The Next Islamophobic Hate Thread

CDNBear

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And those who follow the terroristic ideas are ok, yes?


Certainly not to me.

Killing Ixil Indians as John Negroponte and Ronald Reagan did equates with Hitler. Ditto for the bombings and killings of Chechans. Indeed, all forms of imperialism and terrorism equates with these crimes. Therefore, we must condemn all such crimes and to refrain from doing so selectively.

Agreed?

Agreed, hence my posts about American globalization and/or "Manifest Destiny".

But that is well off the arguement, that it's ok for the fundamentalists to slaughter at will, because Christianity did it first.

Which seems to be your view. But I could be wrong, I've seen a trend there, when it comes to you.
 

Sassylassie

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Gopher wrote: It is time for the West to take a prolonged look into the proverbial mirror, to cease from its mythmaking, and to correct its errors. The Bible says blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the Children of God". These means that the true Christian is obligated to work for peace, not for war. A lesson that evidently has been lost on certain Westerners and for which they shall be accountable on the Judgment Day.

True Christians Gopher like the man in the article below? It's assine Gopher that you call those of us who fear Extreme Islam "Racist" so all knowing Gopher what to you call a country like Egypt? In Canada a Muslim can practice their faith with no interferance, they are free to wear a veil and pray. Why are they tolerated in the West when Christians are either slaughtered or jailed untill they can be murder in the ME and Muslim countries. We've evolved into a tolerant Nation where they have "Devolved" into Fanatics who kill for sport. Those whom scream we are Racist don't seem to give a rats ass about Christians do you.


October 18 (Compass Direct News) – A Muslim sheikh jailed in Egypt for 18 months has declared from his prison cell that he is under arrest for “insulting Islam” by becoming a Christian.


Egypt’s secret police transferred Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein el-Akkad, 57, to the Wadi el-Natroun Prison last month. He was told he would remain there indefinitely unless he agreed to work as a government informer against other converts to Christianity.

According to the prisoner’s Cairo attorney, Athanasius William, his client remains incarcerated in this desert prison “only because he has chosen a different belief, to be a Christian.”

El-Akkad was imprisoned without charges for more than a year after officials of the State Security Investigation (SSI) arrested him in Cairo on April 6, 2005.

Although subjected to repeated interrogations, the former Muslim was never told the specific accusations against him. But several of his cellmates spread rumors that he was converting and baptizing people into Christianity, sparking verbal abuse and at least one severe beating from a fellow prisoner.

El-Akkad after his arrestWhen the courts finally ordered El-Akkad’s release from provisional detention 10 weeks ago, SSI authorities deliberately ignored the ruling. Instead, they held him in their Gaber Ibn Hayyan office in Giza and then transferred him to the Wadi el-Natroun Prison, located 60 miles north of Cairo along the highway to Alexandria.

William told Compass it was strictly illegal for the SSI to have re-arrested El-Akkad and jailed him indefinitely “without the orders of a legally authorized official,” as required under Article 280 of the Egyptian penalty laws.

Disillusioned with Islam
In a series of handwritten notes smuggled out of prison in recent months and obtained by Compass, El-Akkad declared that he had “chosen the Christian faith” after years of research on Islam.

For more than 20 years, the former sheikh was a member of the fundamentalist Islamic group Tabligh and Da’wa, which actively proselytized non-Muslims but strictly opposed violence. He also led a mosque community in Al-Haram, in the Giza area adjacent to Cairo. In 1994 he had published, Islam: the Religion, a 500-page book reviewing the traditional beliefs of the Islamic faith.

But he became disillusioned, and five years ago the sheikh said he began to pray that he could somehow know God personally. It was not until January 2005 that he talked for the first time with someone who explained the tenets of the Christian faith to him. He began intensive study of Christian Scripture, and within weeks he became a follower of Jesus.

“This is a proof to all Muslims,” El-Akkad wrote, “that the person who studies the two religions from an objective and serious perspective will choose the Christian approach.”

But within two months, word of El-Akkad’s conversion to Christianity had reached the SSI, and secret police picked him up without warning from his private trade office.

Family Waits in Vain
After six weeks in SSI detention, El-Akkad was sent to Cairo’s Tora Mazraa Prison. When his lawyer, William, finally obtained power of attorney to visit the convert, he was told he was incarcerated under emergency law provisions on suspicion of “committing blasphemy against Islam.”

For the following year, El-Akkad’s detention was renewed every 45 days under emergency law provisions, even though he still had not been formally charged.

