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Britain’s Brexit split is finally out in the open

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28 May 2019
The Spectator

I love everything about the European Parliament election results. As a Brexiteer, of course I love that the Brexit Party came out of nowhere to obliterate the Tories and Labour and induce yet another outbreak of Brexit Derangement Syndrome among the chattering classes.

But I also love the fact that Remain parties did well, too. I’m happy that the Lib Dems, with their sneering, juvenile, anti-democratic slogan of ‘Bollocks to Brexit’, came in second place. And I’m pleased that the Greens, for whom Brexit is a calamity on a par with the climate catastrophe they breathlessly drone on about, also had a good showing.

Why? Because the victory of a proper Brexit party on one side and of the Bollocks to Brexit lobby on the other is a wonderfully clarifying moment. It confirms that the mushy middle ground of seeking a Soft Brexit has fallen away. That the days of compromise are over.

That the country is split — as many of us suspected it was — between people who want Brexit and people who want to destroy Brexit. Thanks to these elections, we can now see the truth of political life in 21st-century Britain.

It isn’t often I agree with Jonathan Freedland, but he’s right to say the UK now faces ‘a fight to the finish between a no-deal Brexit and remain’. ‘The battlefield is shifting’, he says, ‘towards a starker, binary clash’.

This is correct. In the Euro elections, a staggering 74 per cent of the vote was split between parties that are defined either by their all-out support for Brexit or their all-out contempt for Brexit.

Parties that promise to deliver Brexit either with a deal or without one — the Brexit Party and Ukip — won 34.9 percent of the vote. And parties that have pretty much devoted themselves to overturning Brexit — the Lib Dems, the Greens, the SNP and the hilariously tragic Change UK party — won 39.4 per cent of the vote.

Meanwhile, those parties that have dithered over Brexit and emphasised the need for compromise and foolishly attempted to bring about Soft, Kind-Of, Not Really Brexit — the Tories and Labour —received an almighty drubbing. They got a paltry 23.2 per cent of the vote between them. From an 80 per cent share of the vote in the 2017 general election to less than 25 per cent last week — that’s extraordinary.

The electorate’s message is clear: you compromise on Brexit at your peril. The majority of people don’t want pseudo-consensual bargaining over Brexit. They either want Brexit to be enacted in full, with a clean break from all the parts of the Brussels machinery that in some way erode our national sovereignty — primarily the Single Market, the Customs Union and the European Court of Justice.



Or they want Brexit to be stopped, cancelled, thwarted, whether by revoking Article 50 or by having a ‘confirmatory vote’ — a sly, slippery phrase for a second referendum that would offer voters the anti-democratic choice between Remain by Another Name (the withdrawal agreement or something like it) and Remain.

This is the new divide in the UK. Forget left vs right — that 20th-century clash is exhausted. Never mind Labour v Conservatives — only nostalgic Momentum types get excited about the increasingly tiresome, pantomime-like shouting match between Labourites and Tories.

No, the national split now is Leave v Remain. It’s people who value nationhood and people who don’t. It’s democrats vs technocrats. It’s Roundheads v Cavaliers all over again. Only this time without the muskets (thank God). And only this time, the kind of people who would have lined up behind the Roundheads nearly 400 years ago — radicals, rebels, progressives — are bizarrely bowing and scraping at the altar of the Cavalier-style project that is the increasingly centralised, monarchical-like EU.

I don’t know why people get so down about the Leave v Remain divide and the fact that it is splitting Britain asunder, pitting generation against generation, working-class voters against woke middle-class voters, the Labour heartlands against the London-based, anti-white-van-man Labour leadership. Don’t be depressed; it’s good that we can clearly see these divisions; it’s good that they’re finally out in the open.

It is good that British politics has been rescued from the post-ideological, post-passion Third Way swamp that Tony Blair, David Cameron and others pushed it in to, and is now fully reorganised around real, pressing questions of historic import. In particular the question of democracy and whether the laws we are expected to live by should be made by people we elect (MPs) or by people we have no control over (Eurocrats).

