IBM and Nazi connection

[Logic 7]

http://news.com.com/Probing+IBMs+Nazi+connection/2009-1082_3-269157.html


Funny to see how people here draw connection beetween nazi and arab, but doesnt show that very harsh connection.

Probing IBM's Nazi connection
By Paul Festa
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
June 28, 2001, 4:00 a.m. PT
Since its publication in February, Edwin Black's book "IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation" has stirred unprecedented controversy among students of the Holocaust, American enterprise and information technology.

On the book's release, Holocaust survivors filed suit against IBM for its alleged role in the Holocaust; Gypsies earlier this month threatened their own lawsuit.

Though the first suit was withdrawn and the second has yet to be filed, hundreds of critics and historians have weighed in against the company, with others coming to its defense. The range of the controversy can be gleaned from the pages of BusinessWeek alone, which in a March review excoriated the "illogical, overstated, padded, and sloppy" book for fostering "a new myth--the automated Holocaust," and in an April commentary said the "enlightening" book "should be required reading for every first-year MBA student."

At the heart of Black's argument is that information technology--in the form of IBM's Hollerith punch-card machines--provided the Nazis with a unique and critical tool in their task of cataloguing and dispatching their millions of victims.

As the book's title suggests, Black attempts to establish that IBM didn't merely vend its products to Hitler--as did many American companies--but maintained a strategic alliance with the Third Reich in which it licensed, maintained and custom-designed its products for use in the machinery of the Holocaust.

 

[CDNBear]

I hate to burst your bubble, but all the educated people here are more then aware of American companies exploiting slave labour in nazi Germany.

Henry Ford was the first foriegner to be awarded (and accepted) the Grand Cross of the Order of the German Eagle, from the Third Reicht, he was a vocal and financial supporter of the nazi party and specifically Hitler.

So did GM I belive, I can not remeber all the details though.
He used Jewish slaves in his German plants. No hidden facts here, I believe Ford and GM made reperations to the effct years ago. They DO NOT CONTINUE the practice today, like those nazi party's you support in the ME.

So what's your problem? You're an anti semite nazi, I figured you would be glad to see Jews used as slaves?

We aren't hiding anything Logic, we know all this. Amends were made and they no longer use Jewish slaves. This is common knowledge. I'm surprised it took you this long to come up with this to use for your nazi agenda.

btw, I didn't draw a connection between the nazi's and the Arabs. The connection was made by them. It is historical fact, get over it. Just because it exposes its defenders as nazi supporters and you don't like that, is neither here nor there.

 

[Logic 7]

I hate to burst your bubble, but all the educated people here are more then aware of American companies exploiting slave labour in nazi Germany.

Henry Ford was the first foriegner to be awarded (and accepted) the Grand Cross of the Order of the German Eagle, from the Third Reicht, he was a vocal and financial supporter of the nazi party and specifically Hitler.

So did GM I belive, I can not remeber all the details though.
He used Jewish slaves in his German plants. No hidden facts here, I believe Ford and GM made reperations to the effct years ago. They DO NOT CONTINUE the practice today, like those nazi party's you support in the ME.

So what's your problem? You're an anti semite nazi, I figured you would be glad to see Jews used as slaves?

We aren't hiding anything Logic, we know all this. Amends were made and they no longer use Jewish slaves. This is common knowledge. I'm surprised it took you this long to come up with this to use for your nazi agenda.

btw, I didn't draw a connection between the nazi's and the Arabs. The connection was made by them. It is historical fact, get over it. Just because it exposes its defenders as nazi supporters and you don't like that, is neither here nor there.

You try to link hezbollah and hamas to nazi, where in fact, nothing in what you shows proved that link, when in fact the bushes, karl roves grandfather, and arnold the retards from californie had direct connection to nazi, those you support all the way, why don't you bring this ???



http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi German.

 

[CDNBear]

You try to link hezbollah and hamas to nazi, where in fact, nothing in what you shows proved that link, when in fact the bushes, karl roves grandfather, and arnold the retards from californie had direct connection to nazi, those you support all the way, why don't you bring this ???



http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi German.

Umm, I challenge you to prove I have ever supported any of them. Seriously, you have now accused me of supporting these people. Prove it!!!

You can't, but I can prove that I have quetioned GW Bush's motives and actions, several times.

I have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Hezbollah and Hamas are the great grand children og the Arab Brotherhood. An organization that was created to support nazi ideology in the ME. You can say it isn't so until the cows come home. It won't change history of the facts. IT IS AN HISTORIC FACT. PROVE it wrong, grow up, get over it and move on. You can not win. nazi's never do.

