Iranically Iran, Middle East’s Karen…

[Ron in Regina]

Scroll up about a foot maybe, depending on the size of your phone or screen. Post #516. This isn’t a full-time job for me. This is something I do between things mostly on the weekends, or with my 120 second mental health/nicotine fix breaks during the weekdays, or some downtime in the evenings, etc…

 

[petros]

Scroll up about a foot maybe, depending on the size of your phone or screen. Post #516. This isn’t a full-time job for me. This is something I do between things mostly on the weekends, or with my 120 second mental health/nicotine fix breaks during the weekdays, or some downtime in the evenings, etc…

Its pretty simple to fact check before you post rather than wasting your and my time defending shit debunked long ago. The proxy thing was debunked Oct 10 2023. 3 fucking days. 3 days after Oct 7.

741 days of insisting the same shit over and over as true that isn't true doesn't look good on you.

If it comes from AI it can all linked the old fashioned way. Some quoted info can come from hundreds of links. If I post 200 links, will you follow all of them? No, but you can click the one link to all of them. If you don't like the way a question is asked, ask your way. You're falling behind.

 

[Ron in Regina]

(YouTube & Israel's Game Plan Shatters: Iran’s Game-Changer Stuns the World)
Well, real or not, hasn’t Iran just placed a giant bullseye on itself. I wonder if they can convince the Taliban that they aren’t exaggerating things?

…or Maybe…Iran does have this capability.

Weird how the turn tables…

 

[petros]

(YouTube & Israel's Game Plan Shatters: Iran’s Game-Changer Stuns the World)
View attachment 31999Well, real or not, hasn’t Iran just placed a giant bullseye on itself. I wonder if they can convince the Taliban that they aren’t exaggerating things?
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…or Maybe…Iran does have this capability.
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Weird how the turn tables…

Wikipedia and Instagram didnt update in the last 12hrs but AI had it. Time to park the Model T.


Iran has reportedly developed the Khorramshahr-5 intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), which is claimed to have a range of 12,000 kilometers. If verified, this would enable Iran to strike targets across continents, including the mainland United States and Europe.

Key Details
Missile Name: Khorramshahr-5 (a fifth-generation variant of the Khorramshahr family).
Claimed Range: 12,000 km.
Potential Targets: This range would put the mainland U.S., Canada, and all of Europe within striking distance if launched from Iran. Major U.S. cities are approximately 9,500-10,000 km from Iran.

Status: Iran has not yet confirmed a successful test of an ICBM with this specific range, but reports in mid-2025 indicated development or preparation for testing.

Other Capabilities: The missile is reportedly capable of carrying a heavy warhead weighing around two tons and achieving speeds of Mach 16.

Official Statements: Iranian officials and state media have made claims about the missile's capabilities, framing it as a strategic deterrent.

Context
While the development has significant strategic implications, external military analysts and intelligence communities often view such claims with caution. The actual, proven capabilities are a subject of ongoing assessment, and the U.S. intelligence community has previously noted that Iran had not flight-tested an ICBM capable of reaching the United States.

Previously, Iran's declared range limit for its operational missiles was generally considered to be around 2,000 kilometers, sufficient for targeting regional adversaries like Israel and U.S. bases in the Middle East. The potential 12,000 km range represents a significant leap in its strategic deterrence posture.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Well, real or not, hasn’t Iran just placed a giant bullseye on itself. I wonder if they can convince the Taliban that they aren’t exaggerating things?

As I said…

 

[petros]

As I said…

Bullseye for who and why? Is somebody itching to have Iranian missiles whistle past the air defenses like last time?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Bullseye for who and why? Is somebody itching to have Iranian missiles whistle past the air defenses like last time?