So let us embrace this ‘fight to the finish’ between a no-deal Brexit and staying in the EU. It’s the most important political battle in the Western world right now. Forget the old political identities, don’t bore people by telling them you’re a Labour voter or a Tory voter. The question now and for the next few decades is this: are you a Leaver or a Remainer? I’m a Leaver, and I’m ready for battle.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/britains-brexit-split-is-finally-out-in-the-open/
 

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Leo McKinstry Across Europe, people want their countries back – they have had enough of betrayal

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By Leo McKinstry
28th May 2019
The Sun

A POLITICAL earthquake has hit Brussels. The walls of the established order are starting to crumble, shattered by a wave of public anger that was expressed in the elections for the European Parliament this week.

As the mainstream parties retreat, the failure of their federalist ideology has been exposed amid the falling debris.

The triumphant new Brexit Party MEPs

Britain led the way in the popular uprising, with Nigel Farage’s newly formed Brexit movement taking almost a third of the vote and becoming the biggest single party in the European Parliament.

Labour collapsed, the Tories were annihilated. The same pattern was repeated elsewhere.

In Germany, a surge for the Greens brought the long dominant Christian Democrats their worst result in decades.

In France, Marine Le Pen’s right-wing National Rally topped the poll, and the two traditional centrist parties – the Republicans and the Socialists – almost disappeared.

Even more dramatic gains for the Eurosceptics could be found in Italy. The nationalist League was far in front, with 34 per cent of the vote, while the maverick, rebellious Five Star movement won 17 per cent, putting the Italian anti-EU forces in an absolute majority.

Populists also triumphed in Hungary, where Viktor Orban Civic Alliance gained no less than 52 per cent of the vote, and in Poland, where the right-wing Law and Justice party was victorious with 46 per cent.

Indeed, throughout Europe there were advances for anti-establishment politicians - whether it be the Greens in Ireland or the nationalists in Sweden.

As triumphant Greens edge out centre-left and centre-right parties, the EU will become even more polarised and divided, which will make it harder for parliament to function.

All this change is driven by widespread outrage at the disaster that the EU has inflicted on the countries of Europe.

French far-Right National Rally party leader, Marine Le Pen

Without any mandate, the unaccountable, power-mad cabal in Brussels has weakened the fabric of the continent.

National democracy has been pulverised by the quest for EU unification.

National identities have been undermined by mass immigration on an unprecedented scale, particularly after the German Chancellor Angela Merkel opened the floodgates in 2015.

National economic interests have been sacrificed on the altar of the European single currency.

The EU fanatics like to paint populism as a form of extremism but, on the contrary, it is the natural response to the removal of democratic rights and freedoms.

Across Europe, people want their countries back. They have had enough of betrayal.

They prefer to govern themselves rather than be ruled by unelected officials.

They are tired of being labelled bigots simply for feeling a sense of patriotism, that noble ideal which is really an extension of love of family.

The real extremists are those EU zealots who show contempt for the ideas of national pride and sovereignty.

Yet, there is no sign that the Brussels regime, cocooned by its ideology, has woken up to the scale of the upheaval.

Just the opposite is true.



Since yesterday, the EU ruling elite and its cheerleaders have indulged in a gigantic propaganda exercise, pretending that the results are not that significant, that the populist insurgency has been exaggerated, that the barbarians have been held at the gates.

In this climate of delusion, it is as if nothing has happened.

An attitude of business as usual prevails, as shown by today’s Brussels summit, where European leaders discussed the preparations for choosing a new EU President and Commission, given that the term of Jean Claude Juncker will soon end.

In the time-honoured fashion of the EU’s institutions, another establishment stitch-up is probably on the way.

Beyond mouthing a few empty words about reform, Brussels bosses seem to have learned no lesson from the anti-establishment fury.
That is because they are so obsessed with the grand European project of political unity.

Since its foundation in the 1950s, the entire purpose of European Community has been the creation of a federal superstate.

Every policy, every treaty is focused on the mission of ever closer union towards the ultimate goal of a United States of Europe.

Five-Star Movement leader and Italian Deputy-Premier Luigi Di Maio

Nothing is allowed to stand in the way of this crusade. Even democracy and nationhood must be sacrificed for the sake of the integrationist dogma.

