Canada 51st State
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Regardless, down the drain or not depending on your source, let’s take a step back:
U.S. President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200 per cent on dairy products imported from the U.S.. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.
Those high tariffs kick in only after the U.S. has hit a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the U.S. is not hitting its allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product.
In many categories, notably including milk, the U.S. is not even at half of the zero-tariff maximum….so…is this a lot to do about very little or nothing at all?
“In practice, these tariffs are not actually paid by anyone,” Al Mussell, an expert on Canadian agricultural trade, said in an email Friday.
Trump also made a claim that is simply false. He told reporters Friday that the situation with Canadian dairy tariffs was “well taken care of” at the time his first presidency ended, “but under Biden, they just kept raising it.”
In reality, Canada did not raise its dairy tariffs under then-U.S. President Joe Biden, as official Canadian documents show and industry groups on both sides of the border confirmed to CNN. The tariffs Trump was denouncing Friday were left in place by the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA, which Trump negotiated, signed in 2018 and has since touted “the best trade deal ever made.”
The White House did not respond to CNN’s Friday request for comment.
apple.news
Trump vowed Friday to retaliate against Canada with new US dairy tariffs in the coming days, but Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said Sunday on NBC that the president’s response to Canada on dairy will actually come on April 2, the day Trump has said he will impose reciprocal tariffs on countries around the world.
Under Trump’s USMCA, Canada guaranteed it wouldn’t apply any tariffs to specific amounts of US imports per year in 14 dairy categories, such as milk, cream, cheese, ice cream, butter and cream powder, and yogurt and buttermilk. These new U.S.-specific quotas, which Canada agreed to increase over time, gave American farmers and companies more access to the Canadian market.
But the USMCA didn’t get Canada to lower the tariffs that apply to imports above the quota thresholds. And contrary to Trump‘s Friday claim, those tariffs didn’t spike under Biden…but…but facts and stuff, etc..
Those Canadian tariff levels are eye-popping, and they certainly function as major trade barriers above the zero-tariff quota maximums. (Mussell noted: “The U.S. has precisely this same system for its dairy market?? PRECISELY THE SAME. Let that sink in.
It has tariff-rate quotas, and beyond that volume, very stiff tariffs and almost no imports.”) But the International Dairy Foods Association, which represents the American dairy manufacturing and marketing industry, pointed out Friday that the U.S. is not at Canada’s zero-tariff maximum in any category.
nationalpost.com
“It’s the pot calling the kettle black,” says agricultural economist Al Mussell about the complaints leveled by American officials from President Donald Trump on down.
BOTH countries deserve to be criticized for the trade barriers they already have, and for the U.S. to complain about Canada doing exactly the same thing the U.S. does is beyond hypocritical.
But when it comes to imports, BOTH countries assign “tariff rate quotas” – allowing a certain quantity of dairy to be imported that in the case of NAFTA countries is free of any levy. And for imports above the quota limits, BOTH set high duties.
Granted, Canada’s overage tariff is 300% & America’s is 30%, but neither country exceeds these overages & neither countries citizens pay this, so…????…so let’s split it in the middle, call it an overage tariff fee of 135% for both American & Canadian dairy products (that nobody will pay), and call it a day.
Or is this as relevant (or irrelevant) as fentanyl in this whole goat, rodeo pissing match?
U.S. President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200 per cent on dairy products imported from the U.S.. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.
Those high tariffs kick in only after the U.S. has hit a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the U.S. is not hitting its allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product.
In many categories, notably including milk, the U.S. is not even at half of the zero-tariff maximum….so…is this a lot to do about very little or nothing at all?
“In practice, these tariffs are not actually paid by anyone,” Al Mussell, an expert on Canadian agricultural trade, said in an email Friday.
Trump also made a claim that is simply false. He told reporters Friday that the situation with Canadian dairy tariffs was “well taken care of” at the time his first presidency ended, “but under Biden, they just kept raising it.”
In reality, Canada did not raise its dairy tariffs under then-U.S. President Joe Biden, as official Canadian documents show and industry groups on both sides of the border confirmed to CNN. The tariffs Trump was denouncing Friday were left in place by the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA, which Trump negotiated, signed in 2018 and has since touted “the best trade deal ever made.”
The White House did not respond to CNN’s Friday request for comment.
Fact check: What Trump doesn’t mention about Canada’s dairy tariffs — CTV News
U.S. President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the U.S.. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.
