Trucker protest at U.S. border crossing reportedly several kilometres long

[Mowich]

Anybody care to take it on?

My point of view is limited and probably misses many aspects of the situation. I ain't a trucker, and I ain't Canadian.

But seems pretty clear to me there's a mix of issues here.

First is the vax itself. Some folk genuinely believe, rightly or wrongly, that the vax is useless and possibly dangerous. And they believe there's a right of personal autonomy contained in or implied by the Charter or the common law. And they believe that the vax mandate punishes a choice that's theirs to make.

Second is a more nebulous notion that the government should not be mandating things unless there's a clear, indisputable connection between what they're proposing to mandate and what the problem is. The way our courts put it is "a compelling government interest and narrowly tailored to serve that interest with a minimum intrusion on the rights of the people."

There may be other things, but the third thing I'm thinking of is a widespread dissatisfaction with "the way things are going." I know that's not very helpful, but it's important. Revolutions are caused by an un-analyzed dissatisfaction with "the way things are going." If you're in power and sit there and insist that you will only listen to problems that are clearly stated on a nice little list, you have no-one but yourself to blame when they storm the Bastille or fire on the redcoats.

 

[Jinentonix]

Got offered a Brampton load, medication. I refused it.. and every trucker after me.. still sitting on the dock.

I refuse to deliver anymore food, medical or dry goods to Ontario..

A boycott of Colorado worked.. store sheleves went bare.. within 1 month the Govenor caved in.

‘You Will Serve Your Just Sentence’: Colorado Governor Cuts Prison Time for Truck Driver Sentenced to 110 Years for Fatal 2019 Crash (msn.com)

Let them eat dirt.

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Kenney is a wimp. The right to protest does NOT include blocking highways. It may not seem like it but Huron Church road is technically a highway (HWY 3). So you are WRONG about busting the blockade being unconstitutional. Criminal code: Section 423(1). The blockade is illegal, period!

 

[Twin_Moose]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1492442314249318400

 

[MyOpinion]

OK, I did my best based on what I warned you up front was limited information and viewpoint.

You win. Yay, you.

I respect and enjoy your posts.
I am sad you think our conversation was a contest or game.

 

[Twin_Moose]

No, I disagree. I reread your post and you did not answer what rights are being violated. You gave opinions on what you thought the protests were about.
We are (or I am) talking about the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that people keep say are being violated and I keep asking which ones. I also say if they were violations, then there would be court actions and, there are none.
No "bible thumping", just asking specific questions to as specific claim to which there should be very specific answers if there actually is a violation.

Your just looking for a troll/fight easy to find if you actually were curious

https://www.canada.ca › en › immigration-refugees-citizenship › services › new-immigrants › learn-about-canada › human-rights › your-rights-freedoms.html
freedom to associate with anyone you wish and gather peacefully with other people. freedom to practice religion. right to live anywhere in Canada. right to protection from unlawful or unjust arrest or detention by the government; in Canada, every person is equal before and under the law. right to due legal process under Canadian law, which ...

Federal government faces imminent lawsuit over unlawful ...​

https://www.jccf.ca › federal-government-faces-imminent-lawsuit-over-unlawful-confinement-of-returning-canadian-travelers
These measures are a blatant violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including the right to enter and leave Canada, the right to liberty and security of the person, the right to not be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned, the right to retain legal counsel, and the right not to be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[Twin_Moose]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1492522767723511813

 

[Twin_Moose]

*BREAKING* WINDSOR POLICE MOVE IN – Begin Removing Protesters Blocking Ambassador Bridge to US — Snipers on the Roof – City Buses Arrive for Arrests — Media Warned to Move Back​

By Jim Hoft
Published February 12, 2022 at 9:22am
201 Comments

 

[Twin_Moose]

‘Not Giving Them a Choice is a Crime and Genocide’ – Canadian Army Major Sends an Urgent Message to Canadians and Calls on Military and Police Comrades to Stand Up Against Government Forced Medical Tyranny (VIDEO)​

By Jim Hoft
Published February 12, 2022 at 7:45am
153 Comments

 

[pgs]

IMO, Trudeau should have spoken to people at the start.

He didn't; that's his fuck up.

Anything he does NOW is going to go badly.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Honestly he painted himself into this corner and there's nothing for him to do but to wait for the paint to dry.

Meanwhile the province can handle things for the most part.

But I think the longer this goes on, the worse it is on the truckers.

