People said things the Christ and others had not said

[MHz]

When did the Holy wars take place mhz.... and when did Mohamed go on his warring conquests?

Since the 'Christian warriors' came from European Nations it would seem that they brought the war to the mid-east or do you think Muslims were chanting, 'Come and get us.'

There were traditions and prophecies circling in the community, and some men exploited such prophecies to fit them with the Christ.

The prove of this: is that the disciples when they saw Jesus alive three days after the event they thought that they saw a ghost; so if they are told by Jesus that he will be resurrected why did they surprise and doubt?

Moreover, some of them said: "It must be this is the one whom we were told he will be resurrected."

Lack of faith.

M't:17:20:
And Jesus said unto them,
Because of your unbelief:
for verily I say unto you,
If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed,
ye shall say unto this mountain,
Remove hence to yonder place;
and it shall remove;
and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

 

[gerryh]

Since the 'Christian warriors' came from European Nations it would seem that they brought the war to the mid-east or do you think Muslims were chanting, 'Come and get us.'

You didn't answer the question. Your statement implies that Mohamed's warring was a direct result of the Crusades (Christian Holy Wars). Either answer the question, or admit that you don't know and got it wrong.

 

[selfsame]

I believe in Jesus and I respect him much as a prophet, but I don't exaggerate about him, neither I exaggerate in loving him. I hold him as my teacher and the messenger of God; that's it, and he is a son of man, not a son of God, and he is a righteous servant of God, but not equal part of God or that he is God Himself. God created Jesus as had He created Adam without father.

 

[Ludlow]

The Christian version of hell and the return is flawed, perhaps use the accurate version before you slam a different religion. There isn't one Jew around here who can give an accurate reading of what Isaiah:65 covers and if that is still a mystery to the Jews it is a safe bet it won't be solved anytime soon.

Babylon was God's answer to a wayward Israel and the Quran may well be God's solution to a corrupt Church that says it follows the NT when they are as flawed as the Jews before the exile to Babylon came to be.

Once again you have taken the opportunity to address a question that was not asked of you. The question was put to the Selfsame character. Yes I know you fancy yourself to be a scholar and are special in that 'You" , are the only authority in matters of history and religion, (which is a joke), Still, your manners lack refinement. We like to call it, in these parts, "Butt out Buttinski". I'm asking your buddy.

 

[selfsame]

Once again you have taken the opportunity to address a question that was not asked of you. The question was put to the Selfsame character. Yes I know you fancy yourself to be a scholar and are special in that 'You" , are the only authority in matters of history and religion, (which is a joke), Still, your manners lack refinement. We like to call it, in these parts, "Butt out Buttinski". I'm asking your buddy.

I agree and respect the replies of MHz, while many others like Ludlow the Turnip: he sees the answer and repeat: You haven't answered.

 

[Ludlow]

Still waiting for a reply to this, Mr. Radish. " Why is your religion true, and Christianity is false. " Don't want to hear about your belief, opinion or faith. What I am asking is for you to give objective , verifiable proof, of why Islam is true, and Christianity is false. Other than opinion based on hearsay and literature written by nomads and goat herders, hundreds of years ago.

 

[selfsame]

Of course there is much difference between the knowledge and politeness and respect of MHz and many other ignorant stubborn like Ludlow, who says: the goats herders. Have your fathers had any goats to herd them ? I think not more than egg collectors and this is true in fact.

 

[Ludlow]

Not only that, but also, why have you abandoned the religion of your forefathers, in favor of this relatively new religion that you follow. Why are you now an apostate from the religion of your ancestors.?

 

[selfsame]

Still waiting for a reply to this, Mr. Radish. " Why is your religion true, and Christianity is false. " Don't want to hear about your belief, opinion or faith. What I am asking is for you to give objective , verifiable proof, of why Islam is true, and Christianity is false. Other than opinion based on hearsay and literature written by nomads and goat herders, hundreds of years ago.

Mr. Turnip, the Islam is not different from Christianity in origin, both were God's religion, but the different and the wrong are those who worshiped the Baal and Astaroth and the gold calf statue made for them by the Samaritan in the time of Moses and by Jeroboam after the death of Solomon.

The Disagreement of the
They Worshiped the Idols

Not only that, but also, why have you abandoned the religion of your forefathers, in favor of this relatively new religion that you follow. Why are you now an apostate from the religion of your ancestors.?

So this is your mind and intelligence?
This will be the last post:
Quran 39: 11-15
{11. Say [Mohammed to them]: I have been commanded only to worship God [alone], exclusively devoting d for Him my religion [: my obedience.]

12. “And I have been commanded to be the first one to submit myself [to His obedience and comply with His religion.]”

13. Say: "I fear, if I rebel against my Lord e, the retribution of a mighty [Dooms] Day.

14. Say: It is God That I do worship: exclusively devoting my “obedience and submission” to Him [alone, and not to anyone else.]