But this past July, authorities instituted a new law restricting provisional detention regulations, specifying that the length of provisional detention for a misdemeanor should not, “whatever the circumstances,” exceed six months.

El-Akkad was accused of “insulting a heavenly religion,” a misdemeanor under Article 98-F of the Egyptian penal code. So a Cairo court ordered him released on July 30.

After learning of the court-ordered release, El-Akkad’s wife and three children waited in vain for him to return home. Ten days later, William finally confirmed that although the convert had been released from prison, he remained in SSI custody in Giza.

Desert Prison
By mid-September, authorities transferred El-Akkad to the maximum security Wadi el-Natroun Prison, where the majority of Egyptian Islamists sentenced for anti-government activities are incarcerated.

Notorious for its Spartan conditions in the desert, the prison facility houses its prisoners in small cells measuring one by two meters.

According to William, his client is in weak health from prison, suffering from high blood pressure as well as skin diseases caused by extreme temperatures, unsanitary cell conditions and bites from insects and small reptiles.

“He is locked in a place where he may die because his age, body and mind cannot tolerate this cruelty and stubbornness of the state security authorities,” William said.

The attorney has received no response from a petition he filed to Attorney General Abdel Meguid Mahmoud on September 4 citing serious legal violations in El-Akkad’s case.

Although Egypt’s Christian citizens are free to embrace Islam and obtain legal Muslim identities, Muslim citizens are not allowed to change their religious identity. Those who become Christians are subjected to severe harassment by the SSI, which often arrests converts for either insulting Islam or “threatening national security.”
 

Chukcha

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If someone starts a string on these conflicts I will comment on them.

Just because someone claims they commit crimes in the name of Islam, doesn't mean that the majority of Muslims support that person or their crimes.

Also just because statements made by Muslims denouncing attacks on civilians don't make the news, doesn't mean Muslims were silent.
All these links you provided would have been usefull if they really were heard. But, the muslims around that I see just continue to curse the west, even those who live around the westerners.
Why this is happening - who knows, maybe their islamic leaders are not saying enough to make them understand that the land they live on belongs to the west to start with.
You know what comment I heard once: one day west will become muslim owned, just like the west once decided to own those lands
 

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Sassylassie says,

"It's assine Gopher that you call those of us who fear Extreme Islam "Racist"



I hereby make a challenge to Sassylassie: show me where I called you or any of my other critics a "racist". If you fail to fine where I specifically called you that term, you must leave this forum now and forever.

Do you accept that challenge?

Remember it was you who admitted to hating Islam and Catholicism (you even called yourself a 'Cathophobe') and that I belonged to the "elk" who wear white sheets. You even accused me of hating Jews while admitting to being a hater.

So, will you accept the challenge?

It's time to put up or shut up.
 

gopher

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I've seen a trend there, when it comes to you.


Just as you condemn Islamic apostate terrorism, do you or don't you condemn the same apostate terrorism from the West whether it happened yesteryear or continues to happen today?

A yes or no answer is all you need to give.
 

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Originally Posted by northstar

Well said SASSYLASSIE but Earth is into supporting the Jihad Muslims' and has confessed to this in another thread.



I'd like to see that quote. If you can't find it (and you won't because I have written no such thing), then the decent thing to do would be to apologize for your personal attacks on me which are not only against the rules on this forum, but also libel.

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Canadian Defamation Law

The common law protects every person from harm to their reputation by false and derogatory remarks about their person, known as defamation. In addition, all Canadian provinces have libel/ slander legislation (defamation includes slander and libel, where slander is verbal defamation and libel is printed defamation).

ohhhh?????????hmmm, Earth, why would being a Jihad Muslim be defamation?

Here you go again threatening me because it is you that is trying to intimidate others so that they have no freedom of speech. This is your third threat today.

So far you have defamed my character and personally attacked me accusing me of posting hatred and discriminating and then by pretending you have a gang of anonyomous friends that are outraged because l am exercising my right to freedom of speach and l chose to qoute holy scriptures. {In fact l have about 160 violent threatening qoutes to show all who wish to gain insight into your Muslim Jihad faith. }

You are intent on trying to denying me freedom of speech and you are continuously threatening me and defaming my character.

Similar to the way you chose to support anti-social behaviour that denys the rights of every Canadian by defending actions that are aimed to frighten our children and take away the rights of our freedom, laws and sociel system.

You should be ashamed of your conduct on this thread.

You have, within the span of twenty-four hours, done everything you can to justify actions that show intolerance and discrimination of honourable citizens, and now once again, for the third time today you have tried to turn the laws of this country around in order to deny Canadians the right to understand the issues at hand.

