Day of Infamy

[#juan]

I think the US had the DUTY to lynch Saddam. I think you did too Juan, I think we all did.

How much do we shout "never again" in regards to genocide, but here Saddam is..an architect of Genocide..and you say "Well maybe this time".

No, what happened needed to.

No I didn't have a duty, at least not if we had to kill a million Iraqis to do it. Destroying the country's infrastructure along with the bloody sanctions that killed over a half million children was genocide. I would rather have left him in power and paid an assassin to take him out. Do you really imagine that Iraq will survive as a country? The killing isn't even close to being finished.

 

[#juan]

I've been trying to stay impartial here and just read along, taking in the various facts. I asked for a link to another of juan's 'claims', with no response, I was just debating asking for a link to some proof of that very statement.

Bear,

This will come as a shock to you, but I don't do your research. You are as capable as most here to find information on the web. You might even like it.


ITN

Are you going to tell us that the hand picked puppets that the U.S. has installed in Bagdad are free to do as they like? The orders for the lynching of Hussein came directly from Washington and you know it.

 

[CDNBear]

Bear, This will come as a shock to you, but I don't do your research. You are as capable as most here to find information on the web. You might even like it.

Of course.

How silly of me.

I guess we can post whatever nonsense we can dream up and provide no real proof or evidence to back it up. But I wouldn't think of doing that. I'll leave that to the weak kneed liberal revisionists and Arab nazi party supporters like yourself.

Hey juan, you missed the opportunity to enlighten someone. I was following along looking to be informed by the varying positions, as I have doen in other threads. Once again my attempt to hold you in a light of respect has been shot out by your own BB gun. Good shot.

 

[Kreskin]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]30 December 2006 - a day of infamy [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Gabriele Zamparini, The cat's dream[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]30 December 2006 will be remembered as a day of infamy. In violation of international law and human decency, the quisling government of occupied Iraq, a puppet, sectarian regime installed by the American occupation and supported by Iran, assassinated the legitimate President of the Republic of Iraq, Saddam Hussein. It’s been reported that after his execution the assassins shouted: "Long live Muqtada, Long live Muqtada" [Moqtada Al-Sadr] It’s also been reported that Saddam Hussein was tortured before his execution and his body was mutilated afterwards. Another source tells us: "The video shows no blood on Saddam’s face and body, TV aired video of the body showed blood, cuts and bruises on the face." (...) After the initial silence on the real scale of the horror in Iraq, when the Iraq Body Count figures were used even by the antiwar movement in spite the apocalypse was already known and after the ongoing silence on the responsibility of the sectarian militias in mass murdering and ethnic cleansing, this other silence on the lynching of Saddam Hussein raises once again fundamental questions on the role of the Western left and the anti-war movement and forces each of us to an unpleasant but honest and necessary reflection. If a better world is possible, it starts at home.....[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Comments?[/FONT]

If the judge had not ordered the execution he too would've been strung up by the cave dwellers in charge. What a pathetic situation. The more I see what's going on over their the more I understand why Donald Rumsefeld was shaking hands with Saddam a year after he used gas. Saddam was at war with lunatic fundamentalists, the same nuts the west is fighting today. It's too bad we didn't let him have Kuwait so he could run the Saudis out as well. The perpetrators of 9-11 would've been strung up before they got to New York.

 

[I think not]

ITN

Are you going to tell us that the hand picked puppets that the U.S. has installed in Bagdad are free to do as they like? The orders for the lynching of Hussein came directly from Washington and you know it.

That is your personal opinion and nothing more. I would like to add that it is quite arrogant of you to presume the Iraqi's are incapable and or unable to govern themselves. I have seen your posts and you have always supported the United Nations, yet when the United Nations FULLY endorses the Iraqi elections (not to mention the EU and Canada), you don't buy it. May I ask why this double standard?

What is it that the UN, the EU, Canada and a myriad of other countries don't know about the Iraqi elections and you do? Here's the answer; you know nothing. You are expressing your opinion and are incapable of backing up your drivel with any facts.

If the Iraqi government are indeed puppets of the US, those countries who endorsed the elections (including Canada) should bow their heads in shame.

 

[#juan]

Of course.

How silly of me.

I guess we can post whatever nonsense we can dream up and provide no real proof or evidence to back it up. But I wouldn't think of doing that. I'll leave that to the weak kneed liberal revisionists and Arab nazi party supporters like yourself.