If this is an “All roads lead to Israel” thing, then a boast of a 12,000km range wouldn’t be advantageous as a boast of 2000kms would be sufficient. This is more of a veiled threat to France and the UK, etc…& they’re both real nuclear powers…as are Pakistan and India and China and Russia that (in theory) are now in that radius of 12,000kms.
Is somebody way further away than Israel from Iran itching to have Iranian missiles whistle to or past them? Europe or the east coast of North America itching for Iranian missiles to wiz by or to them? Is it Newfoundland? Is Newfoundland itching for Iranian missiles?

(Should this new missile system be operational or even partially so, it would represent a leap well beyond Iran’s known medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) capabilities. Current systems, such as the Khorramshahr-4, are believed to reach no farther than 2,000–3,000 kilometers, largely covering Gulf Cooperation Council states, Israel, and parts of Eastern Europe. A jump to 10,000 kilometers would require advances in propulsion, multi-stage launch architecture, and re-entry vehicle (RV) survivability—technologies previously thought beyond Iran’s reach)

Tehran has a history of exaggerating the capability and readiness of new weapons systems. No flight-path data, impact footage, or telemetry tracking has accompanied this latest announcement. The missile's warhead capacity and terminal guidance accuracy remain unclear. There is also no indication whether the warhead is conventional or intended for future nuclear delivery, though Iran continues to deny any active nuclear weapons program.
Is directly threatening Orange Jesus right in the ego in Irans best interests? Iran has a history of using strategic ambiguity to magnify perceived capability, and the timing of this announcement suggests a deliberate attempt to shape global perceptions.

Iran claims new 10,000 km range intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching United States

Tasnim News reports Iran’s new ICBM missile is almost ready with a 10,000 km range, a claim that could extend reach to Europe and the U.S. if proven accurate.

armyrecognition.com

U.S. and Western intelligence agencies have long warned that Iran’s space program functions as a masked laboratory for ICBM-ready technologies.

Despite the long-standing Iranian political declaration limiting missile range to around 2,000 kilometers, the new claim indicates that Tehran’s ambitions have evolved well beyond its previous self-imposed doctrine.

The shift from regional strike concepts toward a global reach capability aligns with Iranian strategic writings that emphasize deterrence through uncertainty and layered retaliation.

Iran Claims 10,000km ICBM Nearing Deployment, Threatening Europe and U.S. Homeland - Defence Security Asia

Iran claims a 10,000km ICBM is almost operational, raising fears of global strike capability that could reach Europe and the United States for the first time.

defencesecurityasia.com

Western assessments from 2025 estimated Iran could field a militarily viable ICBM by 2035 through conversion of SLV technologies, but the present claim compresses that timeline by a decade.

 

[petros]

If this is an “All roads lead to Israel” thing, then a boast of a 12,000km range wouldn’t be advantageous as a boast of 2000kms would be sufficient. This is more of a veiled threat to France and the UK, etc…& they’re both real nuclear powers…as are Pakistan and India and China and Russia that (in theory) are now in that radius of 12,000kms.
View attachment 32004Is somebody way further away than Israel from Iran itching to have Iranian missiles whistle to or past them? Europe or the east coast of North America itching for Iranian missiles to wiz by or to them? Is it Newfoundland? Is Newfoundland itching for Iranian missiles?

(Should this new missile system be operational or even partially so, it would represent a leap well beyond Iran’s known medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) capabilities. Current systems, such as the Khorramshahr-4, are believed to reach no farther than 2,000–3,000 kilometers, largely covering Gulf Cooperation Council states, Israel, and parts of Eastern Europe. A jump to 10,000 kilometers would require advances in propulsion, multi-stage launch architecture, and re-entry vehicle (RV) survivability—technologies previously thought beyond Iran’s reach)

Tehran has a history of exaggerating the capability and readiness of new weapons systems. No flight-path data, impact footage, or telemetry tracking has accompanied this latest announcement. The missile's warhead capacity and terminal guidance accuracy remain unclear. There is also no indication whether the warhead is conventional or intended for future nuclear delivery, though Iran continues to deny any active nuclear weapons program.
View attachment 32007Is directly threatening Orange Jesus right in the ego in Irans best interests? Iran has a history of using strategic ambiguity to magnify perceived capability, and the timing of this announcement suggests a deliberate attempt to shape global perceptions.

