The Failings of the Modern Left

[darkbeaver]

I may own my own business, I may be the boss, but I came from the blue collar industry, I treat my associates well. In fact, I don't call them employees.

But what you failed to acknowledge is, who makes the cars that the big three can't sell?

Not the suits.

The union boys and girls, that have shop stewards that whine and cry if forced to do more then their title entails. They fight change and initiative at every turn. That's a fact.


You forgot to include that the NDP did not turn down that raise, which they have the ablity to do. They can vote agianst it, but if passed, they can pass on collecting it.

I'm talking about North American Japanese production lines. They build a better product, because there is no restrictions placed on management associate relations. Management and associates talk over quality and manufacturing, to ensure that the customer gets the best possible product.

I know, I worked for a division of Honda for seven years. The programs they have in place, that would never even pass the employee doors of a union plant, work, they help productivity and quality.

Ya right, the left created the problem, the right just went along for the ride, so did the extreme left I might add. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your views. Why start now, you'll only get confused.

I couldn't agree more.

I haven't defended the rights, right to opress, I have been trying to hilite the lefts failings. Something most have failed to grasp. I take the right to task, just as much as the left. Something the hypocrits can not claim for themselves.

Allah be merciful, you have associates,in fact you don't call them employees, so these associates sit in the office with you right. If you employ them they're employees.You should associate words with meanings.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:

 

[Kreskin]

I have two Toyotas that were built in Ontario. Wouldn't Toyota be union there?

 

[L Gilbert]

I haven't defended the rights, right to opress, I have been trying to hilite the lefts failings. Something most have failed to grasp. I take the right to task, just as much as the left. Something the hypocrits can not claim for themselves.

Yeah. Seems nether can admit to their own glitches. Easier to blame the last guy that got in.

 

[gopher]

Ya right, the left created the problem, the right just went along for the ride, so did the extreme left I might add. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your views. Why start now, you'll only get confused.

Another f*cked up reply. Why bother answering to it.

 

[gopher]

both[/b] managed to keep us from improving our lives at the rate we could be improving.

A rational reply. True, extremists from both ends of the political spectrum are often too rigid to compromise and to approach a problem with the type of rationality needed to reach accords that could meet the needs of the public.

When Clinton was in office, he (a moderate) often signed bills that would be construed as conservative and others construed as liberal. Despite strong opposition to his administrations by the Republicans, his two terms in office were successful because of his ability to bring about compromise. By contrast, the Bush regime has been marked by a rigidity that seeks to promote a right wing agenda to the detriment of the USA and the world. The result has obviously not been a good one for the USA. We saw that during the Reagan and Bush, Sr years as well. Once again, it proves that the failings of the right wing far surpass that of the left and further explains why the left has reemerged.

 

[gc]

You forgot to include that the NDP did not turn down that raise, which they have the ablity to do. They can vote agianst it, but if passed, they can pass on collecting it.

Actually, they did turn it down:

Most of the nine sitting New Democrats, including party Leader Howard Hampton, have said they would donate any raise they get to charity.

Link

 

[gc]

I'm talking about North American Japanese production lines. They build a better product, because there is no restrictions placed on management associate relations. Management and associates talk over quality and manufacturing, to ensure that the customer gets the best possible product.

Could be because companies like Toyota recognize the problem of high health insurance costs and are dealing with it:

While most people know that American carmakers like GM, Ford, and Chrysler are in financial crisis due to employee health costs, you may not be aware that Toyota is also beginning to have similar problems. In an effort to nip this issue in the bud, Toyota has built an onsite health clinic into their newest plant in the hopes that it will help keep employee health costs low. According to the Detroit News, Toyota expects to have increased primary care and physician costs, but they hope this will be offset by a significant reduction in hospitalization expenses. Toyota will track the effectiveness of its clinic in terms of cost reduction and health outcomes.

Link ...or by choosing to come to Canada instead of the U.S., thanks to our lefty healthcare & education systems. Link

 

[CDNBear]

Allah be merciful, you have associates,in fact you don't call them employees, so these associates sit in the office with you right. If you employ them they're employees.You should associate words with meanings.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:

Well if you are referring to this office, yes, whenever they come over. If you are referring to my site office, they spend more time in it then I do. I work along side them, for themost part, I'm their b*tch. I know where you are coming from, I was there once too. I refuse to be like my employeers of the past. So no, you are wrong, they do not work for me, they work with me, thus they are my associates.

I have two Toyotas that were built in Ontario. Wouldn't Toyota be union there?

Nope, non union shop. As far as I know, instead of holding the company and customers hostage, like a union does with a strike. They just turn their hats inside out. Unless things have changed in the last lil while, they should still be union free.

Yeah. Seems nether can admit to their own glitches. Easier to blame the last guy that got in.

That about sums it up, but don't tell any of these guys, they won't have any of it.

Ya right, the left created the problem, the right just went along for the ride, so did the extreme left I might add. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your views. Why start now, you'll only get confused.

