Religion Questions to ponder.
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Oh, very nicely, concisely, and eloquently said. I know exactly how you feel. Remember that line from the old Christmas carol about Good King Wenceslas when he tells his page, "Bring me flesh and bring me wine...?" Flesh is meat, something to eat, not me.
talloola:
The reason I injected the "sin" questions is that it's common these days to place blame on something else, and for believers not going to Church is no exception. Many use the "I just discovered my preacher was a sinner" excuse, when in their conscience they were waiting for any excuse to cop out.
But I was quite surprised that the first person to get it right was a non believer, as this is basic stuff
taught in all denominations.
So I think the non believers deserve a high five in this thread.!!!ccasion9:
Thanks all for your contribution. Food for thought..
AndyF
Sin can not be known unless it is revealed by God. This is an absolute!
Apart from God, sin does not exist. If one does not believe in God, then one does not believe in sin as defined by God, therefore, sin does not exist.
Sin then has to be exposed to be sin.
The story of Adam and Eve found themselves naked not because of the physical eye, but because of knowledge gained, did they know that they were naked.(Separated from God)
Naked, not as without clothes, but not being in the presence of God: Separated from God as depicted by the expulsion from the Garden of Eden.
The expulsion (Separation from God) is spiritual death: thus sin.
The creation of flesh then was created in a sin state.
If, an un-believer believes in sin, then they believe in God!
Deny sin is to deny God.
These are observations based on my knowledge of Gods works and the answers given here and another thread by the unbelievers which only confirmed my understanding of the sin question.
Peace>>AJ:love9:
So it's okay to kill, covet, and con then, cuz it doesn't exist for me. Cool. Still don't wanna do that stuff.
What kinda meds are you on?
I call it sin because it's convenient, being only a word in the dictionary. Any other time they are crimes or woefully stupid. So I think you should observe that.
What thread is that? Sanctus' thread about how we can free ourselves from our sinfulness?
So, sin being an offense against god, if there is no god, which I believe to be almost certainly a true claim, how does it follow that sin even *can* be exposed as sin, never mind having to be?
From Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: 1sin
Pronunciation: 'sin
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sinne, from Old English synn; akin to Old High German sunta sin and probably to Latin sont-, sons guilty, est is -- more at [SIZE=-1]IS[/SIZE]
1 a : an offense against religious or moral law b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible <it's a sin to waste food> c : an often serious shortcoming : [SIZE=-1]FAULT[/SIZE]
2 a : transgression of the law of God b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God
synonym see [SIZE=-1]OFFENSE[/SIZE]
Notice the parts in red? Sin isn't only applicable to religion anyway. How do you square that circle, Looky?
Main Entry: 1sin
Pronunciation: 'sin
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sinne, from Old English synn; akin to Old High German sunta sin and probably to Latin sont-, sons guilty, est is -- more at [SIZE=-1]IS[/SIZE]
1 a : an offense against religious or moral law b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible <it's a sin to waste food> c : an often serious shortcoming : [SIZE=-1]FAULT[/SIZE]
2 a : transgression of the law of God b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God
synonym see [SIZE=-1]OFFENSE[/SIZE]
Notice the parts in red? Sin isn't only applicable to religion anyway. How do you square that circle, Looky?
Looky here bro, you just proved my point. Number 1 gives the definition: “an offense against religious or moral law”.
And you further added Number 2: “transgression of the law of God”.
And again you added a third: Offense!
The offense of sin is expulsion.
Means death!
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Well, seeing as gods don't exist except in human's minds, the only definitions that work in reality are 1a. an offense against moral law, 1b. an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible, or 1c. an often serious shortcoming.
BTW, I didn't add #2, it's what was written in Merriam-Webster. And what you call #3 wasn't a definition, it was a synonym. Not too familiar with dictionaries, are you?