The Tarriff Hype.

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Mexico has set minimum export prices for fresh tomatoes to protect its domestic production and ensure internal supply after a bilateral agreement with the U.S. expired, Mexico's economy and agriculture ministries said in a joint statement on Sunday.

The decision follows Washington's withdrawal in July from a 2019 deal between the two countries which regulated Mexican tomato exports to the U.S..

The Trump administration on July 14 announced a duty of about 17% on imports of fresh tomatoes from Mexico.

While the new pricing rules apply exclusively to definitive exports, they don't restrict export volumes or impose maximum prices. Prices will be reviewed annually or sooner if market conditions demand, the Mexican ministries said.
Guess the Mexican Exporters aren’t gonna eat the Trump Tomato Tariffs.😳. Minimum export prices per kilogram are set at $1.70 for cherry and grape tomatoes, $0.88 for Roma tomatoes, $0.95 for round tomatoes, and $1.65 for round tomatoes with stems. Other varieties, such as cocktail and heirloom tomatoes, will also have a minimum price of $1.70.

According to official figures, Mexico exported $3.3 billion of tomatoes last year.

"This action reinforces the government's commitment to agricultural competitiveness, dignified rural employment, and food sovereignty," the ministries said.

The ministries added that Mexican associations of tomato producers have expressed support for the agreement, which entered into force immediately after its publication on August 8 in the government's official gazette.
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Tomatoes are a huge "cha-ching" for big pharma.

Think about it eh. What goes on pasta, pizza, burgers, potatoes, tacos and compliments the flavour of high density fats in cheese as well as the vegetable and seed oils they are cooked with or in salad dressing?

Botswanan pink kale? Fuck no.

'Maters goes with them thar stuffs.
 

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When President Trump announced his tariff agenda, he said it would be foreign companies and consumers that would “eat” the price hikes. That’s a take which may be proved optimistic at best, and misguided at worst.

While tariffs have yet to significantly shift the dial on inflation—prompting individuals like Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to label them the “dog that didn’t bark”—analysts are widely expecting the hikes to ultimately be paid for by the U.S.

So far the sharpest end of the tariff regime has yet to be felt. President Trump delayed his ‘Liberation Day’ tariffs by three months in order to agree deals with trading partners.
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From January through April, Trump’s threatened tariffs triggered Mexican suppliers to double or even triple tomato exports to the U.S. — before tariffs went into effect.

The result? The U.S. market was flooded with Mexican tomatoes. Florida farmers saw the wholesale price of a box of tomatoes plummet from $16 per box to $3 or $4. DiMare said tomato farmers need around $10 or $11 per box to break even.
Mexico has set minimum export prices for fresh tomatoes to protect its domestic production and ensure internal supply after a bilateral agreement with the U.S. expired, Mexico's economy and agriculture ministries said in a joint statement on Sunday.

The decision follows Washington's withdrawal in July from a 2019 deal between the two countries which regulated Mexican tomato exports to the U.S..

The Trump administration on July 14 announced a duty of about 17% on imports of fresh tomatoes from Mexico.

While the new pricing rules apply exclusively to definitive exports, they don't restrict export volumes or impose maximum prices. Prices will be reviewed annually or sooner if market conditions demand, the Mexican ministries said.
Guess the Mexican Exporters aren’t gonna eat the Trump Tomato Tariffs.😳. Minimum export prices per kilogram are set at $1.70 for cherry and grape tomatoes, $0.88 for Roma tomatoes, $0.95 for round tomatoes, and $1.65 for round tomatoes with stems. Other varieties, such as cocktail and heirloom tomatoes, will also have a minimum price of $1.70.

According to official figures, Mexico exported $3.3 billion of tomatoes last year.

"This action reinforces the government's commitment to agricultural competitiveness, dignified rural employment, and food sovereignty," the ministries said.

The ministries added that Mexican associations of tomato producers have expressed support for the agreement, which entered into force immediately after its publication on August 8 in the government's official gazette.
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“You can’t even afford to pick them right now,” said Heather Moehling, president of the Miami-Dade County Farm Bureau. “Between the cost of the labor and the inputs that goes in, it’s more cost-effective for the farmers to just plow them right now.”

(It’s not just Florida tomato growers feeling the pinch. Canada has imposed a 25% tariff on U.S. watermelons in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs on Canadian products. DiMare knows one watermelon grower who’s lost Canadian customers to Mexican watermelon suppliers as a result)

Tony DiMare’s family owns 4,000 acres of tomato farms across Florida and California. Sadly, his Florida crops are not looking good — mowed over and left to rot, like tomato vines across the state.

