in the practices of alchemy. Through the perfection of metals the alchemists sought their own perfection and, indeed, the salvation of all matter. Through the mysterious and great work (magnum opus) of alchemy the alchemist dissolved, then fused, his own physical matter and spirit with the prime matter of the universe.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Science, notwithstanding, is at the basis of Magic, as at the root of Christianity there is love, and in the Gospel symbols we find the Word Incarnate adored in His cradle [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Three Magi, led thither by a star--the triad and the sign of the microcosm--and receiving their gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh, a second mysterious triplicity, under which emblem the highest secrets of the Kabalah are allegorically contained. Christianity owes therefore no hatred to Magic, but human ignorance has ever stood in fear of the unknown. The science was driven into hiding to escape the impassioned assaults of blind desire: it clothed itself with new hieroglyphics, falsified its intentions, denied its hopes. Then it was that the jargon of alchemy was created, an impenetrable illusion for the vulgar in their greed of gold, a living language only for the true disciple of Hermes. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Extraordinary fact! Among the sacred records of the Christians there are two texts which the infallible Church makes no claim to understand and has never attempted to expound: these are the Prophecy of Ezekiel and the Apocalypse, two Kabalistic Keys reserved assuredly in heaven for the commentaries of Magian Kings, books sealed as with seven seals for faithful believers, yet perfectly plain to an initiated infidel of the occult sciences.[/FONT]

wow informative. Fight psudo knowledge with knowledge. Hey when a priest gives a blessing isn't that some form of magic? This is why there's so many holes in this faith. If I wasn't a catholic before I wouldn't knock it down so much but I was on the other side and the light I saw was the train at the end of the tunnel comming at me. The prophicies in the bible what was that then. Take out the contradicitions your not going to have much left.

 

[marygaspe]

wow informative. Fight psudo knowledge with knowledge. Hey when a priest gives a blessing isn't that some form of magic? This is why there's so many holes in this faith. If I wasn't a catholic before I wouldn't knock it down so much but I was on the other side and the light I saw was the train at the end of the tunnel comming at me. The prophicies in the bible was that then. Take out the contradicitions your not going to have much left.

You'll probably find that most of us have progressed beyond this topic. Frankly, and no doubt I'll be slammed for this, I am getting a little tired of reading anti-Catholic rhetoric. You left the Church, fine. move on. Millions upon millions of us still have faith in the Church and what it stands for.

 

[ottawabill]

so many of these people mix up the religon with their personal experience with a member of that sect...

Which ever sect we belong to we are all seeking God, learning from Jesus teachings and trying to impliment them on earth..nothing more...

If a bad experience with a minister, father, pastor, other member etc made you leave , turn away and never look back...maybe you were never there for the faith to begin with...The word is not easy..It is hard....the road is not paved..it is rocky and bumpy. Churches are run by people, they make mistakes...they at times don't act very Christian, and at others they do..The faith is personal, the congregation is where members go to support each other...

btw I don't go to phychics and witches..why...because the book of my faith tells me not to? partly, but moreso because my faith makes me have no need to.

 

[selfactivated]

so many of these people mix up the religon with their personal experience with a member of that sect...

Which ever sect we belong to we are all seeking God, learning from Jesus teachings and trying to impliment them on earth..nothing more...

If a bad experience with a minister, father, pastor, other member etc made you leave , turn away and never look back...maybe you were never there for the faith to begin with...The word is not easy..It is hard....the road is not paved..it is rocky and bumpy. Churches are run by people, they make mistakes...they at times don't act very Christian, and at others they do..The faith is personal, the congregation is where members go to support each other...

btw I don't go to phychics and witches..why...because the book of my faith tells me not to? partly, but moreso because my faith makes me have no need to.

Its easy to dismiss someones experiences if you've never had them. Moving on is a great deal harder said than done. I know this thread has some very bad background to it but maybe we can use it as a dialog instread of a sword. Just a suggestion.

 

[Sparrow]

This thread should be used to get to know each other and learn what we have in common. There is always something to learn from other people.

 

[selfactivated]

Sparrow dat kitty kat wants that Sparrow! LOL I LOVE it! Bart reminds me of me a month ago, hurt and angry. But I could be wrong (Im hardly EVER wrong ) I wish I had a magic potion for tolerance........Wait......I do.........Knowledge