It is no longer just the truckers , more and more Canadians are supporting and joining the protests .
Yesterday in the lower mainland I saw two different groups on freeway overpasses waving flags and signs in support of the protest , as well as a large semi permanent camp of about a hundred supporters . They do not look to be extremists and far right racists as many Asians were in the mix .

 

[pgs]

Okay, absolutely serious here.

Why refuse Boom?

What is it you "want"? And yes I get you've likely said it before, but humour me; condense it down here.

I kinda wonder the same . I don’t think we want to see people going without their meds . But maybe it will be hard to find a load out of there .

 

[Twin_Moose]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1492515907394015238

 

[pgs]

The problem with the Province handling it is that while the Province put the measures in place, the local constabulary is seemingly not enforcing it. As can be seen last night and today at the Ambassador Bridge. No one moved even though the injunction was in place. Cops are scared to enforce the injunction.
Why? Because they do not have the people or equipment or balls to prevent the enforcement from turning ugly.
If the cops start to hand out fines, arrest people and physically move vehicles, the shit will hit the fan and it will become violent.
Local cops and RCMP have been hesitant and allowed it to come to what it is.
I think, in MyOpinion, that the only ones that can do something to clear up the blockades would be the Military. They could move in and tow trucks and pick up people (in Aid to Civil Power authority) and then leave. That would save face of the local police and RCMP.

Whose tow trucks ?

 

[pgs]

Against what Charter Rights?
Some people keep throwing out Charter of Rights violations and no one can actually come up with what is being broken. if there were any charter breaches during the pandemic and now this there would be court actions all over the place and, there is none.

None ?

 

[pgs]

Right now we’re “Monday Morning Quarterbacking” on the Saturday morning of Super Bowl weekend.

I can see what should have been done, but wasn’t, in my opinion, and you can do the same….but right now this is going to pour out into all the smaller border crossings that’re keeping things moving while the three crossings are plugged up that the media & most Canadians are aware of.

Shit’s going to get very real in the next 2-3 days….& then what? That might be a good direction to take this thread in.

Prognostications as to what’s going to happen in the next two or three days and what should happen in response or proactively before they happen. i’m saying many of the smaller border crossings are going to get plugged up, and they are the ones that are keeping product moving across the border at this point. I don’t know what the answer is but I’m curious to hear what others have to say….& in looking back in hindsight a few months from now who will be right and who will be wrong on what will happen, and what should’ve happened?

Hard to make any predictions , the protesters have strong support among the general population .There are also many women and children in the mix , and the optics of them being dragged away in chains will not go over well .

 

[MyOpinion]

Your just looking for a troll/fight easy to find if you actually were curious

https://www.canada.ca › en › immigration-refugees-citizenship › services › new-immigrants › learn-about-canada › human-rights › your-rights-freedoms.html
freedom to associate with anyone you wish and gather peacefully with other people. freedom to practice religion. right to live anywhere in Canada. right to protection from unlawful or unjust arrest or detention by the government; in Canada, every person is equal before and under the law. right to due legal process under Canadian law, which ...

Federal government faces imminent lawsuit over unlawful ...​

https://www.jccf.ca › federal-government-faces-imminent-lawsuit-over-unlawful-confinement-of-returning-canadian-travelers
These measures are a blatant violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including the right to enter and leave Canada, the right to liberty and security of the person, the right to not be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned, the right to retain legal counsel, and the right not to be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.

I am curious and am after actual factual information.

Firstly, what immigrants learn (and Canadians should know) is great but what of those things you quoted is being violated? Which one of those things on that list cannot be done? I read the list and all of it is can be done right now.
"The Government of Canada encourages you to understand that these rights come with certain responsibilities, such as
- respecting Canada’s laws"


Secondly, "legal action is being prepared against the Trudeau government over the declaration that Canadian residents will be subjected to mandatory quarantine," against travellers has nothing to do with whats going on now and, that restriction is over.
Most important, "being prepared' is not in court or even close to court, it is at best, only a threat without merit until court action is filed.

So, all your information or arguments are moot.

 

[pgs]

Alberta woman chokes up describing how border protest prevented family from seeing dying grandma
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Publishing date:Feb 10, 2022 • 1 day ago • 2 minute read • 74 Comments
A truck convoy of anti-COVID-19 vaccine mandate demonstrators continue to block the highway at the busy U.S. border crossing in Coutts, Alta., Feb. 2, 2022.
A truck convoy of anti-COVID-19 vaccine mandate demonstrators continue to block the highway at the busy U.S. border crossing in Coutts, Alta., Feb. 2, 2022. PHOTO BY JEFF MCINTOSH /THE CANADIAN PRESS
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COUTTS, Alta. — A woman says her family members couldn’t say goodbye to their dying mother because of protesters blocking the main U.S. border crossing in southern Alberta.