DiMare told WSVN 7 Miami that President Donald Trump’s tariff and immigration policies are driving farmers to abandon their crops.

In January, he warned that Trump’s crackdown on migrants would squeeze farmers, who rely on migrants to pick produce.

“We have to secure our borders south and north, but you have to have a workforce in this country,” he told the Financial Post.

Farmonaut notes that the impacts of tariffs and immigration policy on farmers will have a knock-on effect in grocery stores. If U.S. farmers don’t have enough workers to harvest crops, Americans will have to buy more imported produce, and pay more due to tariffs.
(YouTube & U.S Wheat Shipments REJECTED – Buyers Flood Canadian Markets Instead)
(YouTube & India, Canada, Spain Cancel U.S. Deals Over Trump’s Tariffs | Over $100 Billion Lost?)
 

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….following an anti-dumping investigation launched last year in response to Canada's tax on Chinese electric vehicles.

China's Ministry of Commerce published the details of the plan on Tuesday, claiming the "dumping" of Canadian canola into the Chinese market is hurting its domestic canola oil market.

The Canola Council of Canada says "anti-dumping investigations are initiated when a country suspects a product is being imported at a lower price than it is sold for in the domestic country in which it is produced.
 

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….following an anti-dumping investigation launched last year in response to Canada's tax on Chinese electric vehicles.

China's Ministry of Commerce published the details of the plan on Tuesday, claiming the "dumping" of Canadian canola into the Chinese market is hurting its domestic canola oil market.

The Canola Council of Canada says "anti-dumping investigations are initiated when a country suspects a product is being imported at a lower price than it is sold for in the domestic country in which it is produced.
I bet I can trade sea can of canola for 3 sea cans of cars if routed thru Vietnam.
 

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I bet I can trade sea can of canola for 3 sea cans of cars if routed thru Vietnam.
🤞“There are geopolitical forces and we seem to be getting side-swiped,” said Dale Leftwich, Policy Manager at SaskOilseeds, adding that farmers feel like “collateral damage.”
“This is fairly devastating right now,” said Alberta farmer Roger Chevraux. His crop is around three weeks away from harvest and it lost $90,000 in value after markets reacted and the price per bushel dropped by $1. Beijing’s actions are not about dumping and effectively cut off Canada’s most lucrative crop from one of its most important markets weeks before harvest, say many in the sector.

Canadian canola is exported in accordance with rules based trade and fair market access, said Chris Davidson, President of Canola Council of Canada. Beijing’s tariffs are instead a “political issue that needs a political resolution,” he said.

(The anti-dumping investigation came after Ottawa imposed 100-per-cent tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles and 25-per-cent tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum. Beijing imposed 100-per-cent tariffs on meal and oil in March as retaliation for Ottawa’s tariffs. Now all three canola products - meal, seed and oil - are facing Chinese tariffs)

Mr. Chevraux will try to hold onto the crop until prices improve. But storage space is limited and September is an expensive time of year. Costs like fuel from running harvest machinery and the bill for fertilizer might force a number of farmers to take a low price. The price could also fall lower.

“We need a return to rules based trade all the way around the world ... We need normal trade we can rely on.”
In the meantime, Mr. Chevraux would like to see Ottawa offer compensation.“They’re willing to support other industries in Canada. I sure hope they don’t forget about us.” Valued at $4-billion in annual exports, China is the largest market for Canadian canola seed. It is also the largest vegetable oil consumer in the world, with an annual consumption of 38.3 mmt. The product set for China cannot be easily move elsewhere.
 
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🤞“There are geopolitical forces and we seem to be getting side-swiped,” said Dale Leftwich, Policy Manager at SaskOilseeds, adding that farmers feel like “collateral damage.”
“This is fairly devastating right now,” said Alberta farmer Roger Chevraux. His crop is around three weeks away from harvest and it lost $90,000 in value after markets reacted and the price per bushel dropped by $1. Beijing’s actions are not about dumping and effectively cut off Canada’s most lucrative crop from one of its most important markets weeks before harvest, say many in the sector.

Canadian canola is exported in accordance with rules based trade and fair market access, said Chris Davidson, President of Canola Council of Canada. Beijing’s tariffs are instead a “political issue that needs a political resolution,” he said.

(The anti-dumping investigation came after Ottawa imposed 100-per-cent tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles and 25-per-cent tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum. Beijing imposed 100-per-cent tariffs on meal and oil in March as retaliation for Ottawa’s tariffs. Now all three canola products - meal, seed and oil - are facing Chinese tariffs)

Mr. Chevraux will try to hold onto the crop until prices improve. But storage space is limited and September is an expensive time of year. Costs like fuel from running harvest machinery and the bill for fertilizer might force a number of farmers to take a low price. The price could also fall lower.

