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The Quran confirms the 'exclusive devotion to God alone' which was affirmed by the Torah (which Jews call Tenakh.)
But on the other hand many of the teachings and commands in the Quran differ from that of the Torah of Ezra.

The Quran came to correct the mistakes that afflicted the Torah by the hand of Ezra and others.

And it gave better and more practical statements, which are an amelioration for the one who convert: he will be free from the obligations and difficulties imposed on Jews in the Torah: that is if he converts and become a Muslim.
 

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God the most merciful is about forgiveness not retaliation so there goes the whole
system structure. Besides the Israeli women appear to be having a good time at
the expense of the whiners and so called sacred ones.
Yes I knew the answer to the question meant for the single cell mind it was addressed
to.
All we need is a spaceship to land and say they never found heaven then we will know
religion is the blanket comforter it has always been.
That's the thing about literalism. "Heaven" as a place that spirits go when their bodies die doesn't necessarily make all that much sense if you think about it logically. But "Heaven" as a state of mind can make sense when you think about it logically. When asked where this "kingdom" was that Jesus spoke of his answer was, " The kingdom of Heaven is at hand". A state of mind. IMO.
 

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God the most merciful is about forgiveness not retaliation so there goes the whole
system structure. Besides the Israeli women appear to be having a good time at
the expense of the whiners and so called sacred ones.
Yes I knew the answer to the question meant for the single cell mind it was addressed
to.
All we need is a spaceship to land and say they never found heaven then we will know
religion is the blanket comforter it has always been.

damngrumpy, you need not any spaceship; it is only the death when you will go and discover that the truth is according to the Quran: there is God and there is the Spiritual Next Life.

In addition, you should know this is not justice as you describe it.
How is that? I tell you how:

If one kills someone and then says: let us forgive each other .. is this correct?
If one steals a property and then says to those of whom he stole it: let us forgive each other .. is this correct?

No, the killer should be killed: life for life, or at least if the family of the slain forgive him, he should pay the blood-due money to the family of the slain, and he should apologize and then his repentance may be accepted, or may not be accepted: this is the right of the family of the slain.

The thief should restore the property to the one of whom he stole it, and then apologize, and his repentance may then be accepted, or may not be accepted: this is the right of the wronged one.

But not that the killer continues in his threatening, arrogance and occupation, and comes and says let us forgive each other: what is this? This is called subjection not forgiveness.
 

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Selfsludge what are you going to do if when you croak, and you arrive at your destination on the other side, that the 72 virgins you hoped for as a reward turn out to be 72 Sumo Wrestlers waiting to take their turns having their way with you ? :).
 

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Selfsludge what are you going to do if when you croak, and you arrive at your destination on the other side, that the 72 virgins you hoped for as a reward turn out to be 72 Sumo Wrestlers waiting to take their turns having their way with you ? :).

I know very well that the devils are waiting for you earnestly.
At the start: following the death of the disbeliever: the angels will slap his face and kick his back and leave him (so he will know that he has lost.)
Then a devil will come holding a weapon by his hand, like a rod of iron or something like that, and this devil will shout at the disbeliever with a loud shout to startle him, so if the disbeliever surrenders, he will shackle him with fetters and chains and take the disbeliever so as to chastise him.
but if the disbeliever resists the devil, a group of devils will come then bearing weapons and some of them riding horses and the disbeliever then cannot escape from them so they chain him and take him to the chastisement around the volcanoes ... etc.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/1.htm#[_The_after-death_life_of:_disbelievers,_associaters_and_hypocrites:]
 
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I know very well that the devils are waiting for you earnestly.
No selfslurp. I talked with the Daemons awhile back and they were asking about you they were not attracted to me for some reason. Possibly because I'm old and wore out. Asmodeus the Daemon of lust help a particular interest in you as he indicated he liked the dark meat. :).

No selfslurp. I talked with the Daemons awhile back and they were asking about you they were not attracted to me for some reason. Possibly because I'm old and wore out. Asmodeus the Daemon of lust help a particular interest in you as he indicated he liked the dark meat. :).
Incidentally that Asmodeus Daemon bore an uncanny resemblance to the late President Gerald R Ford.
 

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No selfslurp. I talked with the Daemons awhile back and they were asking about you they were not attracted to me for some reason. Possibly because I'm old and wore out. Asmodeus the Daemon of lust help a particular interest in you as he indicated he liked the dark meat. :).


Incidentally that Asmodeus Daemon bore an uncanny resemblance to the late President Gerald R Ford.

Ho ho ho, of course you now laugh.
 

