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JamesBondo

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Hydrogen fuel cells is not an energy source, they would be an energy storage medium.

Also, where will your electricity come from?
 

JamesBondo

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Ok enstien. The system shows water and electricity being produced from h2 and o2. Assuming that air has enough o2, you would still need to scour the world for naturally occuring hydrogen gas.....or........generate power from an energy source like oil......to manufacture the h2 gas.

I know you know that using oil to manufacture h2 gas is self defeating

So the question still remains....what energy source will replace oil?
 

Musky

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Who's enstien?

Science...bah. Why can't we just burn stuff.

Or we could use the sun.
 

JamesBondo

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Energy storage?

...ummm.

Nope.

Ummm are you really that dumb?

Unless you can dig up naturally occuring h2 and o2, you will need to find the energy from a difference source, use it to manufacture h2 and o2..so instead of using the energy, you've stored it in a fuel cell.
 

captain morgan

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Why do you and others use this as an argument?

It's dumb.

... Because it's a fast and simple way to illustrate the stupidity of your comment.

Ok enstien. The system shows water and electricity being produced from h2 and o2. Assuming that air has enough o2, you would still need to scour the world for naturally occuring hydrogen gas.....or........generate power from an energy source like oil......to manufacture the h2 gas.

I know you know that using oil to manufacture h2 gas is self defeating

So the question still remains....what energy source will replace oil?

Avro is a simpleton... He thinks in only 2 dimensions... The kind of logic that leads to the conclusion that food stuffs come from grocery stores and never stops to consider that it's actually produced on a farm
 

Musky

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... Because it's a fast and simple way to illustrate the stupidity of your comment.



Avro is a simpleton... He thinks in only 2 dimensions... The kind of logic that leads to the conclusion that food stuffs come from grocery stores and never stops to consider that it's actually produced on a farm

I think in two dimensions?

That's funny.
 

Bar Sinister

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Ok enstien. The system shows water and electricity being produced from h2 and o2. Assuming that air has enough o2, you would still need to scour the world for naturally occuring hydrogen gas.....or........generate power from an energy source like oil......to manufacture the h2 gas.

I know you know that using oil to manufacture h2 gas is self defeating

So the question still remains....what energy source will replace oil?

Actually it has been suggested that a possible way of storing wind, solar, and other green energy sources is to use it to break water into H2 and O2. This is because wind never quits, often producing tons of energy when none is needed, and of course solar only works in sunlight. Germany has experienced this problem with its green energy, actually producing more energy than it needs at times but having no way as yet to store it.
 

Musky

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Actually it has been suggested that a possible way of storing wind, solar, and other green energy sources is to use it to break water into H2 and O2. This is because wind never quits, often producing tons of energy when none is needed, and of course solar only works in sunlight. Germany has experienced this problem with its green energy, actually producing more energy than it needs at times but having no way as yet to store it.

How dare you sir.

No thinking is allowed here.

We must burn stuff, it is the only way and it's easy.

Thinking is hard.
 

JamesBondo

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Actually it has been suggested that a possible way of storing wind, solar, and other green energy sources is to use it to break water into H2 and O2. This is because wind never quits, often producing tons of energy when none is needed, and of course solar only works in sunlight. Germany has experienced this problem with its green energy, actually producing more energy than it needs at times but having no way as yet to store it.

electrolysis of water was first performed in the late 1700s. with over 300 years of science, no one has been able to overcome the fact that hydrogen gas has good energy density by weight, but poor energy density by volume. The tanks used are similar to oxygen and acetelyne tanks. propane tanks wont work. and great big balloons like the Hindenburg is highly discouraged.
 

captain morgan

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I think in two dimensions?

That's funny.

Well, just barely.

Actually it has been suggested that a possible way of storing wind, solar, and other green energy sources is to use it to break water into H2 and O2. This is because wind never quits, often producing tons of energy when none is needed, and of course solar only works in sunlight. Germany has experienced this problem with its green energy, actually producing more energy than it needs at times but having no way as yet to store it.

You've hit the nail on the head here.

Oil, coal or other physical (tangible) forms of energy are in a state of potential energy that are transportable, storeable and can be delivered on demand.

Storage of electricity is the bottle neck right now
 

Musky

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electrolysis of water was first performed in the late 1700s. with over 300 years of science, no one has been able to overcome the fact that hydrogen gas has good energy density by weight, but poor energy density by volume. The tanks used are similar to oxygen and acetelyne tanks. propane tanks wont work. and great big balloons like the Hindenburg is highly discouraged.

I don't disagree, it is not an optimal method but over time it may be. I just don't subscribe to can't.
 

JamesBondo

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I don't disagree, it is not an optimal method but over time it may be. I just don't subscribe to can't.

while automotive computers improve at an exponential rate, mechanics still adjust the bearings on a car the same way they always have.
 

Musky

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while automotive computers improve at an exponential rate, mechanics still adjust the bearings on a car the same way they always have.

Sure, but improved over time.

I'm not sure why there is always a fight against something....new....different that doesn't involve oil.

That Tesla is....awesome.

You say horseshit.
 

Curious Cdn

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electrolysis of water was first performed in the late 1700s. with over 300 years of science, no one has been able to overcome the fact that hydrogen gas has good energy density by weight, but poor energy density by volume. The tanks used are similar to oxygen and acetelyne tanks. propane tanks wont work. and great big balloons like the Hindenburg is highly discouraged.

H2 molecules are small enough to sneak through the interstices in metal crystals, so the stuff leaches away, even in gas canisters. Even so, it isn't a bad method of storing unused, off-peak electrical production from say, nuclear that steadily produces electricity whether we draw on it, or not.