At the entrance to the Visitors Centre in the European Parliament, there is a plaque with the words, “National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our time”, for which the “final remedy is the federal union of the people.”

That was written by the British diplomat Lord Lothian, a committed appeaser right up to 1940. His spirit still permeates the corridors of power in Brussels.

Federalism explains why the EU is so addicted to the abolition of borders through free movement, because the obliteration of national identities will promote the new concept of European citizenship.

Similarly, the creation of the single currency in 1999 was not primarily an economic initiative but a political vehicle to enforce integration by undermining national independence.

Through its arrogance, the EU is sowing the seeds for its own destruction.

Without change, Brussels will become ever more crisis-ridden, ever more in-debted, ever more unpopular.

The betrayal of the public is unsustainable in the long-term. In fact, collapse could arrive swiftly in the coming decade, either through another financial crisis or through another major country, like Italy or France, deciding to leave.

If the Brussels bosses had any sense, they would abandon their ideological project and instead make the union just a trading bloc of free, independent nations.

That is what Britain was meant to have joined in 1973 when we signed up for the Common Market, only to find we were sucked into the federalist quagmire.

The British people eventually woke up to this reality.

We had the courage to vote for independence - and Brexit is the spark that has helped to fuel the flames of rebellion across the continent.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9171253/europe-people-want-their-countries-back-enough-betrayal/

JANE MOORE Remainers’ Brexit denial will see Nigel Farage burst Westminster bubble in next General Election

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By Jane Moore, Sun Columnist
28th May 2019
The Sun

THE Westminster bubble was fit to pop with excitement as the *European election results came in.

Pro-Leavers flocked to the TV studios to tell us what a great win it was for them which, the Scottish sea of SNP yellow aside, was at least backed up by the sight of Brexit — not Tory — blue slowly spreading across the majority of England and Wales.

Nigel Farage calls claims on GMB that Remainer parties won EU polls 'absolute tosh'

Yet another undeniable mandate to get on with leaving the EU, you might think.

But no. Along came the pro-Remainers to tell anyone who’d listen that, actually, it was a great night for them because if you add up the votes cast for all the other parties, it’s a clear sign that half of the country want to remain in the EU.

No madam, you’re not on drugs. You heard/read that correctly.

If you voted for the Brexit Party, you were doing so on a clear single issue. But if you voted for the Green Party, you might have been doing so because your main concern is climate change.

Equally, there are plenty of die-hard socialists who are Brexit-leaning but would still vote for Labour if its leader was saying rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb. Which he pretty much is.

Yet pro-Remainers have seen fit to ignore this inconvenient truth — as well as this inconvenient map of colour-coding — and fudge the results so they can carry on with their “Stop Brexit” business as usual.

As dawn broke, the BBC remembered that it was a public service broadcaster and thought it had better ask a couple of ordinary people what they think about it all. So a reporter trotted off to an early-morning car boot sale in Sutton Coldfield to ask sellers and punters their thoughts on this momentous occasion.

The first, slightly startled woman to have the mic thrust in her direction replied that she didn’t even know the European elections were taking place.

How’s that for a reality check?

Nigel Farage's Brexit Party (turquoise) cleaned up at last week's European Parliament elections

Another, bargain hunter “Lorraine”, said: “Well, to be honest, I used to be really into politics and voting and think that it was really, really important, because you can’t moan about what’s going on in the country if you don’t vote.

“But since what’s happened with the elections and Brexit . . . we voted for what we wanted, we were passionate about it, and nothing has happened.”

She was interrupted to go to a weather bulletin that, rather appropriately, predicted a day of cloud.

THEY’LL STILL BE BICKERING AMONG THEMSELVES

Well, Lorraine, all I can say is, gird your loins for a summer of yet more prevarication, obfuscation and hair-tearing frustration as the Tory leadership hopefuls (plenty of whom the public would struggle to identify) make policy promises none of us think they’ll keep and Labour bigwigs start plotting to bring down their fence-sitting leader.