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A state of mind can be altered by anything religion drugs whatever and what happens
When God arrives and says I made it all up?
Seriously religion is not a bad thing for the most part if it helps the people nurse therr
fears of the unknown. Its when organized religion manipulates the system to imprison
the populous within themselves
 

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Ho ho ho, of course you now laugh.
It's no laughing matter Selfsloot. Beelzebub himself has repeatedly made it clear that all the other 72 Daemons will have to follow him in your case as he considers you to be the apple of his eye. He did indicate that special privileges will be available to you and the others if you happen to be good at cooking Mexican food especially home made tamales.
 

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You have a beautiful view of religion. Your answers about god always show 'it' as being forgiving, understanding and accepting. You're view of god is quite lovely. But you're unique amongst the believers. Surely you know that?
Well I guess I know where I'll be for the next rather than the 10 minutes it would take to reply to just your post.

I hope I don't stack the deck to make it appear that is His only side. What it does point out is that God puts many people under punishment for a set period of time and then the sins that got them there are forgiven and the relationship with God is restored and then a much longer period of time begins. Sin entered in Adam's time and the price of sin is you go to the grave (before you are 120 years old). The only exceptions are the 12 tribes from Re:7 and the Gentiles counted as being 'in Church in Re:11. Each group could number about 2B people (for example) but the ones from those two groups that survive to see the return in person is quite small compared to the number that will be retrieved from death to become witnesses to events that happen at the end of the 1,000 years as that is when the serpent from Ge:3 is given his bruise to the head and the 'sons of God' from Ge:6 are sent to the fiery lake.

That is the group that is 'sealed' as soon as that becomes possible and the people that missed out on that experience the gathering from the grave when the Great White Throne happens. (since fire from heaven is the worst wrath in the Bible the ones in the grave miss out on having to face that as a 'test of some people that are equal to angels in strength and knowledge but are found to be sinless at the time 1/3 of all angels are going to their version of 'death', eternity without God to protect them, it would be equal to Adam and Eve leaving the garden and living with thorny plants (thirst and hunger are things that angels have never experienced as they are immortals, same as people are who are the witnesses at the end of the 1,000 year reign.

My view should be available to anybody who is willing to read (study) the book. If a new reader wants to get a summation of what the book is about I would highly recommend reading just Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 with the view that the text is meant for the readers that will see those event change from prophetic to realistic. (and the great changes that come with 'that day') .

Yes I know that. If more people read the chapters mentioned and discussed it the odds are we would all agree about what the texts would mean to us rather than what it meant to people such as Noah. That would make a topic that doesn't take decades to cover. That amount of time is needed to cover the rest of the book and how Ge:3:15 specifically goes from prophecy to reality and since the cross was the bruise to the heel and Jesus was a living person the book is reality based and we have yet to seem all the 'bad' prophecies unfold. There are 3 1/2 years of tribulation before salvation is assured. Prayers should be able to keep you alive through that period of time as live witnesses have better stories than dead ones. The few in numbers is a reference to the 144,000 and the 3 1/2 years they are 'sealed from coming to harm. (Gentiles can do this and be counted)

De:4:27-31:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

How would Ge:1 go if our version of 'evolution' was applied and the earth was about 4B years old? (the start and end of this earth would be the 'topic')

Is this sarcasm or have you missed his lust for genocide?
My what??

Not sarcasm. I read him differently then you do. I don't believe it's a lust for genocide so much as rebuttals to the other comments. We all 'discuss' things in a different style.

And whenever he's talked about religion, he's always mentioned how everyone gets into heaven, how nobody is punished in hell, everyone who wants it is forgiven. It's a lovely view.
Reading all the applicable texts are the way that view is constructed, my thinking should not be unique other than I may have connected a few things before somebody else did. Considering there is a lot of wrath involved it help to have a picture how it ends so in this case 'peeing ahead' is definitely recommended.
Ge:2 could be a prophecy about the new earth that starts at the end of Re:22 so that is an aspect that can be explored as being intentionally put in there just for that reason. (there are other possibilities as well)
 

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It takes me a long time to dismiss people after finding out exactly what they are.
Bull****, as soon as somebody shows you intentionally lie they become a target of you various trolling activities. I would think that is also a 'sign to others' that your 'determination' better be challenged or you will troll them. I pretty much considered you a twit after I asked you a question whose answer should have been on the tip of your tongue as far as 'looking it up' goes. 4 or 8 pages later I said it was proof that if you wants something you might as well look it up yourself than as the 'local expert'.

He hates Jews and wishes they be exterminated. Without any provocation from other members commentary.
Did I start that Holocaust thread? I don't think so but showing the numbers on the plaque had been revised was enough to make me an anti-Semitic here for a lifetime. Honest people don't buckle to accepting a lie as factual so that pretty much covers the rest of my days here.
Provocation?? As soon as I mentioned something about God I was confronted by the local authority and I let him give me his version and then I looked at all the holes in it and gave him a preview of how my version went. That didn't go over all that well so another milestone here had been reached and the trend of not challenging the 'whiz' was breached so the minions were stuck between a rock and a hard place, go along or get roasted with me. So far that aspect is just not happening as well as it was expected to go. Who do you think has had more fun at trolling, me or the trolls??

