2016 Presidential Campaign
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And right after his speech, CNN dug up some of the comments Obama made about Trump during the campaign - ungracious to say the very least.
You're confused as usual. As an Albertan the net result of a Trump presidency is good as Keystone will most likely get done. That doesn't mean I think he's good for the US and my feelings really have nothing to do with his unpopularity down south
just watched Obama's speech, he certainly has the gift of high moral character and humanity, and spoke
eloquently about 'the day after' and how everyone has to move forward now, democracy has spoken, it was
a hard tough battle, as all campaigns are, and if we all take a page from his ability to see clearly how
life goes on, and all have to stand together, then maybe even on this forum it could be possible for some
to reign it in a bit, behave with more class, and look to tomorrow and not drag along carrying the past
in the same manner as has been. Hillary and her followers have to swallow hard now, and chin up move on,
trump has to figure out how to be president, and that's about as simple as it is. take a big breath
everyone, life goes on, and its sunny today, I have a new puppy coming in a week or so, I am peparing my
living room, turned it into a pet room, any valuables are gone from that room, jake and I will be sleeping
on the couch in that room, close to puppy (named sam), and it is very exciting indeed, can't wait.
this election is over, we have more important things to think about.
the media is still spouting all of their nonsense, tune them out, that's what I'm doing, I just listen
to actual news, as the media want to drag this on, and gather as much negative information as they can,
its empty information.
eloquently about 'the day after' and how everyone has to move forward now, democracy has spoken, it was
a hard tough battle, as all campaigns are, and if we all take a page from his ability to see clearly how
life goes on, and all have to stand together, then maybe even on this forum it could be possible for some
to reign it in a bit, behave with more class, and look to tomorrow and not drag along carrying the past
in the same manner as has been. Hillary and her followers have to swallow hard now, and chin up move on,
trump has to figure out how to be president, and that's about as simple as it is. take a big breath
everyone, life goes on, and its sunny today, I have a new puppy coming in a week or so, I am peparing my
living room, turned it into a pet room, any valuables are gone from that room, jake and I will be sleeping
on the couch in that room, close to puppy (named sam), and it is very exciting indeed, can't wait.
this election is over, we have more important things to think about.
the media is still spouting all of their nonsense, tune them out, that's what I'm doing, I just listen
to actual news, as the media want to drag this on, and gather as much negative information as they can,
its empty information.
So unpopular he just got elected president. Elected with a much higher percentage of the vote than Trudoh.
You forget, I have no oar in this boat, Tec..............I merely pointed out that Obama today is talking a very different line than Obama during the campaign.....to be expected of course......but doesn't change what he said during the campaign.
Nor does it change what Trump has said in the past.
And have no fear, I never once suspected you had both oars in the water.
Canada has three main parties (4 in Kweebeck if you include the Bloc Kweebeckwaw), so a smaller percentage of the popular vote should be expected. The main difference in the Canadian election would be that people didn't vote specifically for Justin just because he was the least unpopular option. The Alberta election was more of a parallel to the US election
No one can say Trump is unpopular or not passionate. He is many other things as well; with all his failed business deals made public and indisputable, he could not have been elected for being the best business man ever, good but not the most honest perhaps!!; his level of narcissism speaks for itself, so women could not have voted for him for his respect! In my opinion, in this day and age, the day anyone was going to be bold enough to say he was banning Muslims until 'he finds out what is going on" and building a wall to stop illegal immigration and last say that jobs would be brought back to the US, was winning no matter what would be said after that. We can look forward to some interesting TV, because I think he will make his promises happen. He's in the White House now, and probably has plans including, his family, so I would think he will not disappoint his followers.
I expect this result, along with Brexit, are signs of fundamental shift in the West, which will shake its to its foundations over the next 25 years. I see a reemergence of the inclusive, moral (constitutional) nation state over the exclusive, amoral (ideological) Empire of Money that has ruled the world for the last 45 years.
Trump, with all of his flaws, is a most remarkable man. He is spontaneous, free of deep seated ideology, and able to grasp broad concepts and trends. Those trends now spell an end to globalism, Free Trade, open borders, the cult of the 'victim', AGW.. but they are not going without a fight.
Trump, with all of his flaws, is a most remarkable man. He is spontaneous, free of deep seated ideology, and able to grasp broad concepts and trends. Those trends now spell an end to globalism, Free Trade, open borders, the cult of the 'victim', AGW.. but they are not going without a fight.
