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IdRatherBeSkiing

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ok, back in business. they have recovered from their paralysis, now seems they are ready for playoffs.

looking forward to stroman again, thought we wouldn't see him till next year.

price just isn't getting it done.

carry on fellas, this is fun.

Replay of game 2 starters in game 5. Unless they go with their game 1 starter. I have seen/heard both names for Texas. Both are available.

Should Blue Jays win, neither Price nor Stroman would be available for ALCS game 1.
 

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Heads up win by the Jays today. More like the team that went on the last roll. I thought the pitching staff did a good job though I too wonder about David Price a bit. Again the guys seemed more focused on simply putting bodies on bases - those homers came right out the blue and what a pretty sight - the only thing better would have been more players on base but each one drove the score higher.

Mission accomplished so far. Now to wrap it up back home.
 

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Heads up win by the Jays today. More like the team that went on the last roll. I thought the pitching staff did a good job though I too wonder about David Price a bit. Again the guys seemed more focused on simply putting bodies on bases - those homers came right out the blue and what a pretty sight - the only thing better would have been more players on base but each one drove the score higher.

Mission accomplished so far. Now to wrap it up back home.

I am very impressed with R.A. Dickey. His post-game interviews were very impressive. He said and I paraphrase: "It is amazing what can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit". 2 thumbs up.
 

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I'm mystified by John Gibbons pitching strategy.

Taking out R.A. Dickey in the 5th inning in game 4, a game that he was well in control of and with a 6 run lead.. costing him the well earned victory seemed almost a panic move for a situation that should have been left as is.

And bringing in David Price, essentially removing him from consideration for the starting position or even relief in Game 5 seemed to just squander a huge asset. Gibbons managed to take Price out of his rhythm by the long layoff at the end of the seaon.. and is frittering his talent away as a utility reliever in playoffs.

Imho.. its Price over Stroman who should have got the Start in game 5.. by way of his maturity and experience.. and his record in the latter part of the regular season.

Frankly the Blue Jays bats are so potent they can make up for anything but the most calamitous pitching let down. But if the Jays don't advance.. i think this whole pitching fiasco is going to be to blame.

Go Jays.
 
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IdRatherBeSkiing

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I'm mystified by John Gibbons pitching strategy.

Taking out R.A. Dickey in the 5th inning in game 4, a game that he was well in control of and a 6 run lead.. costing him the well earned victory seemed almost a panic move for a situation that should have been left as is.

And bringing in David Price, essentially removing him from consideration for the starting position or even relief in Game 5 seemed to just squander a huge asset. Gibbons managed to take Price out of his rhythm by the long layoff at the end of the seaon.. and is frittering his talent away as a utility reliever in playoffs.

Imho.. its Price over Stroman who should have got the Start in game 5.. by way of his maturity and experience.. and his record in the latter part of the regular season.

Frankly the Blue Jays bats are so potent they can make up for any but the most calamitous pitching letdown. But if the Jays don't advance.. i think this whole pitching fiasco is going to be to blame.

Go Jays.

I think he wanted to make sure Price would not be game 5 starter. Price has poor post-season record. They won't say this publically but the more I think about it, the more I think they decided to make Stroman game 5 starter. With Price in picture, that would have been a controversial decision. They picked their controversy.
 

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I am very impressed with R.A. Dickey. His post-game interviews were very impressive. He said and I paraphrase: "It is amazing what can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit". 2 thumbs up.


 

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I think he wanted to make sure Price would not be game 5 starter. Price has poor post-season record. They won't say this publically but the more I think about it, the more I think they decided to make Stroman game 5 starter. With Price in picture, that would have been a controversial decision. They picked their controversy.
I agree. He needed a reason to start Stroman in game 5 without being a slight on Price. Not a lot he could screw up with a 6 run lead, and his consellation prize being the win in his stats.

Pitching is a concern for game 5. No lefties in the lineup against a predominantly left batting lineup. And Texas has both of their aces going back to back. It won't be easy.
 

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I agree. He needed a reason to start Stroman in game 5 without being a slight on Price. Not a lot he could screw up with a 6 run lead, and his consellation prize being the win in his stats.

Pitching is a concern for game 5. No lefties in the lineup against a predominantly left batting lineup. And Texas has both of their aces going back to back. It won't be easy.

yes, that all makes sense, but what confuses me is, if price has a record of being a poor playoff
pitcher, what was all the hype and excitement about getting him for the playoffs, and its only
lucky that stroman is pitching, they had no idea he would be ready, so actually they could be
in a real mess, if stroman hadn't come back, and price isn't performing, and beurhle is toast,
guess Estrada and dickie would have been the only dependable ones left, seems they gave up the
farm for price, couldn't they have picked up a different pitcher. just wondering.
 

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yes, that all makes sense, but what confuses me is, if price has a record of being a poor playoff
pitcher, what was all the hype and excitement about getting him for the playoffs, and its only
lucky that stroman is pitching, they had no idea he would be ready, so actually they could be
in a real mess, if stroman hadn't come back, and price isn't performing, and beurhle is toast,
guess Estrada and dickie would have been the only dependable ones left, seems they gave up the
farm for price, couldn't they have picked up a different pitcher. just wondering.

Make no mistake, Price IS the reason we are here. We got him to be the ace down the stretch. When they got him they had no #5 starter. It was farm miracle day every 5th day -- whatever AAA pitcher was recently hot or at least not too sucky. They really didn't have a #1 starter either. All their guys are #2 type starters (Stroman was not in picture then). We also got him because if we didn't, the Yankees would have. And they would likely be division champs if they did. So Price did exactly what they got him for. If he can get over his playoff jitters, he is still a great pitcher. Also keep in mind I don't think any of his record is beyond first round. So what happens now is an unknown. Stroman is a nice bonus and will likely be the reason the Jays win World Series rather than go far in playoffs.
 

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Make no mistake, Price IS the reason we are here. We got him to be the ace down the stretch. When they got him they had no #5 starter. It was farm miracle day every 5th day -- whatever AAA pitcher was recently hot or at least not too sucky. They really didn't have a #1 starter either. All their guys are #2 type starters (Stroman was not in picture then). We also got him because if we didn't, the Yankees would have. And they would likely be division champs if they did. So Price did exactly what they got him for. If he can get over his playoff jitters, he is still a great pitcher. Also keep in mind I don't think any of his record is beyond first round. So what happens now is an unknown. Stroman is a nice bonus and will likely be the reason the Jays win World Series rather than go far in playoffs.

yep, I get it, makes sense.
 

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I'm concerned about Stroman.. who's talented but very young to be put in this position. I think taking R.A. Dickey out of Game 4 failed to capitalize to full effect on the effect knuckle ballers have on hitters.. in detuning their timing... sometimes for days.

We saw what Price is capable of when not over rested and primed to go in his regular cycle. There's just a lot of gambits that Gibbons has played in this. I suppose he should get credit if the Jays advance.. but a lot of the blame will rest on these decisions if we don't.

Go Jays.
 
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i hope that blonde afro/halfro doesn't jinx us. :shock:
 
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talloola

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good stuff boys, movin on, lots of strange things in this game, doesn't matter now, its a W I N

American league east champs, now they are ready for anything and everything.