The New Paganism and the Culture of Death

[CDNBear]

As the kids like to say-whatever, paganism is the tool of the devil, and pagans are the fools who fall into the evil trap. Only the Catholic church holds the truth,,everything outside of the Catholic church is false.

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Some of the things outside the catholic church are reason, tolerance, beauty, love and the wisdom of trees.It is not the original evil trap but it is the biggest and the bloodiest. No one can fathom the misery poverty and death that have marked catholic history. It is particularly intolerant of women who it refuses to admit to the hierarchy, ever the slaves of christ never an officer of the order.Imagine professing love for an institution that considers them dirty and beneath contempt.:laughing7:

It's stuff like this that makes think you are quite intelligent and it also makes me like you more.

That is your opinion, not the facts. The priesthood is male only because Christ created it to be that way. We do not have the authority to change whatChrist commanded.

Just as your opinions of religions outside the Catholic Faith? You have no authority at all.

Actually in the original church both men and women conducted services (cathers) they were exterminated by the crew you love now. Christ had nothing to do with the formation of the church, I'm sure he would puke to see what has transpired in his name. Of course you are a slave of faith and know nothing of the truth, only the dogma of dirty old men.:laughing7:

Stop it! I was quite content in dispising you, lol. Keep up the good work though.

Nonsense. Christ did establish the priesthood. Please do not presume to tell me about the Church since you are obviously not Catholic. Let us assume we know our Church better than those outside of it.

But you presume to lecture us on our faiths, how hypocritical of you. In this case your "ass"umption, only makes an 'ass' out of you.

Christ was dead for a long long time before the church existed in it's catholic form. Most catholics are ignorant of thier own origins and the formation of the church and the body of superstition they follow, much of it stolen from pagans. No we don't have to think that you know very much about the cult they follow.

Here you go again, being well thought out and intelligent.

Ignore thisMary. you were right, most non-Catholics create fantasies about Holy Mother Church because in their heart of hearts they know they are wrong.

:sign5: . Just like the shyte you make up about anyone outside your faith? And the hypocracy abounds.

 

[sanctus]

Well, I note you've all been expressing as much love in my few days absence as before;-)

 

[CDNBear]

A love you set in motion, but hey, as you put it, "it isn't real", so it must be ok then, right sanctus???

 

[sanctus]

A love you set in motion, but hey, as you put it, "it isn't real", so it must be ok then, right sanctus???

I posted an article. I am not responsible for the words others contribute to that discussion. None of us can control the minds of others, and you know that!

 

[CDNBear]

I posted an article. I am not responsible for the words others contribute to that discussion. None of us can control the minds of others, and you know that!

I would agree, but as a preist, do you not feel some responsiblity to ask those that support your Church to act accordingly. I have, in the past called upon posters such as northstar to take it easy, though my profession does not oblgate me to.

Is it not your obligation to try and teach your fellow Christians to love, despite a differing view? Remain factual? Not lie? Use sense and reason, not hate?

What say you?

 

[sanctus]

I would agree, but as a preist, do you not feel some responsiblity to ask those that support your Church to act accordingly. I have, in the past called upon posters such as northstar to take it easy, though my profession does not oblgate me to.

Is it not your obligation to try and teach your fellow Christians to love, despite a differing view? Remain factual? Not lie? Use sense and reason, not hate?

What say you?

Perhaps, and depending on the situation and person. It may interest you to learn that I have PM'd several of the posters over the course of many threads, obviously to little effect.

I would further point out that though what you say on the surface is logical, there is also a point when each and every individual must be responsible for his/her comments.

It's a thin line, probably. In other words, to try and control the writtings of other people is problematic at best. Even when I do send private admonishments, it is after the fact, as it were.

 

[CDNBear]

Perhaps, and depending on the situation and person. It may interest you to learn that I have PM'd several of the posters over the course of many threads, obviously to little effect.

I would further point out that though what you say on the surface is logical, there is also a point when each and every individual must be responsible for his/her comments.

It's a thin line, probably. In other words, to try and control the writtings of other people is problematic at best. Even when I do send private admonishments, it is after the fact, as it were.

I would agree with your latter commentary, but must ask...

What seperates you from the preists that filled Mark Chapman's head with the percieved evils of Lennons music?

If you know such things draw forth the worst of your parisioners, do you not have a responsiblity to meter it with with the forth thought, that it may bring violence on others?

 

[sanctus]

I would agree with your latter commentary, but must ask...

What seperates you from the preists that filled Mark Chapman's head with the percieved evils of Lennons music?

If you know such things draw forth the worst of your parisioners, do you not have a responsiblity to meter it with with the forth thought, that it may bring violence on others?

Sometimes. Chapman was not Catholic, his head was filled with one of the pentecostal cults. there is not doctrine in the church condemning John Lennon's music.

 

[CDNBear]

Sometimes. Chapman was not Catholic, his head was filled with one of the pentecostal cults. there is not doctrine in the church condemning John Lennon's music.