Hey juan, you missed the opportunity to enlighten someone. I was following along looking to be informed by the varying positions, as I have doen in other threads. Once again my attempt to hold you in a light of respect has been shot out by your own BB gun. Good shot.

If you think a post is nonsense, or even questionable, you have two choices. One, is to ignore it. Two, is to bring your own proof to refute whatever statement you dissagree with. This is your enlightenment for today. Don't hurt yourself....:grin:

 

[#juan]

That is your personal opinion and nothing more. I would like to add that it is quite arrogant of you to presume the Iraqi's are incapable and or unable to govern themselves. I have seen your posts and you have always supported the United Nations, yet when the United Nations FULLY endorses the Iraqi elections (not to mention the EU and Canada), you don't buy it. May I ask why this double standard?

What is it that the UN, the EU, Canada and a myriad of other countries don't know about the Iraqi elections and you do? Here's the answer; you know nothing. You are expressing your opinion and are incapable of backing up your drivel with any facts.

If the Iraqi government are indeed puppets of the US, those countries who endorsed the elections (including Canada) should bow their heads in shame.

ITN

Are you living in a cave somewhere in the wilds of New England? A civil war has been raging in Iraq for months now, That civil war is killing three or four thousand Iraqis a month. The current, puppet "president" can't wait to resign...I don't blame him.

If the situation is so rosy and enlightened in Iraq, why doesn't the U.S. just pull out and go home? I will tell you. If the U.S. left, the so-called government you speak of in Iraq could probably count their remaining time on this Earth in hours. They would be sought out and killed immediately.

 

[CDNBear]

If you think a post is nonsense, or even questionable, you have two choices. One, is to ignore it. Two, is to bring your own proof to refute whatever statement you dissagree with. This is your enlightenment for today. Don't hurt yourself....:grin:

So in other words, what you wrote was shyte and baseless nonsence?

I'ld accept that coming from the likes of you.

 

[#juan]

So in other words, what you wrote was shyte and baseless nonsence?

I'ld accept that coming from the likes of you.

You know I didn't say that. I said that if you think a post is wrong, it is up to you to prove it wrong. Yours is the type of bellicose, non-sequitur, drivel I try to stay away from.

 

[CDNBear]

You know I didn't say that. I said that if you think a post is wrong, it is up to you to prove it wrong. Yours is the type of bellicose, non-sequitur, drivel I try to stay away from.

Yes, because I back my shyte up with facts based on reality, not the lofty delusional lamentings of a liberal revisionist. You like to avoid nothing, you have pointed your bony self righteous fingure at me a couple times, trying to embarass or harass me, in the forum. Give up your quest for martyrdom, you haven't got half the skills your Dear leader Jean had, and he failed miserably too.

 

[Curiosity]

Juan

Well I celebrate your last raving because you have a new subject to gnaw on....other than the old ones you have been using for years....the U.S. late entry into the World Wars, the detonation of the two Atomic Bombs on Japan, the VietNam tragedy, their "foreign policy" which remains unnamed because Clinton was running the show (or pretending to)....the trade imbalance with Canada (softwood/bovine), unpaid bills for energy from Canada, and on and on and on....until the lastest daily death count you report with barely disguised superiority.

What a great patriot you are Juan - a true Canadian.

The very kind of personae you damn the people of the U.S. for.... patriotism.

I have the benefit of up close and personal comparison of the two nations and unfortunately for you they are not so different at all ... which must scare the hell out of you. As you say....

Cheers

 

[#juan]

Juan

Well I celebrate your last raving because you have a new subject to gnaw on....other than the old ones you have been using for years....the U.S. late entry into the World Wars, the detonation of the two Atomic Bombs on Japan, the VietNam tragedy, their "foreign policy" which remains unnamed because Clinton was running the show (or pretending to)....the trade imbalance with Canada (softwood/bovine), unpaid bills for energy from Canada, and on and on and on....until the lastest daily death count you report with barely disguised superiority.

What a great patriot you are Juan - a true Canadian.

The very kind of personae you damn the people of the U.S. for.... patriotism.

I have the benefit of up close and personal comparison of the two nations and unfortunately for you they are not so different at all ... which must scare the hell out of you. As you say....

Cheers

Judging by the responses, there was plenty of room for debate in all the subjects you mentioned, which is why they were posted.