Another f*cked up reply. Why bother answering to it.

Why bother starting now, none of your replies in many of the threads I have seen you reply in, make sense, so why start now, no problem.

Actually, they did turn it down: Link

No they didn't, they knew they couldn't defeat it, so they will hand it off to charity, big woop, don't accept it, which they have the power to do, but won't.

Could be because companies like Toyota recognize the problem of high health insurance costs and are dealing with it: Link ...or by choosing to come to Canada instead of the U.S., thanks to our lefty healthcare & education systems. Link

No more like they know they will get a better product if they cooperate with their employees.

 

[gc]

No they didn't, they knew they couldn't defeat it, so they will hand it off to charity, big woop, don't accept it, which they have the power to do, but won't.

Would it have been more noble of them to donate the money to the government or to charity? Because refusing to accept it is the same as donating it to the government. Personally, I'd rather see it go to charity than the government.

 

[BitWhys]

Would it have been more noble of them to donate the money to the government or to charity? Because refusing to accept it is the same as donating it to the government. Personally, I'd rather see it go to charity than the government.

oh come on. you bit on that?

please

If my wife found out I turned down a 25% raise, whatever the reason, I wouldn't see her naked again until the afterlife.

 

[darkbeaver]

Well if you are referring to this office, yes, whenever they come over. If you are referring to my site office, they spend more time in it then I do. I work along side them, for themost part, I'm their b*tch. I know where you are coming from, I was there once too. I refuse to be like my employeers of the past. So no, you are wrong, they do not work for me, they work with me, thus they are my associates.
Nope, non union shop. As far as I know, instead of holding the company and customers hostage, like a union does with a strike. They just turn their hats inside out. Unless things have changed in the last lil while, they should still be union free.

That about sums it up, but don't tell any of these guys, they won't have any of it.

Why bother starting now, none of your replies in many of the threads I have seen you reply in, make sense, so why start now, no problem.

No they didn't, they knew they couldn't defeat it, so they will hand it off to charity, big woop, don't accept it, which they have the power to do, but won't.
No more like they know they will get a better product if they cooperate with their employees.

Winston, we were never at war with Eastasia:wave:

 

[L Gilbert]

oh come on. you bit on that?

please

If my wife found out I turned down a 25% raise, whatever the reason, I wouldn't see her naked again until the afterlife.

rofl. You have an overly demanding one, do you? Or just expensive tastes?

 

[CDNBear]

oh come on. you bit on that?

please

If my wife found out I turned down a 25% raise, whatever the reason, I wouldn't see her naked again until the afterlife.

ROTFLMFFAO

Winston, we were never at war with Eastasia:wave:

I'ld laugh, but you're not funny, lmao.

 

[BitWhys]

rofl. You have an overly demanding one, do you? Or just expensive tastes?

heh

What I CAN tell you is that if she is she picked the wrong hombre.

 

[Zzarchov]

Lets be fair here, Unions exist because they needed to.

The problem is the same as not having unions. Lack of control, people are not hive society animals. The only reason we can exist as massive societies is because of proper controls. If you let any group of people have too much unrestricted power they will pretty much instantly ruin the whole thing.

Too much corporate power and we end up with United Fruit and Standard Fruit (now rebranded Dole and Chiquita) commiting genocide and toppling governments. Too much union power and we have a useless decaying economy and scores of Mob Ties.

Is it really too much to ask that we keep an eye on things which can cripple our country? Is it so hard to pay attention and keep it fine tuned?

 

[gopher]

Bush's Poll Numbers - Proof of Right Wing Failure

PollingReport.com
PRESIDENT BUSH – Overall Job Rating in recent national polls

See also: Complete trend

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FOX/Opinion Dynamics RV 1/30-31/07 38 54 8 -16

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Newsweek 1/24-25/07 30 64 6 -34

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Time RV 1/22-23/07 37 59 4 -22

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CNN/Opinion Research Corp. 1/19-21/07 34 63 3 -29

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CBS 1/18-21/07 28 64 8 -36

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NBC/Wall Street Journal​

1/17-20/07 35 60 5 -25

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ABC/Washington Post 1/16-19/07 33 65 2 -32

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Newsweek 1/17-18/07 31 62 7 -31

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AP/AOL 1/16-18/07 36 61 * -25

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Gallup 1/15-18/07 36 61 3 -25

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FOX/Opinion Dynamics RV 1/16-17/07 35 58 7 -23

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L.A. Times/Bloomberg 1/13-16/07 39 59 2 -20

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Pew 1/10-15/07 33 59 8 -26

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USA Today/Gallup 1/12-14/07 34 63 4 -29

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Diageo/Hotline RV 1/11-14/07 35 62 3 -27

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CNN/Opinion Research Corp. 1/11/07 35 62 3 -27

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AP-Ipsos 1/8-10/07 32 65 * -33

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USA Today/Gallup 1/5-7/07 37 59 4 -22

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CBS 1/1-3/07 30 63 7 -33


http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm



War, unprecedented deficits, inflation, loss of alliances, and increased terrorism thanks to Bush stupidity. Hitler, Mussolini, Salazar, Franco, Stroessner, Rios-Montt, and all other fascists have been defeated by the forces of democracy. And whether anybody likes it or not, the Bush campaign of imperialistic terrorism will be thoroughly defeated as well. Incontrovertible proof of the failure and stupidity of right wingism.