 

[Logic 7]

Umm, I challenge you to prove I have ever supported any of them. Seriously, you have now accused me of supporting these people. Prove it!!!

You can't, but I can prove that I have quetioned GW Bush's motives and actions, several times.

I have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Hezbollah and Hamas are the great grand children og the Arab Brotherhood. An organization that was created to support nazi ideology in the ME. You can say it isn't so until the cows come home. It won't change history of the facts. IT IS AN HISTORIC FACT. PROVE it wrong, grow up, get over it and move on. You can not win. nazi's never do.

You havent prove nothing at all, you try to link them withouth success, when in fact there is link beetween the bushes , the nazi and many others that support israel and united states today.


I have to admit though, i 've read couple of your thread, and they are mostly pro-native indians, which i mostly agree with, and i realize that you are not a pro-bush, which is a very good start, besides that, i don't agree what you think of hezbollah.

The only one who is follwing nazi ideologie in ME ,is israel, Hannah Arendt and Albert Einstein descrisbed israel as a fascist states, where they get inspired from the nazi, both were greath peoples, one was considered as the best phylosopher of all time, and Einstein doesnt need presentation. BOth were jewish and Arendt survived the Holocost.

 

[Sassylassie]

Blah, blah blah blah, CSIS get this evil little illegal Alien out of my god damn country. Dumber than a hedge fence and twice as dense. Blah blah blah blah, US evil Hamas praise Allah and the goat but America is evil. Blah blah blah blah, mon dieu tabernac.

 

[Logic 7]

Blah, blah blah blah, CSIS get this evil little illegal Alien out of my god damn country. Dumber than a hedge fence and twice as dense. Blah blah blah blah, US evil Hamas praise Allah and the goat but America is evil. Blah blah blah blah, mon dieu tabernac.

not tabernak, but tabarnack.

 

[CDNBear]

You havent prove nothing at all, you try to link them withouth success, when in fact there is link beetween the bushes , the nazi and many others that support israel and united states today.


I have to admit though, i 've read couple of your thread, and they are mostly pro-native indians, which i mostly agree with, and i realize that you are not a pro-bush, which is a very good start, besides that, i don't agree what you think of hezbollah.

The only one who is follwing nazi ideologie in ME ,is israel, Hannah Arendt and Albert Einstein descrisbed israel as a fascist states, where they get inspired from the nazi, both were greath peoples, one was considered as the best phylosopher of all time, and Einstein doesnt need presentation. BOth were jewish and Arendt survived the Holocost.

I haven't tried to link them, I did link them. Several times. With supporting documentation. Your failure to accept history, well actual, factual history, that does not support you dellusional beliefs, is what prevents you from understanding that I have.

Hannah Arendt died in 1975, Albert Einstein in 1955. I hardly see there antiquated conjecture about Israel, being relevant in contemporary terms. Israel has come along way. Neither claimed that Israel was following the nazi doctrine. As you would have us believe.

As much as I hate to quote the wiki, this piece is easily documented and substanciated...

While Einstein was a supporter of Zionism in the cultural sense, he often expressed reservations regarding its application in terms of nationalism. During a speech at the Commodore Hotel in New York, he told the crowd "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain."[53] He also signed an open letter published in the New York Times condemning Menachem Begin and his nationalistic Herut party, especially for the treatment of the indigenous Arabs at Deir Yassin by Herut’s predecessor Irgun.

This sort of dismisses your views and replces them with his phylosophy in its correct context.

I believe at one point Israel may have followed the doctrine of Zionism, but you can hardly connect Zionism and self defence. If Zionism was the driving force of the Israeli issue, then they would not have returned the Sinia to Egypt. Another fact you seem to not understand. Another being that the Hezbollah seemed not to take issue with Syrias occupation of Palestine, when Palestinians seemed to be quite upset by it. Why do you think that is logic? It is because they are a terrorist group, set up to wage war against Israel, not actually defend Palistine or Lebanon. Or can you provide some proof, otherwise?

 

[Logic 7]

I haven't tried to link them, I did link them. Several times. With supporting documentation. Your failure to accept history, well actual, factual history, that does not support you dellusional beliefs, is what prevents you from understanding that I have.

Hannah Arendt died in 1975, Albert Einstein in 1955. I hardly see there antiquated conjecture about Israel, being relevant in contemporary terms. Israel has come along way. Neither claimed that Israel was following the nazi doctrine. As you would have us believe.