Iran claims new 10,000 km range intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching United States

Tasnim News reports Iran’s new ICBM missile is almost ready with a 10,000 km range, a claim that could extend reach to Europe and the U.S. if proven accurate.

armyrecognition.com

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U.S. and Western intelligence agencies have long warned that Iran’s space program functions as a masked laboratory for ICBM-ready technologies.

Despite the long-standing Iranian political declaration limiting missile range to around 2,000 kilometers, the new claim indicates that Tehran’s ambitions have evolved well beyond its previous self-imposed doctrine.

The shift from regional strike concepts toward a global reach capability aligns with Iranian strategic writings that emphasize deterrence through uncertainty and layered retaliation.

Iran Claims 10,000km ICBM Nearing Deployment, Threatening Europe and U.S. Homeland - Defence Security Asia

Iran claims a 10,000km ICBM is almost operational, raising fears of global strike capability that could reach Europe and the United States for the first time.

defencesecurityasia.com

Western assessments from 2025 estimated Iran could field a militarily viable ICBM by 2035 through conversion of SLV technologies, but the present claim compresses that timeline by a decade.

Why do they need to initiate an attack on Israel when Israel is destroying itself from the inside out?

They've already proven their missiles whistle past Israeli air defence, they can already fuck them up bad without nukes.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Why do they need to initiate an attack on Israel when Israel is destroying itself from the inside out?

They've already proven their missiles whistle past Israeli air defence, they can already fuck them up bad without nukes.

Why does this have to have anything to do with Israel whatsoever when a threat of a 2000km missile range is all that’s needed regarding Israel? Maybe this is something non-Israel? I know it sounds crazy but…

As much as Iran obsesses over Israel as a regional competitor and something that’s non-Muslim in the neighbourhood, Iran has other competitors like Saudi Arabia, thats a different flavour of Muslim, that’s a direct competitor close to home, but you’re not obsessing over them.

Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Iran wouldn’t need a 12,000km range ICBM to directly threaten Saudi Arabia either.

Iran’s 10,000km Missile Claim — A Global Game Changer?

Iran just claimed it has developed a new intercontinental ballistic missile with a 10,000 km range — potentially putting Israel, Europe, and even parts of th...

www.youtube.com

(YouTube & Iran’s 10,000km Missile Claim — A Global Game Changer and it’s pointy)

(YouTube & "The missile is too round, it needs to be pointy!")

 

[petros]

Why does this have to have anything to do with Israel whatsoever when a threat of a 2000km missile range is all that’s needed regarding Israel? Maybe this is something non-Israel? I know it sounds crazy but…
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View attachment 32010As much as Iran obsesses over Israel as a regional competitor and something that’s non-Muslim in the neighbourhood, Iran has other competitors like Saudi Arabia, thats a different flavour of Muslim, that’s a direct competitor close to home, but you’re not obsessing over them.
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Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Iran wouldn’t need a 12,000km range ICBM to directly threaten Saudi Arabia either.

Iran’s 10,000km Missile Claim — A Global Game Changer?

Iran just claimed it has developed a new intercontinental ballistic missile with a 10,000 km range — potentially putting Israel, Europe, and even parts of th...

www.youtube.com

(YouTube & Iran’s 10,000km Missile Claim — A Global Game Changer and it’s pointy)

(YouTube & "The missile is too round, it needs to be pointy!")

You brought up Israel.

Tell me, why does Israel need an 11,000km ICBM? Cuz France and UK are a threat?

 

[Ron in Regina]

You brought up Israel.

I guess I did, here:

If this is an “All roads lead to Israel” thing, then a boast of a 12,000km range wouldn’t be advantageous as a boast of 2000kms would be sufficient.

My bad.