“We need a return to rules based trade all the way around the world ... We need normal trade we can rely on.”
In the meantime, Mr. Chevraux would like to see Ottawa offer compensation.“They’re willing to support other industries in Canada. I sure hope they don’t forget about us.” Valued at $4-billion in annual exports, China is the largest market for Canadian canola seed. It is also the largest vegetable oil consumer in the world, with an annual consumption of 38.3 mmt. The product set for China cannot be easily move elsewhere.
Bin it and wait. It's money in the bank.
 

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U.S. Ambassador to Canada Pete Hoekstra says Canada is jeopardizing the future of the Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) — also known as USMCA — on free trade due to Canadian counter-tariffs on certain American products.

“Canada is the country that has pulled the rug out from USMCA,” (???) Hoekstra said in an exclusive interview with Global News on Thursday.

“They also started putting tariffs on CUSMA products … We haven’t done that, but Canada has decided ‘That’s fair game. We will call into question CUSMA.’”

Back in March, Ottawa placed a 25 per cent tariff on $29.8 billion in U.S. products, including some imports that fall under the free trade agreement such as orange juice, motorcycles and appliances.

That was in response to tariffs imposed by U.S. President Donald Trump that have continued to escalate.
Trump has routinely attacked Canadians, spending much of the winter calling on Canada to be annexed as the 51st state and routinely referring to then-prime minister Justin Trudeau as “governor.”

Another key irritant for Hoekstra is the Canadian government reviewing the $74-billion contract to buy 88 F-35 fighter jets from U.S. company Lockheed Martin in trying to decide if they wanted a stable trade partner or F-35’s.

“There’s two countries that have been ‘relatively’ (???) harsh against (in response to) the United States, and that’s China and Canada,” Hoekstra said.

Earlier this week, the U.S. and China extended their tariff deal deadline for another 90 days until Nov. 10…But Canada has had no pause and Hoekstra doesn’t see a deal within reach soon.
 

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🤞“There are geopolitical forces and we seem to be getting side-swiped,” said Dale Leftwich, Policy Manager at SaskOilseeds, adding that farmers feel like “collateral damage.”
“This is fairly devastating right now,” said Alberta farmer Roger Chevraux. His crop is around three weeks away from harvest and it lost $90,000 in value after markets reacted and the price per bushel dropped by $1. Beijing’s actions are not about dumping and effectively cut off Canada’s most lucrative crop from one of its most important markets weeks before harvest, say many in the sector.

Canadian canola is exported in accordance with rules based trade and fair market access, said Chris Davidson, President of Canola Council of Canada. Beijing’s tariffs are instead a “political issue that needs a political resolution,” he said.

(The anti-dumping investigation came after Ottawa imposed 100-per-cent tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles and 25-per-cent tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum. Beijing imposed 100-per-cent tariffs on meal and oil in March as retaliation for Ottawa’s tariffs. Now all three canola products - meal, seed and oil - are facing Chinese tariffs)

Mr. Chevraux will try to hold onto the crop until prices improve. But storage space is limited and September is an expensive time of year. Costs like fuel from running harvest machinery and the bill for fertilizer might force a number of farmers to take a low price. The price could also fall lower.

“We need a return to rules based trade all the way around the world ... We need normal trade we can rely on.”
In the meantime, Mr. Chevraux would like to see Ottawa offer compensation.“They’re willing to support other industries in Canada. I sure hope they don’t forget about us.” Valued at $4-billion in annual exports, China is the largest market for Canadian canola seed. It is also the largest vegetable oil consumer in the world, with an annual consumption of 38.3 mmt. The product set for China cannot be easily move elsewhere.
Bin it and wait. It's money in the bank.
(YouTube & Where Do My Elbows Go?! (Canadian Canola Tariffs))
(YouTube & BATRA’S BURNING QUESTIONS: China crisis with Canadian Canola, Carney and tariff wars)
 

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(YouTube & Where Do My Elbows Go?! (Canadian Canola Tariffs))
(YouTube & BATRA’S BURNING QUESTIONS: China crisis with Canadian Canola, Carney and tariff wars)
Next year there will be a shortage and prices high so bin it and wait. It sucks to lay out input costs but if price is low high supply it pays to stack the tax credits because it always bounces back and then some.
 