You should be ashamed of yourself to even try to state that you are behind the laws of this country when you blatenly deny others there freedom of speech.

You in fact are pushing discrimination and defamation of my character in that you have accused me of hatred, you have set out to try to intimidate me with a threat of our hate crime, any yet this is what you in fact our guilty of, you can't stand to hear anything about the Muslims' because you are one, and in that religion you are trying, like a rioter to use the laws of this country to stifle free speech. You should be ashamed of yourself...what a Jihad loser
 

gopher

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you have accused me of hatred


Interesting how I was accused of hate but nobody pointed to any specific language to prove it. Moreover, one of my accusers admitted to hating Islam and for hating Catholicsm.

Interesting ...
 

northstar

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Gopher, you are the grand salami in the technology of large print!!!! I learn from the best....
 

Chukcha

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I've seen a trend there, when it comes to you.


Just as you condemn Islamic apostate terrorism, do you or don't you condemn the same apostate terrorism from the West whether it happened yesteryear or continues to happen today?

A yes or no answer is all you need to give.
I wouldn't call Islamic terrorism apostate - we talked enough about it already.
As to condemning western terrorism, well, I wouldn't call it terrorism.:cool:
 

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``` I wouldn't call Islamic terrorism apostate - we talked enough about it already.
As to condemning western terrorism, well, I wouldn't call it terrorism.:cool: ```


I understand.

However, Islamic scholars who subscribe to Orthodox Islamic teaching have determined that terrorists such as al-Qaeda are apostate. They know their religion a lot better than those of us who do not belong to it. Therefore, they are in a better position to determine whether apostates properly subscribe to its true religious teaching.

As for western terrorism not being such, well, Hitler, Mussolini, and Salazar did not regard it in such a manner as well.
 

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To CDNBear,

Since you do not regard Western Christianity as terroristic or imperialistic (or so it seems) what do you make about the ultra right wing Evangelical Alliance cult which spread its hatred of Catholics and of Native Americans in Guatemala? In fact, it was the institution that prompted fascist dictator General Rios Montt to kill over 100,000 Ixil Indians in a campaign reminiscent of Hitler's extermination of Jews in Europe.

For more background, on this racist and genocidal campaign of imperialistic terrorism see the following:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/september/5.21.html

quote ...

"A U.S. State Department report, however, describes Rios Montt's 17-month rule as "probably the most violent period of the 36-year internal conflict, resulting in about 200,000 deaths of mostly unarmed indigenous civilians." A 1996 peace treaty ended Guatemala's civil war. In 1999, a U.N.-sponsored truth commission, called the Historical Clarification Commission, found government forces responsible for 93 percent of war deaths. President Bill Clinton apologized for support the United States granted to Guatemala's military rulers."


So it was Reagan who supported it but Clinton who ended the conflict.


See also:

http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1059765879

quote:


"General Rios Montt conducted a military coup on the Guatemalan presidency in March 1982. The U.S.-trained general, born-again with the Church of the Verb, a California-based evangelical denomination, unleashed the worst wave of killings in the country's history. Some 20,000 died at the hands of his death squads and the policy of scorched earth against Maya people, which would ultimately claim 200,000 lives, was perpetrated with brutal exactitude."


see also:

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/montt.html



As you know, Muslims did not engage in any such brutal campaign of imperialistic terrorism. But so called "Christians" did so. Their campaign exceeded Saddam's brutality and often matched Hitler's. Yet, we continue to see people complaining about things that happen overseas while ignoring what has been happening right beneath our noses all along.

You claim that I am not consistent in my condemnation of other people's evils. So how do you account for the inconsistency in the condemnatory viewpoints of others??????
 

northstar

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Oh brother!!! Here we are in 2006...oh wait.... l will make it GOPHER SIZE-

2006
now the question is- do you time travel now Gopher, because you are referring to something that is highly controverisal and happened almost 20 years ago, and suggesting that it is now under our very noses...

perhaps like pinochhio your nose grows with every falsehood and spans the 20 years of time travel...
 

northstar

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and Gopher, your comment about a lack of violence on the part of the Muslims...funny, those Jihad Muslims' that profess their faith is based on the teachings of the Quran use this as the violence handbook of values and morals for society, here are some direct examples-
Chapter 9, Verse 5:
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Chapter 9, Verse 29:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Chapter 9, Verse 123:
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).


I can continue because the Quran is full of violence and 'scourging' for all the non-Muslims.

And of course, this is what the terrorists have proclaimed is the basis for their murder and acts of terrorism on humanity.