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Megan Allan of Medicine Hat, Alta., said her aunts tried to come back to the province from Arizona when their 94-year-old mother’s health took a turn for the worse.

They booked the soonest flight to Great Falls, Mont., with plans to pick up their vehicle and drive north through the Coutts border crossing, said Allan. On Jan. 31, the blockade forced them to drive to another entry point that opened at 8 a.m. the following day.

Their mother died earlier that morning.

“They would have made it if they could have gone through (Coutts),” said Allan, just before wiping a tear from her cheek.

“I understand that the truckers’ message is to be about freedom but their protest affected my family’s freedom and my aunts will never get the chance to say goodbye.”

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She shared her story during an NDP press conference on Thursday where Alberta’s Opposition called again on the United Conservative Party government to remove the illegal blockade that has been restricting, or outright blocking, access for nearly two weeks.

Demonstrators are protesting against COVID-19 vaccine mandates for cross-border truckers and broader public health restrictions. The blockade has been ongoing since Jan. 29.

Despite plans announced Tuesday by the Alberta government to phase out all COVID-19 measures, the blockade continued with “renewed resolve,” said one of the lawyers representing the participants.

“Protesters are demanding concrete and immediate deadlines for the lifting of all lockdown and vaccine mandates, both provincial and federal,” Calgary-based lawyer Chad Williamson said Wednesday.

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RCMP Supt. Roberta McKale said vehicles continued to block the border Thursday with large convoys of commercial and personal vehicles at Coutts and further north near Milk River, Alta.

McKale said Mounties are encouraging protesters to move to a field on the south edge of Milk River to essentially switch the protest from unlawful to lawful.

“We continue with that effort to try to convince people to make their way up there,” she said. “There’s not one person there right now.”

RCMP began issuing tickets late Wednesday for various offences at Milk River, as well as to drivers who were parked illegally whose tickets will be sent by mail.

It’s estimated more than 200 passenger and commercial vehicles, camper trailers and tractors are impeding traffic in Milk River. Another 100 vehicles are in Coutts, where the Alberta movement ignited.

Alberta woman chokes up describing how border protest prevented family from seeing dying grandma

COUTTS, Alta. — A woman says her family members couldn’t say goodbye to their dying mother because of protesters blocking the main U.S. border crossing in southern …

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Jump on a plane , they still have those .

 

[MyOpinion]

None ?

I have asked many times. Which ones?
Care to answer? Pretty sure you cannot.

 

[pgs]

There's also a lot of "True Dope shoulda," but it is a delicate balance, what the PM should intervene in, and what the PM should leave to lower-level and local authority. I don't recollect Trump, nor the Attorney General, nor any other Federal official (nor any state official) offering to meet with BLM.

And I'm forced to point out that if any Tory or NDP premier or PM met with, or offered to meet with, the truckers, I musta missed it.

No premiers as far as Iknow . A couple of MP’s and maybe MLA’s went out into the protest and talked with people .

 

[MyOpinion]

Whose tow trucks ?

As I said "I think, in MyOpinion, that the only ones that can do something to clear up the blockades would be the Military. They could move in and tow trucks and pick up people (in Aid to Civil Power authority) and then leave. That would save face of the local police and RCMP."
In case you do not know, the Military has heavy duty tow vehicles. In th ecas eof Ottawa, ther is a Military Army base not far away.

 

[pgs]

“I am asking you to exercise that right and make your voices heard without impeding the rights of others to cross the border,” Moe said in the statement.

“The people in those trucks and other vehicles crossing the border are your fellow Canadians. They are your Saskatchewan friends and neighbours. Don’t advocate for your freedoms by obstructing theirs.”

Sask. premier asks protesters not to block border crossings during planned weekend demonstrations

Saskatchewan's premier is asking protesters not to block border crossings during demonstrations planned for the weekend.

regina.ctvnews.ca

In a message posted to social media, Premier Scott Moe said he and his government hear the concerns of protesters, but asked them not to disrupt Saskatchewan border crossings.

I agree with him as far as Saskatchewan goes as they have already plans to end mandates .