As much as I hate to quote the wiki, this piece is easily documented and substanciated...

While Einstein was a supporter of Zionism in the cultural sense, he often expressed reservations regarding its application in terms of nationalism. During a speech at the Commodore Hotel in New York, he told the crowd "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain."[53] He also signed an open letter published in the New York Times condemning Menachem Begin and his nationalistic Herut party, especially for the treatment of the indigenous Arabs at Deir Yassin by Herut’s predecessor Irgun.

This sort of dismisses your views and replces them with his phylosophy in its correct context.

I believe at one point Israel may have followed the doctrine of Zionism, but you can hardly connect Zionism and self defence. If Zionism was the driving force of the Israeli issue, then they would not have returned the Sinia to Egypt. Another fact you seem to not understand. Another being that the Hezbollah seemed not to take issue with Syrias occupation of Palestine, when Palestinians seemed to be quite upset by it. Why do you think that is logic? It is because they are a terrorist group, set up to wage war against Israel, not actually defend Palistine or Lebanon. Or can you provide some proof, otherwise?

The speech by Einstein at the Commodore Hotel in New York was done before the creation of israel, actually in 1938.

You havent link them, it is your opinion, nothing in what you brought, shows the connection beetween hezbollah and the nazi, however nice try.

You make no sense at all, you take the side of the Native indians, which i mostly agree with, and has no mercy for the palestinians, what is wrong??

 

[CDNBear]

The speech by Einstein at the Commodore Hotel in New York was done before the creation of israel, actually in 1938.

You havent link them, it is your opinion, nothing in what you brought, shows the connection beetween hezbollah and the nazi, however nice try.

You make no sense at all, you take the side of the Native indians, which i mostly agree with, and has no mercy for the palestinians, what is wrong??

I fail to see the point in discussing anything with you, when I have clearly made the connection between the nazi's and the modern Islamic fundamentalist extremists, you just won't accept it, your problem, not mine.

I do not take the side of First Nations, I am First Nations. So I defend them when needed, or attack the stupidity we exude, when needed.

I have lots of mercy for the Palestinians, if you are referring to the Jews, Druze, Christians and Muslims that inhabited the area in question.

But if you are referring to the fictional people that call themselves Palestinians, that are Arab, that also wage a war against Israel's existance, then no, I have no mercy.

I side with Israel, because their situation, is most simular to that of the plight of the First Nations. Not the other way around as you incorrectly assume.

 

[Logic 7]

I fail to see the point in discussing anything with you, when I have clearly made the connection between the nazi's and the modern Islamic fundamentalist extremists, you just won't accept it, your problem, not mine..

I 've read your link twice on the row, and no there was no link whatsover, besides they are muslim/arabs, just like those muslim who side w ith nazi germany, when there is direct link beetween western politiciens and the nazi, that is something you can't refute.

I do not take the side of First Nations, I am First Nations. So I defend them when needed, or attack the stupidity we exude, when needed.

Ok then, i understand why, which again,i respect this all the way, still the oka crisis in quebec was handle with humanity, NO VICTIMS WHATSOVER IN OKA. JUST NONE.

I have lots of mercy for the Palestinians, if you are referring to the Jews, Druze, Christians and Muslims that inhabited the area in question.

Exact. however muslim in palestine were in greath majority, when jews were 5% of the total population, the problem started when Zionist from europe started to imigrates to palestine, after the WW1, in 1917, .Before that, jews and muslim were living peacefully , .you just can't refute that fact.

But if you are referring to the fictional people that call themselves Palestinians, that are Arab, that also wage a war against Israel's existance, then no, I have no mercy.

I side with Israel, because their situation, is most simular to that of the plight of the First Nations. Not the other way around as you incorrectly assume.

What zionist from europe and all over the world who has moved to israel in the begining of the 20 has in common with the First Nation??Just none.


Also , you need to know that Einstein and Hannah arendt were pro-israel/jews states before it was created, however as soon as it was created, they didnt like what they saw, that is why they wrote that historic letter to the New york time that paint israel as a fasist states, where they get inspired from the Nazi, and then Hannah arendt was labelled by crazy zionist as an anti-semite, quite funny for a women that survived the holocost.

 

[thomaska]

http://news.com.com/Probing+IBMs+Nazi+connection/2009-1082_3-269157.html


Funny to see how people here draw connection beetween nazi and arab, but doesnt show that very harsh connection.

Here a connection not brought up by Logic very often...the connection of the Nazi boot to (anything remotely French)buttocks.