I don't hate Americans, or damn them for their patriotiism. If I damn Americans for anything, it would be for their arrogance in thinking they can impose their particular form of democracy on a country where they have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of it's people, and destroyed almost all of the infrastructure. The civil war that has ensued was predicted by many but those predictions were ignored. Tell me you think the invasion of Iraq was a good idea.

.

 

[CDNBear]

Just a quick question juan...

What is your take on the blatant violation of International law, when Saddam fired SCUD rockets into Israel(a non combatant in that little escapade), during the Persian Gulf War part I?

 

[#juan]

Just a quick question juan...

What is your take on the blatant violation of International law, when Saddam fired SCUD rockets into Israel(a non combatant in that little escapade), during the Persian Gulf War part I?

These countries were the coalition in the first Gulf War. As you can see, that coalition contained a number of Arab states. In a desparate move, Saddam fired SCUDs into Israel hoping to draw Israel into the conflict. Had it worked, the coalition could have lost some or all of the Arab support. In hindsight, we know it didn't work. There is not much left to say about it.

s Kuwait
United States
United Kingdom
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Qatar
France
Canada
UN Coalition

versus

Republic of Iraq

 

[CDNBear]

These countries were the coalition in the first Gulf War. As you can see, that coalition contained a number of Arab states. In a desparate move, Saddam fired SCUDs into Israel hoping to draw Israel into the conflict. Had it worked, the coalition could have lost some or all of the Arab support. In hindsight, we know it didn't work. There is not much left to say about it.

s Kuwait
United States
United Kingdom
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Qatar
France
Canada
UN Coalition

versus

Republic of Iraq

So you see it as a strategic move?

 

[#juan]

So you see it as a strategic move?

What else? Why else would you shoot at a non-combatant while engaged in a war with eight other countries. Saddam should have sued Russia or China for selling him junk like the SCUDs that were only capable of hitting the ground..............somewhere.

 

[Curiosity]

Of course Juan.... let's hear your reasons....

I don't hate Americans, or damn them for their patriotiism. If I damn Americans for anything, it would be for their arrogance in thinking they can impose their particular form of democracy on a country where they have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of it's people, and destroyed almost all of the infrastructure. The civil war that has ensued was predicted by many but those predictions were ignored. Tell me you think the invasion of Iraq was a good idea.

I believe I have read enough of your criticisms of the United States to know with you everything they do is strictly personal with you. For some reason embedded in your brain you feel you have to carp at everything that country does, proclaim their errors self-righteously as if you were privy to all their reasons and never giving them the benefit of doing the work the world should be doing.

Carp away Juan - It is merely personal coming from you and has no basis in fact other than what trash you tend to pick and choose from the negative baloney the media prints out.

As I said before there is nothing you can do about it except relieve your hatred which may keep your BP under control. See even the U.S. is of benefit to you.

The invasion of Iraq

I have never enjoyed seeing three family members sent over to that hell hole - the Iraq people can look after themselves for all I care. They aren't worth one good U.S. life (or the life of any of the coalition members).... but because the U.S. chose to invade.... I have no say but I don't go off on a tirade which you do whenever you have the opportunity.... and you have lost nothing, given nothing, done nothing with regard to the invasion of Iraq except trumpet your irrational ire.

The Iraq Invasion is merely another reason to display your hatred for the United States.

 

[#juan]

the Iraq people can look after themselves for all I care. They aren't worth one good U.S. life

Do all Americans think like that? I would have though there would be some compassion for the million odd Iraqis the U.S. have killed, with bombs, bullets, or sanctions.

 

[L Gilbert]

As an ex-firefighter I can tell you that people are simply people, be they caucasian, asian, muslim, buddhist, christian, American, Brazilian, Chinese, etc. Ain't one worth any more than another when the bottom line is reached: we all die as our parts shut down, simple as that. Then we are about $5 worth of chemicals.

 

[CDNBear]

What else? Why else would you shoot at a non-combatant while engaged in a war with eight other countries. Saddam should have sued Russia or China for selling him junk like the SCUDs that were only capable of hitting the ground..............somewhere.

So Saddams actions were strategic, but the US's invasion of Iraq, or Israel's reaction to being bombarded with Hezbollah or Hamas rockets, is just criminal.

Me thinks, I smell your hypocracy again.

<snip>