If you read my post carefully.. or even casually you would have seen i did no such thing. I linked to an article which stated that Trump has expressed that he needed God's wisdom through prayer. Only in the truly twisted credo of politically correct, morally relative agnosticism does that constitute 'blasphemy'.
The Americans also don't directly vote for Trump. They vote whose delegates should go to the electoral collage for their state.
[FONT="]You know what Tec, you are right............she was just as deserving of the chance as any other morally and ethically challenged woman. I should have written that my hope is that the next woman who aspires to the office isn't burdened with the baggage that this one most certainly lugged around. [/FONT]
From what I've been reading there were an awful lot of white women who voted for Trump. Another interesting tid bit is that more citizens who identified as being religious voted for Trump.
If I were Donald Trump, today I would be thinking, 'Holy sh*t, what do I do now'!
It will be a long hard road he faces but now - just maybe! - some of the decay that has taken place over the past 8 years can be dealt with and an attempted healing can take place.
I thought from the start of this campaign that Trump's opponents were reading him wrong. They took twisted meanings from every word he spoke, they hammered the notions that he was racist, a woman hater, homophobic, anti-Muslim, a hateful divider of the country. Wrong on every count, I believed.
Now we'll just see, won't we?
Clinton was the real divider. Putting people in groups, promising what she would do for women, blacks, Hispanics, all minorities, she portrayed America as a divided country. That kind of rhetoric reinforces the thinking that those groups are advantaged whether they are or not. It's negative.
I don't believe Trump hates anybody. I think what he will strive for is for all American citizens to be just 'American' above ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation and anything else they consider themselves to be 'special' for; for all Americans to have equal opportunity. What could be better or make more sense?
The problems will be in getting the people to all think like that.
It will be a long hard road he faces but now - just maybe! - some of the decay that has taken place over the past 8 years can be dealt with and an attempted healing can take place.
I thought from the start of this campaign that Trump's opponents were reading him wrong. They took twisted meanings from every word he spoke, they hammered the notions that he was racist, a woman hater, homophobic, anti-Muslim, a hateful divider of the country. Wrong on every count, I believed.
Now we'll just see, won't we?
Clinton was the real divider. Putting people in groups, promising what she would do for women, blacks, Hispanics, all minorities, she portrayed America as a divided country. That kind of rhetoric reinforces the thinking that those groups are advantaged whether they are or not. It's negative.
I don't believe Trump hates anybody. I think what he will strive for is for all American citizens to be just 'American' above ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation and anything else they consider themselves to be 'special' for; for all Americans to have equal opportunity. What could be better or make more sense?
The problems will be in getting the people to all think like that.
How to bungle an election, Democrat style: Robyn Urback
Donald Trump didn't win, Hillary Clinton lost
The Democrats didn't just lose any old election. They lost to a man who dared Russia to commit espionage against the United States; who boasted he would kill the innocent family members of terrorists; who thinks global nuclear proliferation is a great thing.
This is a guy who has made disparaging comments about women, Hispanics, blacks, veterans, people with disabilities, journalists and the parents of dead soldiers. He is the first president-elect to have not released his tax returns in 40 years, the first to take over the White House with over 3,500 lawsuits under his belt and the first to churlishly declare he would not accept the results of the election unless it went his way.
Yet on Tuesday night, knowledgeable, experienced, polished Hillary Clinton lost to a narcissistic reality television star who once misspelled "dumber" on Twitter. That's not just a defeat for the Democrats — it's an utter humiliation.
The race arguably should have been over the moment Trump ousted Senator Ted Cruz to win the Republican nomination. By that time — and even more so a few weeks later — the Republican Party was in such tumult it seemed all but certain it wouldn't survive the election intact.
Hundreds of prominent Republicans had unabashedly come out against Trump, including former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham and Ohio Governor and primary rival John Kasich. Many others, such as former presidents George W. Bush and George H. W. Bush, opted to abstain rather than endorse Trump's behaviour, much less his campaign.
Unpalatable choice
The Democrats thus had an opportunity to reach beyond their base and appeal to disgruntled, principled Republicans looking for a viable alternative. Instead, they put Hillary Clinton — one of the most consistently disliked, distrusted politicians in recent American history — on the top of their ballot, dragging along her many decades of scandal, waste and controversy.