When we come back from our summer holiday in France or Spain (yes, we still love Europe, just not the EU) chances are they’ll all still be bickering among themselves and the second clear mandate for Brexit will be all but forgotten.

Leaving political disrupter Nigel Farage laughing all the way to Arron Banks.

As the Brexit Party’s jubilant leader said on Monday: “If we don’t leave [the EU] by October 31 then I believe we can produce a result in the next General Election that will stun them.”

Indeed they could. Labour and Tories — you have been warned.

Get your act together or Lorraine et al will vote for a party they feel is actually listening to them.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/91728...ll-see-nigel-farage-burst-westminster-bubble/
 

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Who ACTUALLY Won The European Elections?

As the Brexit Party becomes the largest party in the European Parliament and Remainers failing to have a victory in the UK, some refuse to accept defeat.

From Alastair Campbell to Anna Soubry, they went on the mainstream media and claimed that Nigel Farage and Brexiteer didn’t actually win.

So what actually happened?

 

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You base important decisions on third rate crap churned out by third rate hacks for consumption by third rate intellects.

There'll always be an England.


Always is a very long time.
And it,s a very bad bet, Fossil evidence would seem to contradict you. I object to your characterisation of third rate intellects, We are not the lowest common denominator. I have a card.
 

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THE SUN SAYS Baroness Wheatcroft’s Brexit tirade is staggering — and another reason we’re better off OUT

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By The Sun
31st May 2019,

THE sheer snobbery of Baroness Wheatcroft’s Brexit tirade is simply staggering.

We know there are plenty of Remainer elites who think every Leave voter must be thick. But it’s rare for one of them to come out and actually say it.

What Baroness Wheatcroft's doing in the Brexit-backing Tory Party is a mystery to us Credit: BBC

The UK? “A Remain country.” Brexiteers? “They’re wrong.” Where they come from? “Not terribly pleasant.”

Why did they vote out? “They’re uncomfortable in their own skin.” It’s delusional and demeaning.

Who does this unelected non-entity think she is to lecture 17.4 million Brits? And quite what she’s doing in the Brexit-backing Tory Party is a mystery to us.

Does she realise it’s her arrogant attitude that meant she and her establishment mates lost in 2016? Clearly not.

Precious few Europhiles have given any thought to the reasons behind the 2016 vote. Instead they smear just over half the country as backward-looking and beyond help.

Even Michel Barnier seems to think it’s because we’re pining for the days of Empire, rather than to take control of our laws and borders.

If the Second Referendum crowd really think Britain is about to change its mind — despite the huge number of votes for the Brexit Party last week — they need to think again.

Every time people like Wheatcroft open their mouths, they give one more reason we’re better off out.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9190122/sun-says-baroness-wheatcroft-brexit-tirade/#
 
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Leo McKinstry Across Europe, people want their countries back – they have had enough of betrayal

Comment
By Leo McKinstry
28th May 2019
The Sun
A POLITICAL earthquake has hit Brussels. The walls of the established order are starting to crumble, shattered by a wave of public anger that was expressed in the elections for the European Parliament this week.
As the mainstream parties retreat, the failure of their federalist ideology has been exposed amid the falling debris.
The triumphant new Brexit Party MEPs
Britain led the way in the popular uprising, with Nigel Farage’s newly formed Brexit movement taking almost a third of the vote and becoming the biggest single party in the European Parliament.
Labour collapsed, the Tories were annihilated. The same pattern was repeated elsewhere.
In Germany, a surge for the Greens brought the long dominant Christian Democrats their worst result in decades.
In France, Marine Le Pen’s right-wing National Rally topped the poll, and the two traditional centrist parties – the Republicans and the Socialists – almost disappeared.
Even more dramatic gains for the Eurosceptics could be found in Italy. The nationalist League was far in front, with 34 per cent of the vote, while the maverick, rebellious Five Star movement won 17 per cent, putting the Italian anti-EU forces in an absolute majority.
Populists also triumphed in Hungary, where Viktor Orban Civic Alliance gained no less than 52 per cent of the vote, and in Poland, where the right-wing Law and Justice party was victorious with 46 per cent.
Indeed, throughout Europe there were advances for anti-establishment politicians - whether it be the Greens in Ireland or the nationalists in Sweden.
As triumphant Greens edge out centre-left and centre-right parties, the EU will become even more polarised and divided, which will make it harder for parliament to function.
All this change is driven by widespread outrage at the disaster that the EU has inflicted on the countries of Europe.
French far-Right National Rally party leader, Marine Le Pen
Without any mandate, the unaccountable, power-mad cabal in Brussels has weakened the fabric of the continent.
National democracy has been pulverised by the quest for EU unification.
National identities have been undermined by mass immigration on an unprecedented scale, particularly after the German Chancellor Angela Merkel opened the floodgates in 2015.
National economic interests have been sacrificed on the altar of the European single currency.
The EU fanatics like to paint populism as a form of extremism but, on the contrary, it is the natural response to the removal of democratic rights and freedoms.
Across Europe, people want their countries back. They have had enough of betrayal.
They prefer to govern themselves rather than be ruled by unelected officials.
They are tired of being labelled bigots simply for feeling a sense of patriotism, that noble ideal which is really an extension of love of family.
The real extremists are those EU zealots who show contempt for the ideas of national pride and sovereignty.
Yet, there is no sign that the Brussels regime, cocooned by its ideology, has woken up to the scale of the upheaval.
Just the opposite is true.