 

[talloola]

What I see in Canada and the U.S., is most people taking a firm stand "against" the other side, in
politics, and it doesn't matter how sensible either party could be on any issues, the other side just
trashes them anyway.
I think it is damaging and frustrating. I watch much of the U.S. political campaigning, and it is
nothing more than a sideshow, and a trashing contest, and the same in Canada in a smaller way.

I can't stand it anymore, why can't people do what is "best" for the country, and all of this "crap"
about the "wrong left" and the "wrong right" makes them all blind to what is "moderate" and
best for all of us. Nobody in politics really cares about "us" at all. It has always been that way,
and we will have to stand back and watch all of them do the same for the rest of our lives, it is
so "wrong" by all parties.

 

[darkbeaver]

What I see in Canada and the U.S., is most people taking a firm stand "against" the other side, in
politics, and it doesn't matter how sensible either party could be on any issues, the other side just
trashes them anyway.
I think it is damaging and frustrating. I watch much of the U.S. political campaigning, and it is
nothing more than a sideshow, and a trashing contest, and the same in Canada in a smaller way.

I can't stand it anymore, why can't people do what is "best" for the country, and all of this "crap"
about the "wrong left" and the "wrong right" makes them all blind to what is "moderate" and
best for all of us. Nobody in politics really cares about "us" at all. It has always been that way,
and we will have to stand back and watch all of them do the same for the rest of our lives, it is
so "wrong" by all parties.

No you don't have to stand back and watch, that's the attitude that bred the situation, get involved, it's your country, it's your duty as a citizen.:wave:

 

[CDNBear]

Lets start with banning unions.

Nothing like the unions that stand for the little man...

Plan presented today that could keep GO Transit on track, even if CN conductors go on strike

Friday, February 02, 2007 - 08:03 AM
By: John Stall

Toronto - The conductors will look like 'good guys' if the Canadian National Railway goes along with a plan that the Toronto Star says will be faxed this morning by the transportation union to CN offices.
It is described as a "goodwill gesture" by the conductors union who say their labour beef is not with GO Transit, and that they do not want to use commuters as pawns.
So a plan is being presented today to CN head offices in Chicago, Montreal and Toronto. If the proposal is approved, it could keep GO Transit on track, even in the CN conductors go off the rails with a national strike.
We should know around 12 noon today what the outcome will be.
The deal will stop a strike, but is designed to exempt GO Transit from any strike action.
The union's offer is for the 109 conductors who run GO trains to take turns running the system instead of walking the picket line, and to donate 50 per cent of their pay to the Hospital for Sick Children.
Reports say this gesture might even rub off on the actual contract negotiations, which are underway to avoid a full blown strike by the Feb. 9.
Both sides of this dispute have acknowledged that although GO Transit and commuters who rely on the system have been caught in the middle, that was not their intent.

http://680news.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20070202_080339_596

Nothing like holding the little man hostage, while you work to rule!!!

 

[darkbeaver]

Lets start with banning unions.

Nothing like the unions that stand for the little man...

Plan presented today that could keep GO Transit on track, even if CN conductors go on strike

Friday, February 02, 2007 - 08:03 AM
By: John Stall

Toronto - The conductors will look like 'good guys' if the Canadian National Railway goes along with a plan that the Toronto Star says will be faxed this morning by the transportation union to CN offices.
It is described as a "goodwill gesture" by the conductors union who say their labour beef is not with GO Transit, and that they do not want to use commuters as pawns.
So a plan is being presented today to CN head offices in Chicago, Montreal and Toronto. If the proposal is approved, it could keep GO Transit on track, even in the CN conductors go off the rails with a national strike.
We should know around 12 noon today what the outcome will be.
The deal will stop a strike, but is designed to exempt GO Transit from any strike action.
The union's offer is for the 109 conductors who run GO trains to take turns running the system instead of walking the picket line, and to donate 50 per cent of their pay to the Hospital for Sick Children.
Reports say this gesture might even rub off on the actual contract negotiations, which are underway to avoid a full blown strike by the Feb. 9.
Both sides of this dispute have acknowledged that although GO Transit and commuters who rely on the system have been caught in the middle, that was not their intent.

http://680news.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20070202_080339_596

Nothing like holding the little man hostage, while you work to rule!!!

Help yourself Bear, ban them if you like, destroy your right of assembly and association and then see how you whine when your bussiness group is banned with the same powers. You might not like unions but you probably belong to some. Take away the right to strike and they'll make us work in dangerous conditions for as little as they like. You're on one side of the bargaining table
there are millions on the other.