If working for the Catholic Children's Aide is so distasteful to you, you are certainly free to quit and work for a secular organization more in line with your version of correct behaviour.
The New Paganism and the Culture of Death
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If working for the Catholic Children's Aide is so distasteful to you, you are certainly free to quit and work for a secular organization more in line with your version of correct behaviour.
Did you not just claim, in previous postings, that you worked for them? I must have misunderstood you.And it's not insulting at all. I would suggest the same thing to anyone who complains about their jobs.
useless to mention the issue of responsibility, individual or collective, to Sanctus. He skillfully avoids it everytime it comes up. In Russia we have a saying, that applies real well to this kind of people - wriggles like a grass-snake under the pitchfork.
Sanctus, I probably formulated my question poorly due to my poor English. What I wanted to know was not the history of the issue, or what the Bible says about it, but the REASON why it is done. I will right now give you a very controversial point concerning baptism.
Every existing religion has some kind of ritual, that officially makes a person a part of that religious egregor. During that ritual the person comes before the God(s) of that egregor, gets noticed, and some certain rules of behavior are imprinted into that person. Needless to say, that these rules are the rules of the religion in question. And afterwards, no matter whether the person practices the religion he was introduced into, or not, his or her life is in a very big way governed by these principles. Roughly speaking, you may have been baptized long time ago, not consider yourself a christian, and work an Sundays any week you like, and be comfortable with it. But subconsciously you know that you are doing a wrong thing, and this knowledge starts working in your life. This applies to every religion, not just christianity.
However, christianity is one of the few religions, that insists on a person's being introduced into its egregor when the person is too small to decide and to answer for his actions. And the principles that are imprinted into a person during your ritual are - be a slave, think like a slave, don't allow yourself the sin of free thinking; pleasure is sin, we were born to suffer and suffer we will; we are all bad and sinful and have to be saved (though what is sinful about a month old baby is more than I can imagine); don't ask any questions; don't question the actions of the church; church is holy because the church says so (this statement, that I have read many a time in this thread from you good Catholics is simply ridiculous. It's like I would say that I am President Bush, and my followers would believe me, just because I said so); our God is all love, but we have to killkillkillkill those who do not think so.
That is what baptism does to people. As the result, we have got robots or zombies, like Mary Graspe, Sanctus and a couple of others, who cannot answer a single question, who can only "paste and copy" other people's words, who can only quote, who have never once in their lives thought for themselves, judging from their posts. That terrible ritual is performed while a child cannot decide for itself. Therefore, even the smallest chance of escape from this brainwashing is refused. And once the ritual is performed, it is very hard to shake off its consequenses. For most people it is almost impossible, because christianity fills them with fear. Don't question your god, and that's it. Be a slave and be a sheep... What a sad thing....
Oh, yes, by the way - everything I've written above is based upon occult knowledge. Sorry if I made any of you sin by reading this ;-)
You're making erroneous errors based on assumptions.Frist off, infant baptism is for the parents who choose to raise their child in the Church. It is, as you correctly noted, the door into the church and is therefore necessary in order to proceed in its teachings. There is nothing wrong with a parent wishing to impart his or her faith into their child(ren).
Secondly, you assume a choice is never made. That is incorrect. The child, once being raised in the faith, receiving the initial Sacraments(Reconciliation(Confession) and First Communion) will than proceed to determine for him or herself if he or she chooses to accept that infant baptism made on their behalf. This is called Confirmation and occurs around the age of 12-13. This is, if you will, step two of the initial water baptism.
Many of us, raised in the church, leave it as teenagers and/or young adults. I did. Returning was a procedure of doubt which lead to exploration and finally acceptance.Your assumption that we cut and paste our answers is incorrect, since many of us have a hard go coming back to the Church, and only do so after a heavy intellectual process of seeking and accepting.
Like a garden, a parent will tend to the flowers, removing harmful weeds from the soil. It is in this vein that they baptize children, for they feel they are introducing their child into the garden of the Church.
To admit my mistake and to argue with you once again 
Confirmation is a ritual of Roman Catholic church. In the Orthodox Church, the other of the two largest christian denominations, there is no such ritual. And as we've got the Orthodox church in Russia, I didn't know there is such a thing in the Roman Catholic one. Actually, I did hear the name, but I never took the trouble to find out what that ritual is about. bad for me...
The problem is, the parents themselves do not realize the impact of the ritual. So, of course, they can neither explain it to their children, nor see anything wrong with it. And such things ought to be taught and explained.
Well, we agree here 100%. Catholics are funny people, in my experience. So ingrained are the early lessons of the Church, that when-ever something eventful happens in the life of an adult, the first thing they wish to do is contact the Church, for a wedding, baptism, Last Rites, etc. These people often do not live their faith nor do they attend Mass with any sense of regularity.but the minute they want something, they run to the Church. Personally I despair of this very much. I make it a point to teach people, as much as possible, what it is we believe and why it is important for them to believe it and call themselves Catholic.
Most of them let my words, or the words of others, rush through their minds. They are intent on "getting the deed done" and could care less about instruction into why it is important.
A priest in seminary once stated to our class that he would rather have 12 actual Christians as a congregation than a parish of 2,000 Sunday Catholics. He claimed that with 12 devout, serious Christians, he could accomplish more for God then with a lukewarm and passive mass of people.
This thought stays with me often. I actually am not all that fond of parish ministry. Most people do not see beyond the Mass and realize how much drudge work is involved in pastoring a parish. Most of the issues people bring to me have nothing to do with the faith at all. Mostly they are complaining about something to do with the building.
I feel most satisfied in outreach ministry to Senior's and my new task with the Half-way house. Here I can reach people actually thirsty for the Gospel and pastoral care.
New aged mumbo jumbo........self relience? self asteme? that kind of mumbo jumbo? I could go on for days comparing catholic magic and wiccan/shamanistic ect magic. Your cathalisicm mimics and mirrors the oldest magic in the world but you use is as if looking into a circus mirror.
I have no clue what cult your talking about in the 80's except the Jesus camps that crop up every two minuts. Satanism is NOT Paganism and the term is Wiccan NOT witchcraft and its MUCH older than a few centries old.
As for parents choosing for their children your quite right, a pedophile and child abuser would choose cathalocism for a church because the priest would mind their own business. In fact they would blame the child for being a temptress. Nice eh. Telling a 10 year old they got what they deserved.
But it's ok for the Catholics to be on an anti Pagan kick???
I love the selective outrage, opps, careful!!! Your bigotry is showing!!!
I'm not Catholic either, but he's right. Parents have a duty to raise their kids as they see fit, and in the religious traditions of the family. In fact, it surprises me that anyone would question this. i raised my kids in the Anglican church because my husband and I are Anglican. My next door neighbour is Buddhist, and they raised their kids in that faith, so why wouldn't a Catholic parent raise their kids in Catholicism?
Not bigotry. I'm not Catholic and not horribly religious. I just find that what's her name does an awful lot of whining and I suspect it is to get attention. Her constant references to child molestation get tiresome, and that is my right to say, isn't it?
I'm not picking on you, you just mention this stuff allot. Get over it, you're all grown up now, not 10 years old anymore.
So then you agree that we Pagans should raise our children in a fine Pagan home???
pffft!
Seems you are not very Christian at all...
What ever happend to compassion?
If you have the right to spew that venom, does she not have the right to express what happend to her, or are you as fascist as the Catholics in here?
Have you given much thought to the fact that not everyone can "get over it"? Some scares don't heal in a weak. Still no signs of Christianity here.