Leaked emails revealing that the Democratic National Committee actually favoured Clinton as its candidate during the primary race made her all the more unpalatable choice for reluctant turncoat voters, as well as for disaffected Bernie Sanders supporters who, like Trump diehards, aren't keen to play the roles assigned to them by the so-called Washington elite.
It took more than them, obviously, and while the coming weeks will reveal exactly how Trump pulled off his surprising win, it's clear that millions of Americans who voted for Barack Obama in 2012 chose to vote for Trump in 2016, despite Trump's pledge to undo nearly every major policy plank of the Obama era.
It's a shift that hardly makes any sense. Unless, of course, the Democratic ticket includes a name so repellent to the average voter that he or she would rather vote for the guy endorsed by the KKK than the proscribed successor to the first black president — even if he got their vote last time around.
There will be plenty of morning-after shame to go around when America realizes its next president will use his state of the union address to peddle his brand of steaks, but nowhere should the shame be felt more profoundly than among the Democratic Party establishment.
Indeed, they handed this election over to a bigoted, misogynistic, semi-lucid celebrity. One could say this was the Democrats' race to lose, but then again, there really shouldn't have been much of a race to begin with.
How to bungle an election, Democrat style: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion
Donald Trump didn't win, Hillary Clinton lost
There were many casualties of the 58th U.S. presidential election: general decency, fact-checking, FBI director James Comey's reputation.
But nothing was left so utterly decimated in the aftermath of Donald Trump's staggering victory as the integrity of the Democratic Party, which somehow managed to concede the election to a man who made his political debut by accusing the president of being a Kenyan impostor.
The Democrats didn't just lose any old election. They lost to a man who dared Russia to commit espionage against the United States; who boasted he would kill the innocent family members of terrorists; who thinks global nuclear proliferation is a great thing.
This is a guy who has made disparaging comments about women, Hispanics, blacks, veterans, people with disabilities, journalists and the parents of dead soldiers. He is the first president-elect to have not released his tax returns in 40 years, the first to take over the White House with over 3,500 lawsuits under his belt and the first to churlishly declare he would not accept the results of the election unless it went his way.
Yet on Tuesday night, knowledgeable, experienced, polished Hillary Clinton lost to a narcissistic reality television star who once misspelled "dumber" on Twitter. That's not just a defeat for the Democrats — it's an utter humiliation.
The race arguably should have been over the moment Trump ousted Senator Ted Cruz to win the Republican nomination. By that time — and even more so a few weeks later — the Republican Party was in such tumult it seemed all but certain it wouldn't survive the election intact.
Hundreds of prominent Republicans had unabashedly come out against Trump, including former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham and Ohio Governor and primary rival John Kasich. Many others, such as former presidents George W. Bush and George H. W. Bush, opted to abstain rather than endorse Trump's behaviour, much less his campaign.
Unpalatable choice
The Democrats thus had an opportunity to reach beyond their base and appeal to disgruntled, principled Republicans looking for a viable alternative. Instead, they put Hillary Clinton — one of the most consistently disliked, distrusted politicians in recent American history — on the top of their ballot, dragging along her many decades of scandal, waste and controversy.
Leaked emails revealing that the Democratic National Committee actually favoured Clinton as its candidate during the primary race made her all the more unpalatable choice for reluctant turncoat voters, as well as for disaffected Bernie Sanders supporters who, like Trump diehards, aren't keen to play the roles assigned to them by the so-called Washington elite.
It took more than them, obviously, and while the coming weeks will reveal exactly how Trump pulled off his surprising win, it's clear that millions of Americans who voted for Barack Obama in 2012 chose to vote for Trump in 2016, despite Trump's pledge to undo nearly every major policy plank of the Obama era.
It's a shift that hardly makes any sense. Unless, of course, the Democratic ticket includes a name so repellent to the average voter that he or she would rather vote for the guy endorsed by the KKK than the proscribed successor to the first black president — even if he got their vote last time around.
There will be plenty of morning-after shame to go around when America realizes its next president will use his state of the union address to peddle his brand of steaks, but nowhere should the shame be felt more profoundly than among the Democratic Party establishment.
Indeed, they handed this election over to a bigoted, misogynistic, semi-lucid celebrity. One could say this was the Democrats' race to lose, but then again, there really shouldn't have been much of a race to begin with.
How to bungle an election, Democrat style: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion