Remoaner Jean-Luc Picard demands "people's vote" on Brexit
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If the UK insists on leaving the EU, then it will pretty well have no choice but to become Hong Kong North. It could do that of course. It could unilaterally drop all tariffs for example and deregulate wherever it makes sense to do so. That might compensate for losing some of the EU market, and maybe even in large part so as to reduce the pain of leaving the EU considerably. It's doable and the UK could succeed. My question though is whether the UK is prepared to undergo that kind of radical transformation of its economy. Economically, this could benefit the UK. Politically, I'm just not sure that the UK would be prepared to accept such a radical shift towards a market economy open to the world.
Seems fair enough considering that the leave side broke the rules. And it is just possible that Patrick Stuart actually wants what is best for his country and is not motivated by racist angst.
That is a valid argument for leaving the EU. I guess the only valid argument for joining the EU is geographical proximity and consequently dependence on regional markets. The UK could leave the EU and compensate for that lost market but only if it become a kind of Hong Kong North. I just doubt that many Britons will be prepared to make that transition politically.
The only reason to join the EU is because you have been sold out by commie and nazi globalist criminals.
The leave side broke the rules made by the unelected nazi commie globalists?
LOL
That's just TOO funny to even have a comment for. HIghlarious even.
The leave side broke the rules made by the unelected nazi commie globalists?
LOL
That's just TOO funny to even have a comment for. HIghlarious even.
Read about the main motive for voting to leave. It had very little to do with economics and a great deal to do with the fact that many Brits didn't like foreigners coming into the country. The economic argument has not yet been proven and may eventually turn around to bite the UK in the bum, especially when those same EU subsidies are withdrawn from areas of the UK.
So did the Remain side, the only difference being that the MSM hasn't reported it.
Rather ironically, the Remain side even broke EU spending rules.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to put an end to unlimited, uncontrolled immigration from the EU and to put controls on the numbers and quality of people coming in. Almost every country in the world outside the EU, including Canada, has such immigration controls.
Britain doesn't receive subsidies from the EU. Britain is a net contributor to the EU budget - the second-largest after Germany. The only money Britain "receives" from the EU is merely some of the money it put in in the first place that the EU begrudgingly gives back.
THE PEOPLE’S VOTE: A PARODY OF DEMOCRACY
FRASER MYERS
WRITER
Jean-Luc Picard may want a second referendum – but the public don’t.
18 APRIL 2018
SPIKED
Last Sunday, the Rearguard Remain campaign launched its latest initiative to derail the democratic vote for Brexit: the People’s Vote. Parliamentarians, celebrities and businesspeople came together at an event in Camden, north London, to call for what they insist is definitely not a second EU referendum.
Alongside the usual suspects – Chuka Umunna, Anna Soubry and Caroline Lucas – was the actor Sir Patrick Stewart, who was first to address the faithful. He claimed to loud cheers that Jean-Luc Picard and Charles Xavier, the characters he played in the Star Trek and X-Men franchises respectively, would have voted Remain.
But rather than ‘boldly go’ to the Brexit heartlands with its message, the group decided to host its launch event in north London – a Remain stronghold. It was a particularly bizarre move, especially given the number of Remain politicians who are well-schooled in spin, PR, optics and messaging. Perhaps these Remainers are too afraid to get out there and face some of the people who voted Leave. ‘I’ve been punched in Brexitland, and I can tell you it hurts’, one attendee told the Guardian.
Doing the media rounds, Stewart laid out the campaign’s intentions. ‘We are not calling for a second referendum’, he told The Andrew Marr Show, just ‘another chance to consider the decision’. In stark contrast to the nostalgic and temperamental Brexit voters we hear so much about, Stewart said he was motivated to campaign for Remain because of ‘history and emotion’.
Also in attendance was arch-Remainer Lord Adonis. He temporarily broke his boycott of the ‘Brexit Broadcasting Corporation’ – as he has taken to calling the BBC – to make the case to a BBC News reporter for what must not be referred to as a second referendum. ‘No one had any idea what the consequences of Brexit were going to be’, he claimed. This is a significant departure from the confident predictions of an immediate recession, a Third World War and a plague on every firstborn that were made by Remain-backing experts back in 2016.
Of course, any new ballot that includes the option to remain in the EU, as the People’s Vote crowd are calling for, would be a blatant rerun of the 2016 referendum. But there is a reason why elite Remainers are at pains to deny that they are demanding a second referendum. Their own polling tells them the people don’t want one. Many have been trumpeting a recent YouGov poll, commissioned by pro-EU outfit Best for Britain, that claims 44 per cent of people are in favour of a ‘final say’ on the UK-EU deal, with 36 per cent against. But as polling expert John Curtice points out, it all comes down to the wording. The Best for Britain poll actually posed two questions. When asked their view on a ‘public vote’ instead of the more vague ‘final say’, just 39 per cent of respondents agreed, while 49 per cent were opposed. Unsurprisingly, Best for Britain chose not to publicise the latter result – but thanks to British Polling Council rules, YouGov was obliged to publish it. In fact, when looked at over the long term, opposition to a second referendum has been consistent since June 2016, as demonstrated by YouGov’s regular polling on this question.
In its unpopular mission to overturn the democratic will, the People’s Vote is no more of ‘the people’ than the People’s Republic of China. These Remainers make no secret of their endgame to reverse the democratic decision of 17.4 million Brexit voters, who would be well within their rights to tell these anti-democrats where to boldly go.
Fraser Myers is a writer. Follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/FraserMyers
The People’s Vote: a parody of democracy | British politics | For Europe, Against the EU | spiked
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Someone should ask Cameron how he feels about the process, now. He probably lies awake at night staring at the ceiling.
democracy- a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
By contrast, the 2010 General Election had only a 65.1% turnout; the 2015 one had a 66.4% turnout; and the 2017 one had a 68.8% turnout.
The difference is that in the House of Commons all voters are said to be represented - whether they have cast a vote or not.
IN a referendum only those who vote are represented - with the 28% who do not vote being (for some reason) ignored.
But at any rate you need to stop describing this vote as the people's will.
Nowhere close to a majority of British voters voted for Brexit.
IN a referendum only those who vote are represented - with the 28% who do not vote being (for some reason) ignored.
But at any rate you need to stop describing this vote as the people's will.
Nowhere close to a majority of British voters voted for Brexit.
So what? If you choose not to vote and the result doesn't go your way, then that's your problem. And if you're not eligible to vote then you're not eligible to vote.
But the turnout in the EU referendum was astoundingly high in contrast to other modern British elections. The turnout for over 65s was 90%. Even amongst the 18 to 24 year olds, turnout was 64%.
The only astonishing thing about this vote is that it ever took place.
I have misspoken here - as only 65% of eligible voters turned out not 72%
So the non voters are 35% - not 28% ---- such that perhaps 63% of British voters did not vote for Brexit.
I have misspoken here - as only 65% of eligible voters turned out not 72%
So the non voters are 35% - not 28% ---- such that perhaps 63% of British voters did not vote for Brexit.