15. So worship whatever you [associaters and idolaters] like apart from Him [and you will then lose.]
Say [to them]: the losers are in fact those who [will] lose their own souls and their families on Doomsday.
Most certainly, this is the real loss [because they will lose Paradise and substitute it with Fire.]}
.........................................................

d i.e. I do not associate anyone in worshiping Him.
e Concerning that to which you invite me.

 

[MHz]

Once again you have taken the opportunity to address a question that was not asked of you. The question was put to the Selfsame character. Yes I know you fancy yourself to be a scholar and are special in that 'You" , are the only authority in matters of history and religion, (which is a joke), Still, your manners lack refinement. We like to call it, in these parts, "Butt out Buttinski". I'm asking your buddy.

So?
I appear to be the only one who has read the Bible and sees it as a single work. News Flash, that is what the book itself suggests.
What the fuk does that mean? There are no refined people here to be able to take advantage of said refinement.
If you stick with 'your buddies' you will end up being a worse troll than they are.

 

[Ludlow]

It's okay to run from the question. Your appeal to your authority is all you have. You use these writings to try and prove the validity of those writings. But they have no validity. They are based upon "opinion and belief". Nothing more. And that can apply to all "faith based' religions. Your knowledge is based upon hearsay. Nothing more. Which makes the value of what you say, of no worth .

 

[MHz]

You didn't answer the question. Your statement implies that Mohamed's warring was a direct result of the Crusades (Christian Holy Wars). Either answer the question, or admit that you don't know and got it wrong.

I'm pretty sure when you are attacked in your own land it is called 'defensive' and it is the (Christian) invaders that is the warring party. Please try and follow along.

 

[Frankiedoodle]

When it comes to the Bible I do not understand how people believe that there was a reporter, right there to record what anyone said, verbatim. Many of the sayings were written hundreds of years later. Also a lot was based on the person that translated the writings into English. I have mentioned before that the Bible is meant to be a guide as to how we should live, but only a guide. One point, the Bible says that we are not to kill. I had a friend who took it literally and would not even kill a fly or a mosquito. As he reads it most of us are guilty of murder, several times in our lives.

 

[gerryh]

I'm pretty sure when you are attacked in your own land it is called 'defensive' and it is the (Christian) invaders that is the warring party. Please try and follow along.

again, when were the crusades, and when was Mohamed's conquests.

 

[Ludlow]

And inadmissible in judge Judy's
courtroom.

 

[selfsame]

Lack of faith.

I think lack of faith is not enough as an explanation; so that even if a non-believer and you tell him: I will die and be revived again; he may not believe you, but when he will see you before his eyes, he will not surprise and will admit it.
But the better explanation and more logical: he was released from prison without being executed.

 

[MHz]

again, when were the crusades, and when was Mohamed's conquests.

If Islam came into being in 600AD the wars was from 601AD until 2015AD so far. That about sum it up?

 

[Ludlow]

You are right. The writings were produced several decades after Jesus. Assembled by a group of men in the fourth century . Many of those writings were disallowed. Literalism, "taking the bible literally, " came about in the nineteenth century. Maybe as a result of the reaction to the so called age of Enlightenment. Religion is all about faith. And that should be enough.

There may have been other sources but you are right, The literature was produced long after Jesus death.

Replying to Frankee

 

[MHz]

You are right. The writings were produced several decades after Jesus. Assembled by a group of men in the fourth century . Many of those writings were disallowed. Literalism, "taking the bible literally, " came about in the nineteenth century. Maybe as a result of the reaction to the so called age of Enlightenment. Religion is all about faith. And that should be enough.

Are you saying a few decades is 4 centuries.

New Flash: Luke 21:12-24 was a prophecy that the Apostles would experience before 70AD as that is when the armies surrounded Jerusalem. Not like God to give a prophecy after the event is already history. Nor would a mention of the scattering be given before it took place if it was a 'past tense' reference.

Jas:1:1:
James,
a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,
greeting.

Nor can these statements be true if the writings were not produced shortly after the cross.

Joh:21:24:
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things,
and wrote these things:
and we know that his testimony is true.

1Jo:1:1-3:
That which was from the beginning,
which we have heard,
which we have seen with our eyes,
which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled,
of the Word of life;
(For the life was manifested,
and we have seen it,
and bear witness,
and shew unto you that eternal life,
which was with the Father,
and was manifested unto us
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with his Son Jesus Christ.

 

[gerryh]

If Islam came into being in 600AD the wars was from 601AD until 2015AD so far. That about sum it up?

In other words, you don't have a clue

Mohamed was not "defending" himself against Christians or Jews during his life. Once again you prove your ignorance and show that when you really don't know you just make shyte up. Doesn't matter if it's about history, the Bible, or your personal life. You just make shyte up.