They may be two different critters. Clinton's "victims" were more willing, I think.
Is the world starting to turn against Bill Cosby?
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They may be two different critters. Clinton's "victims" were more willing, I think.
Yeah, they all wanted him.
Bill Clinton's long history of sexual violence (The 30 years of rape you won't find in My Life)
I think when making personal judgments on politicians you have to ignore their political side or all you get is prejudice & bias.
If sexual allegations were made about Stephen Harper and Justin Trudeau, which one do you think would be most likely to be guilty?
That's one problem with rape. It's extremely difficult to prove. If he insists it's consentual, short of witnesses or evidence of equal value it comes down to a he-said-she-said hearing.
As a result, while probably 90% of rape claims are genuine, probably only 10% of actual rapists get prosecuted.
And due to the fact that we never know if he might in fact be innocent, regardless if how suspicious we may be, or how much we believe he is guilty, unless we can prove otherwise, what moral choice do we have but give the accused the benefit of the doubt?
I'm not talking about Cosby specifically here, but rather rape charges in general.
And Ladies of the evening and courtesans!The Vancouver police have been accused of considering them in terms you described which some feel is the reason why there are so many that are missing or murdered. They are people too, they laugh, they cry, they hurt they bleed, not to mention there are people who love them.
As strange as it might sound, I know of at least one case of a friend or family member of a suspected sex worker getting swept up in a human trafficking investigation. The police are quick to assume tha if a person is visiting a suspected sex worker:
1. He must be a sex worker or client himself, and
2. He must have known that the friend or relative is a sex worker.
If I take myself as an example, I could probably easily set up a gambling, drug, or maybe even prostitution den and my closest friends and family wouln't know.
In fact I take my family members' and friends words for it that they do the work that they say they do.
Just look at ex-Col. Russell Williams. He'd fooled the Queen, the Prime Minister, his superior officers, his subordinates, his colleagues, his neighbours, the police initially, and even his own wife, and he was doing much more than just working in the sex trade.
m-o-n-e-y!
Bill probably wouldn't have any trouble finding women who would love to be screwed by a President and no attacking necessary!
Is the Cosby case about to be derailed?
By Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun
First posted: Saturday, January 16, 2016 01:18 PM EST | Updated: Saturday, January 16, 2016 02:51 PM EST
So just like that the lone sexual assault charge against Bill Cosby is in jeopardy over an email?
Cosby’s defence team is certainly pushing the notion.
But not so fast, says the district attorney who brought the charges from a 2004 complaint by Toronto’s Andrea Constand.
Still, the headline on the top of CNN’s web page breaking late Friday night certainly grabbed the eye: “CNN Exclusive: Email may derail case against Bill Cosby.”
The story describes how former Montgomery County, Pennsylvania District Attorney Bruce Castor “claims he agreed more than a decade ago that his office wouldn’t use a civil deposition given by Bill Cosby in any criminal matters — a revelation that could call into question the viability of the criminal case against the comedian.”
More than 50 women have made claims Cosby, 78, drugged and assaulted them.
It seems Castor, who lost last year’s election to Kevin Steele, wrote in an e-mail to their boss Risa Vetri Ferman saying he had made an agreement to clear the path for Constand’s civil case to be settled but collapsing any desire for a criminal case.
“I can see no possibility that Cosby’s deposition could be used in a state criminal case, because I would have to testify as to what happened, and the deposition would be subject to suppression,” CNN reported from the Castor email. “I cannot believe any state court judge would allow that deposition into evidence ... knowing this, unless you can make out a case without that deposition and without anything the deposition led you to, I think Cosby would have an action against the County and maybe even against you personally.”
Based on this agreement Cosby’s lawyers are planning to file a motion to dismiss the charges Feb. 2. But while a judge will ultimately have to decide on this, Steele told me last night he will be fighting this attempt to avoid prosecution on a technicality.
“We will file a response to their motion,” he promised.
That is going to be one interesting day because while Castor claims to have made a verbal agreement to not prosecute Cosby, Steele will argue that certainly is not something that should tie the hands of the office of the DA.
It does seem odd that a prosecutor is able to collapse a criminal case and have any interest or involvement in a civil one.
Either way Steele says any protocols to allow that were not in play in this case.
“For immunity, a judge must sign off on a petition from a prosecutor.” he told me. “No such order exists in this case.”
In fact he says in Castor’s own release in 2005 he wrote he would “reconsider this decision should the need arise.”
Steele says he decided to re-open the case based on unsealed testimony by a judge from the civil case in which Cosby himself admitted he gave “blue” pills to Constand that she says rendered her in an altered state of consciousness in which she says she was sexually violated.
Now, CNN reports, Castor is prepared to go on the witness stand and under oath testify he told Cosby’s lawyers that the comedian’s testimony in the civil case could not be used against him in this criminal proceeding.