Tell me, why does Israel need an 11,000km ICBM? Cuz France and UK are a threat?

Does Israel have an 11,000km ICBM? That’s not come up here before as far as I know? Is Israel boasting about that or something? Shit, I mentioned Israel again, and just now again.

 

[petros]

Does Israel have an 11,000km ICBM? That’s not come up here before as far as I know? Is Israel boasting about that or something? Shit, I mentioned Israel again, and just now again.

Jericho III. Is France or UK a threat to Israel?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Jericho III. Is France or UK a threat to Israel?

Huh. Well, I’ll take your word for that because I haven’t looked it up. Wouldn’t have known about it either, but maybe that’s because Israel isn’t bringing it up either? As of September 2025, 28 out of 193 UN member states do not recognize Israel's sovereignty or have severed all diplomatic ties.

Is France or UK a threat to Israel?

Are France or the UK one of these 28 countries that do not recognize Israel as a nation & assumably its right to continue to be one?


Again, that’s probably just another coincidence, that 25 are predominantly Muslim and the other three are arguably socialist, but that’s a story for elsewhere.

Currently, neither France or the UK are predominantly Muslim. While the Muslim populations in both countries are growing at a faster rate than other religious groups, due to factors such as higher fertility rates and continued immigration, they are still a minority in both nations.

Anyway, this is a total sidetrack from a thread about “Iranically Iran, Middle East’s Karen…”

 

[petros]

Huh. Well, I’ll take your word for that because I haven’t looked it up. Wouldn’t have known about it either, but maybe that’s because Israel isn’t bringing it up either? As of September 2025, 28 out of 193 UN member states do not recognize Israel's sovereignty or have severed all diplomatic ties.

Are France or the UK one of these 28 countries that do not recognize Israel as a nation & assumably its right to continue to be one?
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Again, that’s probably just another coincidence, that 25 are predominantly Muslim and the other three are arguably socialist, but that’s a story for elsewhere.

Currently, neither France or the UK are predominantly Muslim. While the Muslim populations in both countries are growing at a faster rate than other religious groups, due to factors such as higher fertility rates and continued immigration, they are still a minority in both nations.

Anyway, this is a total sidetrack from a thread about “Iranically Iran, Middle East’s Karen…”

Is France or UK a threat to Israel? Yes? No?

28 eh? Do they have to?

Support Israel or else is fucking repugnant.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Is France or UK a threat to Israel? Yes? No?

28 eh? Do they have to?

Support Israel or else is fucking repugnant.

Sorry. What?

 

[petros]

Sorry. What?

Are UK or France a threat to Israel? Yes or no?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Are UK or France a threat to Israel? Yes or no?

Are the UK or France the only countries within the range of this ICBM that only yesterday I became aware of?

Jericho III. Is France or UK a threat to Israel?

As of September 2025, 28 out of 193 UN member states do not recognize Israel's sovereignty or have severed all diplomatic ties.

Are France or the UK one of these 28 countries that do not recognize Israel as a nation & assumably its right to continue to be one?

Anyway, this is a total sidetrack from a thread about “Iranically Iran, Middle East’s Karen…”

Well, again, this is a thread about Iran, but no, the UK & France are not a direct military threat to Israel and whatever the range of this Israeli missile that was just mentioned yesterday in this thread about Iran, I’m assuming there are other countries, aside from France or the UK that would be within this missiles range, right?

Iran has, within recent memory, “warned” it will target US, British, and French military bases in the (Middle Eastern) region, and Israel has not, if that helps you any?

Are UK or France a threat to Israel? Yes or no?

Is France or UK a threat to Israel? Yes? No?

28 eh? Do they have to?

Support Israel or else is fucking repugnant.

Anyway, this is a total sidetrack from a thread about “Iranically Iran, Middle East’s Karen…”

So no, the UK & France are not a direct military threat to Israel, & no, Israel is not threatening the UK & France. The UK and France and the US are also all NATO members, but then so are Turkey and Canada so maybe that’s not relevant either.

