Letter From Canada: The New Christian Right

[BitWhys]

But BitWhys

These aren't religious issues, even if religious conservative groups support them...

get it straight. I never said they were. that's kinda one of the points.

they're back...

court challenges and women's advocacy
women's advocacy

 

[Toro]

You asked for examples where Harper is forwarding his church's agenda. I gave you four of them, with references. There's nothing to disagree over. Either you choose to keep playing stupid or you don't. You chose.

But BitWhys

These aren't religious issues, even if religious conservative groups support them.

get it straight. I never said they were. that's kinda one of the points.

Semantics.

I imagine Harper, like many on the Right in Canada, would be promoting this policy regardless of what church they belong to and what their church was promoting. So to link this to some Religious Right agenda is specious at best.

Unless you want to be consistent and agree that the NDP called Canadian troops "terrorists".

 

[BitWhys]

Semantics.

I imagine Harper, like many on the Right in Canada, would be promoting this policy regardless of what church they belong to and what their church was promoting. So to link this to some Religious Right agenda is specious at best.

Unless you want to be consistent and agree that the NDP called Canadian troops "terrorists".

semantics my ass. Just because its not a religious issue doesn't mean the Evangelicals aren't forwarding it as part of their agenda.

from the wayback

The Institute for Canadian Values is a national think-tank dedicated to advancing knowledge of public policy issues from Judeo-Christian intellectual and moral perspectives as well as awareness of how such perspectives contribute to a modern, free, and democratic society.

We are a centre for news, research, and debate. Our mission is to serve Canadians who see value in greater consistency between Judeo-Christian perspectives and actual public policy or who seek a better understanding of how such perspectives can benefit policy and the public.

The Institute is a non-partisan, publicly-spirited organization whose activities are made possible by the generous contributions and tireless efforts of volunteers.

McVety writes for them and links to them from his word.ca website. That's a far cry from the parallel you're trying to draw.

The time has also come to end to all the silly, pseudo-intellectual talk about ‘separation of church and state’. Given a proper understanding of the nature of our secular liberal society – that secular liberalism is, in reality, a religion itself – it is clear that true separation of church and state is utterly unattainable.

- Joseph C. Ben-Ami - Executive Director of the Institute for Canadian Values
May 20th 2005

Tell me you can't figure out where the ICV's "vision" is coming from. Denial becomes you. really. it does.

 

[BitWhys]

and if the buried mission statement doesn't get the point across, try this on for size...

The purpose of this website is to gather, and make easily available to the viewing public , research, argument and commentary on a wide range of public policy issues, that either advances, or is consistent with, a Judeo-Christian perspective. ...

say it isn't so :evil3:

 

[Jay]

Semantics.
I imagine Harper, like many on the Right in Canada, would be promoting this policy regardless of what church they belong to and what their church was promoting.

And what of Tommy Douglas then, surley he must have been a very scary politician....

 

[BitWhys]

And what of Tommy Douglas then, surley he must have been a very scary politician....

Thank you for exemplifying the shallowness of Ben-Ami's assumptions.

 

[Toro]

Denial becomes you. really. it does.

Just like you keep denying the NDP don't think Canadian troops are terrorists.

 

[CDNBear]

You asked for examples where Harper is forwarding his church's agenda. I gave you four of them, with references. There's nothing to disagree over. Either you choose to keep playing stupid or you don't. You chose.

I read the link you posted, when referring to Colpy and myself, I'm not Christian and his position sounds good to me.

The majority of Canadians in a recent poll(I'm still looking for), would like to re-address the SSM, issue.

Personally, I could careless, but if the people want it, well then that's a whole other story.

I see nothing in that essay or any of Stevo's action as of yet, that denote a "Christain" agenda. A lot of pandering and stupidity, but hardly denominational.

 

[CDNBear]

semantics my ass. Just because its not a religious issue doesn't mean the Evangelicals aren't forwarding it as part of their agenda.

from the wayback



McVety writes for them and links to them from his word.ca website. That's a far cry from the parallel you're trying to draw.

- Joseph C. Ben-Ami - Executive Director of the Institute for Canadian Values
May 20th 2005

Tell me you can't figure out where the ICV's "vision" is coming from. Denial becomes you. really. it does.

So you are saying Christian "right" groups are advocating diminishing womans issues. The programs you highlited, are scams, users feeding off a corruption of sematics. Whether Stevie or the Liberals lopped off their funding, is rather irelevant, it should have been done. Just seemed like a smart move to me.

 

[CDNBear]

and if the buried mission statement doesn't get the point across, try this on for size...



say it isn't so :evil3:

So they agree with the Conservative actions, so what? So do I. I'm not Christian, it just makes sense.

 

[Tonington]

I have to agree with pretty much everyone here, that I don't really see any Christian agenda being pushed. I'm an atheist and I agree with some of Harpers proposals. Does that mean I'm pushing a Christian agenda? Hell no it doesn't.
Only the marriage issue is really backed by religious principles, which I don't agree with.

 

[Zzarchov]

Where do people pull this crap about Canada having a "Long Tradition of Anti-Militarism"...

There wasn't even one whole generation between wars? Many in Afghanistan had their fathers fight in Korea or WWII, and if not their fathers than certainly their grandfathers (for the young'uns), Canada has a strong tradition of Militarism outpacing the US of A.

 

[CDNBear]

Where do people pull this crap about Canada having a "Long Tradition of Anti-Militarism"...

There wasn't even one whole generation between wars? Many in Afghanistan had their fathers fight in Korea or WWII, and if not their fathers than certainly their grandfathers (for the young'uns), Canada has a strong tradition of Militarism outpacing the US of A.

Couldn't agree with you more Zzarchov.

From Vimy ridge(LWF) on, we have had a long and proud Military tradition in this country. You'll find that the opposite thoughts only seems to come from the elitist intellectuals that see the military as a dead end job for dead heads, and project there smug self righteous beliefs of their image of Canada, instead of seeing what Canada's history for what it really is.

 

[BitWhys]

Just like you keep denying the NDP don't think Canadian troops are terrorists.

Not "just like" at all. That claim says a lot about your sense of judgement.

Do the NDP maintain an officially endorsed statement of such a policy? McVety and the Institute for Canadian Values do. pony up or shut.

 

[BitWhys]

So you are saying Christian "right" groups are advocating diminishing womans issues. The programs you highlited, are scams, users feeding off a corruption of sematics. Whether Stevie or the Liberals lopped off their funding, is rather irelevant, it should have been done. Just seemed like a smart move to me.

I did more that just "say". I proved. Jay asked for examples. I gave them. It wasn't a question about the soundness of the policies.

 

[BitWhys]

... I'm an atheist and I agree with some of Harpers proposals. Does that mean I'm pushing a Christian agenda? Hell no it doesn't.
...

non sequitor. just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't either, although I will agree that a lot of what the Canadian Evangelicals are pushing these days isn't particularly Christian even though that's what they claim.

 

[Jay]

McVety and Harper seem to be interchangeable words for some reason I'm not aware of.

 

[BitWhys]

McVety and Harper seem to be interchangeable words for some reason I'm not aware of.

your words. not mine.

 

[Jay]

It's merely an observation I make of you.


Good try Bit, you fought well.

 

[BitWhys]

You ask me about the church's agenda and I'm supposed to talk about Harper?

I don't think so.