Under Trump’s USMCA, Canada guaranteed it wouldn’t apply any tariffs to specific amounts of US imports per year in 14 dairy categories, such as milk, cream, cheese, ice cream, butter and cream powder, and yogurt and buttermilk. These new U.S.-specific quotas, which Canada agreed to increase over time, gave American farmers and companies more access to the Canadian market.
But the USMCA didn’t get Canada to lower the tariffs that apply to imports above the quota thresholds. And contrary to Trump‘s Friday claim, those tariffs didn’t spike under Biden…but…but facts and stuff, etc..
Those Canadian tariff levels are eye-popping, and they certainly function as major trade barriers above the zero-tariff quota maximums. (Mussell noted: “The U.S. has precisely this same system for its dairy market?? PRECISELY THE SAME. Let that sink in.
It has tariff-rate quotas, and beyond that volume, very stiff tariffs and almost no imports.”) But the International Dairy Foods Association, which represents the American dairy manufacturing and marketing industry, pointed out Friday that the U.S. is not at Canada’s zero-tariff maximum in any category.
How the U.S. system of dairy import quotas and tariffs may be as protectionist as Canada's
The charge of unfair milk commerce by this country – mounting in intensity over recent days - has become arguably the defining issue of hard–fought trade talks
BOTH countries deserve to be criticized for the trade barriers they already have, and for the U.S. to complain about Canada doing exactly the same thing the U.S. does is beyond hypocritical.
But when it comes to imports, BOTH countries assign “tariff rate quotas” – allowing a certain quantity of dairy to be imported that in the case of NAFTA countries is free of any levy. And for imports above the quota limits, BOTH set high duties.
Granted, Canada’s overage tariff is 300% & America’s is 30%, but neither country exceeds these overages & neither countries citizens pay this, so…????…so let’s split it in the middle, call it an overage tariff fee of 135% for both American & Canadian dairy products (that nobody will pay), and call it a day.
Or is this as relevant (or irrelevant) as fentanyl in this whole goat, rodeo pissing match?
Cited three different link/sources, so does that chimp identify in plural? A they/them chimp?
Lutnick: Canada becoming US state 'best way' to merge economies — The Hill
Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said Wednesday that Canada becoming a U.S. state is the “best way” to merge the two countries’ economies.
Republican legislators in Alaska oppose a Canada-U.S. trade war, remind Trump of CUSMA — National Post
House and Senate Republicans enter joint resolutions honouring 'mutually beneficial' relationship
Alaskan first..American second. They have the independence groups too.…& speaking of states…Alaska is heading for some Trump tariffs if they’re not “more” careful.
Lutnick: Canada becoming US state 'best way' to merge economies — The Hill
Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said Wednesday that Canada becoming a U.S. state is the “best way” to merge the two countries’ economies.
Republican legislators in Alaska oppose a Canada-U.S. trade war, remind Trump of CUSMA — National Post
House and Senate Republicans enter joint resolutions honouring 'mutually beneficial' relationship
Trudeau’s accusation was extraordinary and unprecedented. Here was the leader of Canada, one of America’s closest and longest-standing allies, accusing the U.S. president of engaging in economic warfare. More and more, however, it seems Trudeau wasn’t making this argument up. The evidence is piling up that Trump has declared economic war on Canada for the express purpose of making our Northern neighbor the 51st state.
T rump first referred to Canada as the 51st state in a December 2024 meeting with Trudeau. At the time, the Canadian Prime Minister assumed Trump was joking. But then, in January, he said it again publicly, this time threatening the use of “economic force” to pursue annexation. In addition, he began referring to Trudeau as “Governor” rather than “Prime Minister.”
apple.news
By this point, one could easily chalk this up to Trumpian bluster. He couldn’t possibly be serious about annexing Canada? Could he?
apple.news
But, two weeks after Trump’s inauguration, a private call between him and Trudeau, which was supposed to be about tariffs, took an odd turn. According to The New York Times, Trump told “Trudeau that he did not believe that the treaty that demarcates the border between the two countries was valid and that he wants to revise the boundary.” He also mentioned revisiting long-standing treaties between the U.S. and Canada regarding the sharing of lakes and rivers.
forums.canadiancontent.net
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T rump first referred to Canada as the 51st state in a December 2024 meeting with Trudeau. At the time, the Canadian Prime Minister assumed Trump was joking. But then, in January, he said it again publicly, this time threatening the use of “economic force” to pursue annexation. In addition, he began referring to Trudeau as “Governor” rather than “Prime Minister.”
Opinion | Trump's economic war on Canada looks like a first step toward annexation — MSNBC
Trump’s tariff war seems intended to weaken Canada to the point that he can take it over.