Technical Difficulties

Iran has for years threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, through which about 20% of all traded oil passes, in retaliation for Western sanctions and other actions against it.

Iran confirms it seized tanker in Strait of Hormuz — BBC News

The Talara tanker was travelling from the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to Singapore.

apple.news

A US official and maritime security sources had said on Friday that Iranian forces intercepted the oil products tanker and diverted it into Iranian territorial waters. Iranian state-run television read a statement from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) stating that “the tanker was in violation for carrying unauthorized cargo.” It did not provide further details of the alleged violations.

http://www.cnn.com/2025/11/15/middleeast/iran-seize-tanker-singapore-intl

Water scarcity in Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Iran and Afghanistan have a long-standing water dispute centered on shared rivers like the Helmand and Harirud, which has intensified due to Afghanistan's dam construction and Iran's severe water crisis. Despite a 1973 treaty that guarantees Iran a specific amount of water from the Helmand River, Afghanistan's recent water projects have drastically reduced the flow, leading to unmet obligations, environmental damage, and heightened political tensions between the two countries.

• Treaty violations: Iran accuses Afghanistan of failing to meet its treaty obligation of providing 820 million cubic meters of water from the Helmand River annually. Recent years have seen Iran receive only a fraction of this amount.
• Dam construction: Afghanistan's construction of new dams, such as the Pashdan Dam, is intended to secure water for its own needs but significantly reduces downstream flow into Iran.
• Environmental impact: The reduced water flow has caused the drying up of wetlands in Iran's Sistan and Baluchistan province, leading to environmental problems like dust storms, agricultural hardship, and displacement.
• Political escalation: Iran views the situation as a deliberate act of hostility, while Afghan officials claim they are within their sovereign rights to manage their water resources. The dispute is intertwined with other regional issues, including border skirmishes and migrant repatriation.
• Do you know what’ll fix this? Announcing a 12,000km missile, and finding a scapegoat in the West, or something that represents the West in that region to Iran. Blaming foreign adversaries like Israel serves as a way for the regime to deflect domestic criticism and evade accountability for its long-standing internal failures.
• Weather Manipulation and "Cloud Theft":High-ranking military and government officials have claimed that Israel and other Western countries are engaging in weather manipulation to prevent rain from falling over the Islamic Republic. In 2018, Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali, head of Iran's Civil Defense Organization, stated that "Israel and another country in the region have joint teams which work to ensure clouds entering Iranian skies are unable to release rain".
• Iranically, Israeli leaders, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, have offered to share Israel's advanced water technology (such as desalination and efficient irrigation) with the Iranian people, which Tehran has vehemently rejected. Agriculture consumes nearly 90% of Iran's water using highly inefficient irrigation methods.

 

[petros]

Являются ли Великобритания и Франция единственными странами в пределах досягаемости этой МБР, о которых я узнал только вчера?




Ну, опять же, это тема об Иране, но нет, Великобритания и Франция не представляют прямой военной угрозы Израилю, и какова бы ни была дальность полета этой израильской ракеты, о которой вчера упоминалось в теме об Иране, я предполагаю, что есть и другие страны, помимо Франции и Великобритании, которые могут оказаться в пределах досягаемости этой ракеты, верно?

Иран, как вы помните, «предупреждал», что будет наносить удары по военным базам США, Великобритании и Франции в (ближневосточном) регионе, а Израиль — нет. Может, это вам как-то поможет?
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Так что нет, Великобритания и Франция не представляют прямой военной угрозы Израилю, и нет, Израиль не угрожает Великобритании и Франции. Великобритания, Франция и США также являются членами НАТО, но, с другой стороны, Турция и Канада тоже входят в НАТО, так что, возможно, это тоже не имеет значения.

Technical Difficulties

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Иран в течение многих лет угрожал закрыть Ормузский пролив, через который проходит около 20% всей продаваемой нефти, в ответ на западные санкции и другие действия против него.