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Next year there will be a shortage and prices high so bin it and wait. It sucks to lay out input costs but if price is low high supply it pays to stack the tax credits because it always bounces back and then some.
Canola, the yellow flowering plant that gives so much colour to prairie fields as you drive across the country, is worth more as an industry than auto, steel and aluminum combined.😳

This is a product that has an economic impact of $43 billion per year for Canada’s economy. You would think that this would result in outrage from Canadians, especially the Elbows Up Brigade that are forever lamenting Donald Trump’s tariffs on Canadian steel, aluminum and auto production.

China takes about $5 billion worth of canola products each year and is our second biggest export market after the United States.

Is the Carney government refusing to take the same kind of strong stance they do with other industries because this is a product grown on the prairies, far from the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal triangle that runs Canada’s political and media establishment or is this because they can’t scream Orange Man Bad and yell about Donald Trump?

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe was trying earlier this week, to no avail, to explain how important this crop is to Canada’s economy.

“We’ve estimated about 12 million acres of canola seeded in Saskatchewan just this year,” Moe said.

“To put this in context, this $43 to $45 billion canola industry, Canadian canola industry that we have employing just over 200,000 people, that is significantly larger than the steel industry, the aluminum industry and the car manufacturing industry combined…
He should try being a BC sawmill.
…it’s about the same size as the Canadian forestry industry, of which we saw significant supports for just this past week.”

(Despite their size, despite their impact on the economy, despite the jobs on the line, the canola industry hasn’t seen any elbows go up, they haven’t seen the supports offered to steel or forestry. The Carney government has been near mute on this file, in part I believe because they don’t win enough seats in Western Canada, in particular Saskatchewan)

Western alienation, western separatism is a real and growing issue and one that the Carney government needs to deal with. Not giving the same support to a major industry because it is based in an area the Liberals don’t do well in won’t solve the problem.

Neither will the fact that more support has been offered to the electric vehicle industry, which still doesn’t really exist in Canada, than has been offered to a very real and thriving canola industry.
 
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Canola, the yellow flowering plant that gives so much colour to prairie fields as you drive across the country, is worth more as an industry than auto, steel and aluminum combined.😳

This is a product that has an economic impact of . You would think that this would result in outrage from Canadians, especially the Elbows Up Brigade that are forever lamenting Donald Trump’s tariffs on Canadian steel, aluminum and auto production.

China takes about $5 billion worth of canola products each year and is our second biggest export market after the United States.

Is the Carney government refusing to take the same kind of strong stance they do with other industries because this is a product grown on the prairies, far from the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal triangle that runs Canada’s political and media establishment or is this because they can’t scream Orange Man Bad and yell about Donald Trump?

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe was trying earlier this week, to no avail, to explain how important this crop is to Canada’s economy.

“We’ve estimated about 12 million acres of canola seeded in Saskatchewan just this year,” Moe said.

“To put this in context, this $43 to $45 billion canola industry, Canadian canola industry that we have employing just over 200,000 people, that is significantly larger than the steel industry, the aluminum industry and the car manufacturing industry combined…

…it’s about the same size as the Canadian forestry industry, of which we saw significant supports for just this past week.”

(Despite their size, despite their impact on the economy, despite the jobs on the line, the canola industry hasn’t seen any elbows go up, they haven’t seen the supports offered to steel or forestry. The Carney government has been near mute on this file, in part I believe because they don’t win enough seats in Western Canada, in particular Saskatchewan)

Western alienation, western separatism is a real and growing issue and one that the Carney government needs to deal with. Not giving the same support to a major industry because it is based in an area the Liberals don’t do well in won’t solve the problem.

Neither will the fact that more support has been offered to the electric vehicle industry, which still doesn’t really exist in Canada, than has been offered to a very real and thriving canola industry.
The $43B is input, handling and shipping. Nearly the same input costs, handling, shipping apply to a buying a barley package.

The difference is the density of canola meaning 1 70t shipment to the terminal instead of 2 trucks of barley.

This year we halved seeded acres of Canola. I ordered my Syngenta packages for canola before the first tariff hit. Half is sitting on pallets for next year.

I went with plan B which is good ol red fyfe spring wheat for the most bang for the buck especially when seed cost is free, fertilizer far cheaper and no spraying when doing harrowin instead of using a pre-emergent
 

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The $43B is input, handling and shipping. Nearly the same input costs, handling, shipping apply to a buying a barley package.

The difference is the density of canola meaning 1 70t shipment to the terminal instead of 2 trucks of barley.

This year we halved seeded acres of Canola. I ordered my Syngenta packages for canola before the first tariff hit. Half is sitting on pallets for next year.

I went with plan B which is good ol red fyfe spring wheat for the most bang for the buck especially when seed cost is free, fertilizer far cheaper and no spraying when doing harrowin instead of using a pre-emergent
Cool. How many didn’t do what you did?