Zombie water apocalypse: Is Trump's rhetoric over Canada’s water science-fiction or reality? — The Conversation Canada
From debates over water export to the largest ‘zombie water project’ in North American history, there’s a long history of Canadian water export to the U.S.
President Trumps Mythical Canadian Water Faucet
Ok…not sure where to put this, & this came up when Pacific Palisades (LA) was burning…when Trump was saying he’d just open the “faucet” from Canada because he’s the Orange Jesus Art of the Deal Hyper-Diplomatic Wonderboy. Anyway, about that. I’m assuming he’s referring to the Columbia River...
forums.canadiancontent.net
So this is what it feels like to be Palestinian eh?Trudeau’s accusation was extraordinary and unprecedented. Here was the leader of Canada, one of America’s closest and longest-standing allies, accusing the U.S. president of engaging in economic warfare. More and more, however, it seems Trudeau wasn’t making this argument up. The evidence is piling up that Trump has declared economic war on Canada for the express purpose of making our Northern neighbor the 51st state.
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T rump first referred to Canada as the 51st state in a December 2024 meeting with Trudeau. At the time, the Canadian Prime Minister assumed Trump was joking. But then, in January, he said it again publicly, this time threatening the use of “economic force” to pursue annexation. In addition, he began referring to Trudeau as “Governor” rather than “Prime Minister.”
By this point, one could easily chalk this up to Trumpian bluster. He couldn’t possibly be serious about annexing Canada? Could he?Opinion | Trump's economic war on Canada looks like a first step toward annexation — MSNBC
Trump’s tariff war seems intended to weaken Canada to the point that he can take it over.
But, two weeks after Trump’s inauguration, a private call between him and Trudeau, which was supposed to be about tariffs, took an odd turn. According to The New York Times, Trump told “Trudeau that he did not believe that the treaty that demarcates the border between the two countries was valid and that he wants to revise the boundary.” He also mentioned revisiting long-standing treaties between the U.S. and Canada regarding the sharing of lakes and rivers.Zombie water apocalypse: Is Trump's rhetoric over Canada’s water science-fiction or reality? — The Conversation Canada
From debates over water export to the largest ‘zombie water project’ in North American history, there’s a long history of Canadian water export to the U.S.
President Trumps Mythical Canadian Water Faucet
Ok…not sure where to put this, & this came up when Pacific Palisades (LA) was burning…when Trump was saying he’d just open the “faucet” from Canada because he’s the Orange Jesus Art of the Deal Hyper-Diplomatic Wonderboy. Anyway, about that. I’m assuming he’s referring to the Columbia River...(YouTube & Countries may turn to China for trade as Trump enacts his ‘Make America Great Again’ plans)
Im starting up Canadian militatnt group to fight the invasion and American settlements. Are you in?
Good deal on buckets of that Cabelas. 55 or 62 grain?
Ive already got plenty of ammonium nitrate.
Trump is going to be some pissed when he finds out that Russia never had the legal right to sell Alaska, since it is clearly Canadian territory.
What they really should do is call us states 50 - 62 and just convert the provinces over. That way once they have broken the union they can pick and choose.
hopefully someone can distract/occupy trumpty dumpty by advising him to make palestine the 51st state, ukraine the 52nd state, greenland the 53rd state. etc. 
Greenland has spoken.hopefully someone can distract/occupy trumpty dumpty by advising him to make palestine the 51st state, ukraine the 52nd state, greenland the 53rd state. etc.
Greenland's opposition wins election dominated by independence and Trump
The Democrats party wants a gradual move to independence but the second-placed party is keen to speed it up.
www.bbc.com
None of these other places are connected physically to the US, with the longest undefended Border in the world, & have resources that can be trucked directly to the US, or railroad lines with the same gauge of tracks that can be used to shuttle resources directly into the US, etc…hopefully someone can distract/occupy trumpty dumpty by advising him to make palestine the 51st state, ukraine the 52nd state, greenland the 53rd state. etc.
Canada happens to be very strategically located, and isolated, due to its unique geography. Trump is not gonna forget about Canada’s existence.
It isn’t and has never been on the table , but the press are getting lots of click bait playing it up .
Dont panic. In the end youll be happy.
Would you truly be upset with your assets jumping by 30%, cost of living cut in half, zero tariffs or duties, no paying crazy freight rates, no 3% exchange rate fees, freedom to move freely from Florida to Santa's Village and your identity intact?
What would that do for your business?