Iran confirms it seized tanker in Strait of Hormuz — BBC News

The Talara tanker was travelling from the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to Singapore.

apple.news

В пятницу официальный представитель США и источники в сфере морской безопасности сообщили, что иранские силы перехватили танкер с нефтепродуктами и перенаправили его в территориальные воды Ирана. Иранское государственное телевидение озвучило заявление Корпуса стражей исламской революции (КСИР), в котором говорилось, что «танкер нарушил правила, перевозя неразрешённый груз». Подробности предполагаемых нарушений не приводятся.

http://www.cnn.com/2025/11/15/middleeast/iran-seize-tanker-singapore-intl

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нехватка_воды_в_Иране

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Иран и Афганистан имеют давний водный спор, связанный с общими реками, такими как Гильменд и Герируд , который обострился из-за строительства плотины в Афганистане и острого водного кризиса в Иране. Несмотря на договор 1973 года, гарантирующий Ирану определённый объём воды из реки Гильменд, недавние водные проекты Афганистана резко сократили сток, что привело к невыполнению обязательств, ущербу окружающей среде и усилению политической напряжённости между двумя странами.

• Нарушения договора: Иран обвиняет Афганистан в невыполнении договорных обязательств по поставке 820 миллионов кубометров воды из реки Гильменд в год. В последние годы Иран получал лишь малую часть этого объёма.
• Строительство плотин: строительство Афганистаном новых плотин, таких как плотина Пашдан , направлено на обеспечение собственных нужд водой, но значительно сокращает приток воды в Иран.
• Воздействие на окружающую среду: Сокращение потока воды привело к высыханию водно-болотных угодий в иранской провинции Систан и Белуджистан, что привело к таким экологическим проблемам, как пыльные бури, трудности в сельском хозяйстве и вынужденное переселение.
• Политическая эскалация: Иран рассматривает ситуацию как преднамеренный акт враждебности, в то время как афганские власти заявляют, что имеют суверенное право управлять своими водными ресурсами. Этот спор переплетается с другими региональными проблемами, включая пограничные стычки и репатриацию мигрантов.
• Знаете, что поможет это исправить? Объявление о ракете дальностью 12 000 км и поиск козла отпущения на Западе или чего-то, что олицетворяет Запад в этом регионе, в отличие от Ирана. Обвинение иностранных противников, таких как Израиль, позволяет режиму отвлечь внимание от внутренней критики и уйти от ответственности за свои давние внутренние ошибки.
• Манипулирование погодой и «кража облаков»: высокопоставленные военные и правительственные чиновники заявляли, что Израиль и другие западные страны манипулируют погодой, чтобы предотвратить выпадение осадков над Исламской Республикой. В 2018 году бригадный генерал Голам Реза Джалали, глава Организации гражданской обороны Ирана, заявил, что «Израиль и другая страна региона создают совместные группы, которые работают над тем, чтобы облака, попадающие в иранское небо, не могли пролить дождь».
• Что касается Ирана, израильские лидеры, включая премьер-министра Биньямина Нетаньяху, предложили иранскому народу поделиться передовыми израильскими технологиями водопользования (такими как опреснение и эффективное орошение), что Тегеран категорически отверг. Сельское хозяйство потребляет почти 90% воды Ирана, используя крайне неэффективные методы орошения.

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Lets get this right. France and UK shouldn't be concerned about a radical middle eastern nation with nukes who is currently committing a genocide that both UK and France said "fuck you" to?

 

[Ron in Regina]

(YouTube & Why Iran Should Be Terrified of a Saudi F-35 Fleet)

 

[petros]

(YouTube & Why Iran Should Be Terrified of a Saudi F-35 Fleet)

Are they coming to get you? Who taught you to hate Iran?

Same people who taught you to hate Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Afghanistan?

Why dont you hate Indonesia?