Since yesterday, the EU ruling elite and its cheerleaders have indulged in a gigantic propaganda exercise, pretending that the results are not that significant, that the populist insurgency has been exaggerated, that the barbarians have been held at the gates.
In this climate of delusion, it is as if nothing has happened.
An attitude of business as usual prevails, as shown by today’s Brussels summit, where European leaders discussed the preparations for choosing a new EU President and Commission, given that the term of Jean Claude Juncker will soon end.
In the time-honoured fashion of the EU’s institutions, another establishment stitch-up is probably on the way.
Beyond mouthing a few empty words about reform, Brussels bosses seem to have learned no lesson from the anti-establishment fury.
That is because they are so obsessed with the grand European project of political unity.
Since its foundation in the 1950s, the entire purpose of European Community has been the creation of a federal superstate.
Every policy, every treaty is focused on the mission of ever closer union towards the ultimate goal of a United States of Europe.
Five-Star Movement leader and Italian Deputy-Premier Luigi Di Maio
Nothing is allowed to stand in the way of this crusade. Even democracy and nationhood must be sacrificed for the sake of the integrationist dogma.
At the entrance to the Visitors Centre in the European Parliament, there is a plaque with the words, “National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our time”, for which the “final remedy is the federal union of the people.”
That was written by the British diplomat Lord Lothian, a committed appeaser right up to 1940. His spirit still permeates the corridors of power in Brussels.
Federalism explains why the EU is so addicted to the abolition of borders through free movement, because the obliteration of national identities will promote the new concept of European citizenship.
Similarly, the creation of the single currency in 1999 was not primarily an economic initiative but a political vehicle to enforce integration by undermining national independence.
Through its arrogance, the EU is sowing the seeds for its own destruction.
Without change, Brussels will become ever more crisis-ridden, ever more in-debted, ever more unpopular.
The betrayal of the public is unsustainable in the long-term. In fact, collapse could arrive swiftly in the coming decade, either through another financial crisis or through another major country, like Italy or France, deciding to leave.
If the Brussels bosses had any sense, they would abandon their ideological project and instead make the union just a trading bloc of free, independent nations.
That is what Britain was meant to have joined in 1973 when we signed up for the Common Market, only to find we were sucked into the federalist quagmire.
The British people eventually woke up to this reality.
We had the courage to vote for independence - and Brexit is the spark that has helped to fuel the flames of rebellion across the continent.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9171253/europe-people-want-their-countries-back-enough-betrayal/
JANE MOORE Remainers’ Brexit denial will see Nigel Farage burst Westminster bubble in next General Election
Comment
By Jane Moore, Sun Columnist
28th May 2019
The Sun
THE Westminster bubble was fit to pop with excitement as the *European election results came in.
Pro-Leavers flocked to the TV studios to tell us what a great win it was for them which, the Scottish sea of SNP yellow aside, was at least backed up by the sight of Brexit — not Tory — blue slowly spreading across the majority of England and Wales.
Nigel Farage calls claims on GMB that Remainer parties won EU polls 'absolute tosh'
Yet another undeniable mandate to get on with leaving the EU, you might think.
But no. Along came the pro-Remainers to tell anyone who’d listen that, actually, it was a great night for them because if you add up the votes cast for all the other parties, it’s a clear sign that half of the country want to remain in the EU.
No madam, you’re not on drugs. You heard/read that correctly.
If you voted for the Brexit Party, you were doing so on a clear single issue. But if you voted for the Green Party, you might have been doing so because your main concern is climate change.
Equally, there are plenty of die-hard socialists who are Brexit-leaning but would still vote for Labour if its leader was saying rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb. Which he pretty much is.
Yet pro-Remainers have seen fit to ignore this inconvenient truth — as well as this inconvenient map of colour-coding — and fudge the results so they can carry on with their “Stop Brexit” business as usual.
As dawn broke, the BBC remembered that it was a public service broadcaster and thought it had better ask a couple of ordinary people what they think about it all. So a reporter trotted off to an early-morning car boot sale in Sutton Coldfield to ask sellers and punters their thoughts on this momentous occasion.
The first, slightly startled woman to have the mic thrust in her direction replied that she didn’t even know the European elections were taking place.
How’s that for a reality check?
Nigel Farage's Brexit Party (turquoise) cleaned up at last week's European Parliament elections
Another, bargain hunter “Lorraine”, said: “Well, to be honest, I used to be really into politics and voting and think that it was really, really important, because you can’t moan about what’s going on in the country if you don’t vote.
“But since what’s happened with the elections and Brexit . . . we voted for what we wanted, we were passionate about it, and nothing has happened.”
She was interrupted to go to a weather bulletin that, rather appropriately, predicted a day of cloud.
THEY’LL STILL BE BICKERING AMONG THEMSELVES
Well, Lorraine, all I can say is, gird your loins for a summer of yet more prevarication, obfuscation and hair-tearing frustration as the Tory leadership hopefuls (plenty of whom the public would struggle to identify) make policy promises none of us think they’ll keep and Labour bigwigs start plotting to bring down their fence-sitting leader.
When we come back from our summer holiday in France or Spain (yes, we still love Europe, just not the EU) chances are they’ll all still be bickering among themselves and the second clear mandate for Brexit will be all but forgotten.
Leaving political disrupter Nigel Farage laughing all the way to Arron Banks.
As the Brexit Party’s jubilant leader said on Monday: “If we don’t leave [the EU] by October 31 then I believe we can produce a result in the next General Election that will stun them.”
Indeed they could. Labour and Tories — you have been warned.
Get your act together or Lorraine et al will vote for a party they feel is actually listening to them.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/91728...ll-see-nigel-farage-burst-westminster-bubble/

For any of you who think that Scotland isn't a distinct and separate country, take a look at that map.
 

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Only because the English are too stupid to see past their noses ...


No. It actually isn't a separate country, unless Alberta and Saskatchewan are separate countries and Bavaria and Lower Saxony are separate countries.


As for the SNP - which, despite calling itself a Scottish nationalist party, is nothing of the sort because it wants Scotland to remain as nothing more than an EU constituency - what makes you think everyone who voted for them are Remainers?


Remember this: William Wallace would be a Brexiteer.
 

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No. It actually isn't a separate country, unless Alberta and Saskatchewan are separate countries and Bavaria and Lower Saxony are separate countries.
Alberta and Saskatchewan have considerably more independence within Canada than Scotland and Wales have in Britain. Canada is a federation of what were colonies,not an occupier like England is.
 

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Alberta and Saskatchewan have considerably more independence within Canada than Scotland and Wales have in Britain. Canada is a federation of what were colonies,not an occupier like England is.


And, in turn, Scotland and Wales have more autonomy than England has.

England doesn't occupy anybody. She doesn't even rule herself.