Does it really matter what brand of Christianity? It all has its draw backs.

I appreciate your candure btw.

So in admitting that, do you have any regrets about some of the hate, from either side, that has been born of your threads?

 

[marygaspe]

I would agree, but as a preist, do you not feel some responsiblity to ask those that support your Church to act accordingly. I have, in the past called upon posters such as northstar to take it easy, though my profession does not oblgate me to.

Is it not your obligation to try and teach your fellow Christians to love, despite a differing view? Remain factual? Not lie? Use sense and reason, not hate?

What say you?

Seems to me that the main job of a priest is to say Mass. That is what I was taught anyway.

 

[CDNBear]

Seems to me that the main job of a priest is to say Mass. That is what I was taught anyway.

I have no doubts about what you were taught, it is evident in the withered vile venom you spew at very gentle people such as selfactivated, just because your view of the world is as antiquated weathered and withered as your avatar.

I guess you missed the part where the preist confirmed my assertions.

 

[sanctus]

Does it really matter what brand of Christianity? It all has its draw backs.

I appreciate your candure btw.

So in admitting that, do you have any regrets about some of the hate, from either side, that has been born of your threads?

I think it does matter, but that is another discussion.

Regrets, no, I do not think so. sometimes I'm amazed though, at some of the responses.

I look at discussions as an intellectual exercise and find that, if anything, I'm concerned when they do not stay at that level.

 

[CDNBear]

Then let me ask this...

Your watching or reading the news, as is apparently a fave pass time of yours, and you see a news broadcast. In this particular piece, you see some being led to a waiting Police car, in the time it takes to put the cuffed individual in the back, he/she blurts out that he/she had to kill them all, "they were all satianists!". Then sites, before the door closes on the sound byte, "I know they were, they're Pagans, a preist on line told me so!!!".

A tad far fetch 'perhaps', but what if? What would be your instant feeling? If it were to be found in a court of law, as the trial unfolded, that it was your words that percipetated this act, how would you feel? Would 'absolution' be enough?

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Sometimes. Chapman was not Catholic, his head was filled with one of the pentecostal cults. there is not doctrine in the church condemning John Lennon's music.

But if a pagan or homosexual person was spit on by an RC, you would have no issues with that?

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

I posted an article. I am not responsible for the words others contribute to that discussion. None of us can control the minds of others, and you know that!

I dare you to post an openly racist article attacking blacks or jews as subhuman "just to stimulate discussion". I disclaimer in your posts that you do not hold to the views of the author would be nice then. Are you saying you disagree with the article you posted?

 

[canadarocks]

I dare you to post an openly racist article attacking blacks or jews as subhuman "just to stimulate discussion". I disclaimer in your posts that you do not hold to the views of the author would be nice then. Are you saying you disagree with the article you posted?

So, if the guy is not the author of the article, but gets you to read it, the author is not responsible, the sharer is? Isn't that kinda like shooting the messenger?

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Do you think the in this case Sanctus disagrees with the author?

 

[canadarocks]

Do you think the in this case Sanctus disagrees with the author?

Well, I don't know. so what if he agrees or disagrees.. So what? Why is this so important. I'm kinda new to this forum, but it seems to me you're just looking for a reason to argue with Sanctus. Just my impression. Anyway, the point is the article, who gives a flying sh*t if he agrees or disagress with it?

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

I am so against that article it's not even funny. I am pagan and will not stand by when someone tries to portray myself and others who follow my spiritual path as Nazis and abortionist or calls us stupid and having the intelligence of snails. That article was posted to bring paganism in to disrepute and is a backhanded slap at all who practice paganism. All Sanctus has to do is admit that he does not agree with the article and believes that pagans have as much right to their personal spiritual path as any Roman Catholic and I will let his thread die an ignoble yet quiet death.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Remember the backlash against the UWO prof Philip Rushton who posted results of a study which indicated that blacks were not as intelligent as asians or whites. He tried to hide behind the line that it was science. Did he invetigate why blacks did less well on the tests? Did he try to find a reason? No, he conducted a thoroughly poor experiment. There was no hypothesis and no conclusion just results. Scientific theory requires hypothesis, experiment and conclusion. I could stand and say the sun will rise in the east and claim tenure at UWO if his poor science is to be accepted. No less than David Suzuki debated him publically in London on the basis this was poor science and unacceptable.

This thread is similiar. It is designed to put pagans in a bad light. This thread came out just after a reply to a post on the pagan celebration of Imbolc indicated that Imbolc is a satanic holiday. It is a deliberate act. The christian fundementalist here feel threatened by a rise in members who profess pagan beliefs. I do not believe for an instant that it is a coincidence. It is a deliberate act. This may be a Christian thread but the title of the post opened the door to rebutes from the pagan community here and enlightened "atheists".

I say it again. Sanctus tell all here you do not agree with the article posted and I will let it die.