It's that simple.
That is your highest level I believe.

It's also how he justifies his hatred while on earth.
Suddenly I want to be the Nun that had you in her class so it exists, just not at the scale you imagine. At least I'm free to call a spade a spade and you have no choice but to call it what you are told to call it.

Don't worry bear, meltdowns usually produce some good results when it is all over.
 

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Don't worry bear, meltdowns usually produce some good results when it is all over.
Your meltdowns are always hilarious.

i guess you could call that some good results.

Oh, and I'm not the only one that knows you love genocide and hate Joos. It's why so many of us just call you an idiot.

 

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I guess Eagle started a trend that folks can copy and pretend it's their idea.
Speaking of idiots. No one is pretending anything is their idea. But please go on being an idiot. You make me laugh. Especially when you lie and pretend I'm on ignore, lol.
 

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I take you off periodically to tie the dialogue together. then, after I've read your hypocritical self important horse shyt, I put you back on. You're simply too full of yourself to compel any interest from this user. Carry on though you still have your admirers. Which is very important to you obviously. I won't interfere with that. Folks needs there fans. :).

Actually you kind of remind me of Jon Lovitz on SNL. LOL
 

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I can only interpret what I've read personally from a poster.
In the case of Scripture the 1611KJV seems to be the ones that has the least conflicts and the preface by itself is 'in dept' that basically you have to read it for yourself.
Back in the day when I was looking for answers and not finding the one I wasn't above saying a quick prayer about finding that answer as I was losing the 'debate' because of it. Let it go at that and within a day or two I would be reading something to do with a different aspect of the same topic and then elusive answer was right there. I would also promote that if God was going to answer a prayer those are the ones that would get answered the most. The all knowledge at the 'flip of a switch' is a myth, learning is a process that takes time.
The ones alive on day 1 of the 1,000 years war are said to be alive because they qualified as believers yet the whole of the 1,000 years is a learning period so they are 'immune' to the fire that sends fallen angels to the lake.

 
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In the case of Scripture the 1611KJV seems to be the ones that has the least conflicts and the preface by itself is 'in dept' that basically you have to read it for yourself.
Back in the day when I was looking for answers and not finding the one I wasn't above saying a quick prayer about finding that answer as I was losing the 'debate' because of it. Let it go at that and within a day or two I would be reading something to do with a different aspect of the same topic and then elusive answer was right there. I would also promote that if God was going to answer a prayer those are the ones that would get answered the most. The all knowledge at the 'flip of a switch' is a myth, learning is a process that takes time.
The ones alive on day 1 of the 1,000 years war are said to be alive because they qualified as believers yet the whole of the 1,000 years is a learning period so they are 'immune' to the fire that sends fallen angels to the lake.
Have you ever read the bible chronologically MHz ?
 

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Have you ever read the bible chronologically MHz ?
Depends on how you define it. I usually let certain phrases lead me around to see if there are other references about whatever the current topic is about. A term as general as 'one day' will show there are very few references to it. The references are chosen in Revelations and you work back from there. That would almost make that chapter as being the index in a modern book. It certainly fills in a lot of blanks that were introduced in the earlier writings. The 1,000 year reign is something that is introduced just a few pages from the end, a 2nd Babylon is also in that same boat so not all references to Babylon are referencing Neb's Babylon and those references add detail to the picture and how it fits into the overall sequence. That is why Revelation sets the tone for the whole book, it has a finite timeline and the order the sequences play out.

If reading from Ge:1 it can be divided into 'time' or 'eras' From Adam to Abraham to Moses and the exodus wars earth ran on the time that was 'standard' for the 'sons of God\ from Ge:6. 1000 years is like one day when you are with God. God said Adam would die on the same day he sinned. He was 930 of our years old when he died, that is 70 years short of 'one day' so the determination came true as precised. The Laws from Re:21 are the ones that govern immortal people and it governed the fallen angels who were the kings of the earth back then and their children the giants inherited 'ownership' until God exterminated them as part of the exodus wars.
The 10 Commandment became Law and the ones it applied to went as far back as Joseph who was a slave when he entered Egypt. On the day the 7th trump sound the Re:21 Law will come back to cover the people there as they are immortal people who have the same glorified body Jesus had and they are sinless so Laws that are for sinners (of the flesh) are 'upgraded'.
I'm going to assume this is not going to fit your definition either so I'm going to need a longer explanation.