Constand was aware of all Friday’s machinations but did not comment.
But from someone who has followed this whole case, it’s a bizarre development to say the least.
This whole case is strange.
For example, Castor has even publicly criticized the alleged victim in all of this. During the election campaign Castor said the former head of the women’s basketball team at Temple University enhanced her story in the lawsuit saying “if the allegations in the civil complaint were contained with that detail in her statement to the police, we might have been able to make a case out of it.”
Through her lawyer Dolores Troiani, Constand filed a $150,000 defamation law suit against Castor that denied there was any embellishment. Troiani has told Philadelphia media that she had not heard of there being an agreement between the DA’s office and Cosby to prevent prosecution.
Turns out it now all comes down to this arrangement. Whether or not the case against Cosby stands will be in how a judge feels about this so-called deal.
Is the Cosby case about to be derailed? | Warmington | Toronto & GTA | News | To
By Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun
First posted: Saturday, January 16, 2016 01:18 PM EST | Updated: Saturday, January 16, 2016 02:51 PM EST
So just like that the lone sexual assault charge against Bill Cosby is in jeopardy over an email?
Cosby’s defence team is certainly pushing the notion.
But not so fast, says the district attorney who brought the charges from a 2004 complaint by Toronto’s Andrea Constand.
Still, the headline on the top of CNN’s web page breaking late Friday night certainly grabbed the eye: “CNN Exclusive: Email may derail case against Bill Cosby.”
The story describes how former Montgomery County, Pennsylvania District Attorney Bruce Castor “claims he agreed more than a decade ago that his office wouldn’t use a civil deposition given by Bill Cosby in any criminal matters — a revelation that could call into question the viability of the criminal case against the comedian.”
More than 50 women have made claims Cosby, 78, drugged and assaulted them.
It seems Castor, who lost last year’s election to Kevin Steele, wrote in an e-mail to their boss Risa Vetri Ferman saying he had made an agreement to clear the path for Constand’s civil case to be settled but collapsing any desire for a criminal case.
“I can see no possibility that Cosby’s deposition could be used in a state criminal case, because I would have to testify as to what happened, and the deposition would be subject to suppression,” CNN reported from the Castor email. “I cannot believe any state court judge would allow that deposition into evidence ... knowing this, unless you can make out a case without that deposition and without anything the deposition led you to, I think Cosby would have an action against the County and maybe even against you personally.”
Based on this agreement Cosby’s lawyers are planning to file a motion to dismiss the charges Feb. 2. But while a judge will ultimately have to decide on this, Steele told me last night he will be fighting this attempt to avoid prosecution on a technicality.
“We will file a response to their motion,” he promised.
That is going to be one interesting day because while Castor claims to have made a verbal agreement to not prosecute Cosby, Steele will argue that certainly is not something that should tie the hands of the office of the DA.
It does seem odd that a prosecutor is able to collapse a criminal case and have any interest or involvement in a civil one.
Either way Steele says any protocols to allow that were not in play in this case.
“For immunity, a judge must sign off on a petition from a prosecutor.” he told me. “No such order exists in this case.”
In fact he says in Castor’s own release in 2005 he wrote he would “reconsider this decision should the need arise.”
Steele says he decided to re-open the case based on unsealed testimony by a judge from the civil case in which Cosby himself admitted he gave “blue” pills to Constand that she says rendered her in an altered state of consciousness in which she says she was sexually violated.
Now, CNN reports, Castor is prepared to go on the witness stand and under oath testify he told Cosby’s lawyers that the comedian’s testimony in the civil case could not be used against him in this criminal proceeding.
Constand was aware of all Friday’s machinations but did not comment.
But from someone who has followed this whole case, it’s a bizarre development to say the least.
This whole case is strange.
For example, Castor has even publicly criticized the alleged victim in all of this. During the election campaign Castor said the former head of the women’s basketball team at Temple University enhanced her story in the lawsuit saying “if the allegations in the civil complaint were contained with that detail in her statement to the police, we might have been able to make a case out of it.”
Through her lawyer Dolores Troiani, Constand filed a $150,000 defamation law suit against Castor that denied there was any embellishment. Troiani has told Philadelphia media that she had not heard of there being an agreement between the DA’s office and Cosby to prevent prosecution.
Turns out it now all comes down to this arrangement. Whether or not the case against Cosby stands will be in how a judge feels about this so-called deal.
Is the Cosby case about to be derailed? | Warmington | Toronto & GTA | News | To
Not odd at all if you've been paying attention and listening. Most women just aren't up to facing the scrutiny, doubt and humiliation of going through the hoops. Their past life is examined with a fine tooth comb while the perpetrator in many cases doesn't even have to make a statement. Anyone who watched the documentary recently on C.B.C.on the women at U.B.C. who were getting raped would understand this. The same things applied to the victims of Bill Cosby.