Liberals now pulling away from Cons into majority territory

waldo

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You really aren't listening are you??

The Conservative move will benefit Moms that choose to raise their own kids, instead of turning them over to an expensive and inefficient, government program, and it will do so in a couple of ways. First, a stay-at-home Mom (or Dad) will realize a $2000 benefit. As well, many stay at home Moms (like my daughter-in-law) take in a couple of kids from friends or relatives to supplement their otherwise non-existent income.

yeesh! Make up your mind! Notwithstanding your assumption on the full $2000 cap benefit for, again, that very small contingent of Canadians actually eligible for any benefit from that Harper Conservative income-splitting proposal.
Income splitting as proposed by the Harper gov't is intended to allow families with children to split incomes so they can save tax dollars and use them for child care. That is why the proposal is limited to families with children.
 

waldo

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Irony, look it up. While you're at it, look up hypocrite.

it seems like quite the insult-fest many of you are so ensconced in around here. I don't go out of my way to stir-the-shyte like many do around here... but I most certainly won't sit back and essentially enable the crap coming at me. Rather than back-slapping each other over the latest insult thrown, why not try, uhhh... you know, real dialogue, real meaningful discussion. Or are you guys just so far gone that insult/attack is your first reach, hey?
 

CDNBear

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it seems like quite the insult-fest many of you are so ensconced in around here. I don't go out of my way to stir-the-shyte like many do around here...
LOL, liar.

but I most certainly won't sit back and essentially enable the crap coming at me. Rather than back-slapping each other over the latest insult thrown, why not try, uhhh... you know, real dialogue, real meaningful discussion.
You aren't capable of any of that , beyond mutual mental masturbation with the like minded.

Or are you guys just so far gone that insult/attack is your first reach, hey?
Only when we see the predictable coming.
 

Colpy

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why are you in favour of a stupid Harper Conservative proposal that (per CD Howe) only benefits 15% of Canadian families... and of those, nearly half the benefits would flow to those who (probably) need the benefit the least... those making more than $100,000 per year. No benefits for those who, apparently, don't meet the Harper Conservative definition of a family (i.e., 2 working parents with children under 18years. Per the Harper Conservative Finance Department: "the income-splitting proposal will cost the treasury about $2.4 billion in foregone revenues in the current fiscal year, and an average of about $2 billion per year over the next five years"... bye, bye surplus on a hyped proposal that offers no benefits to the vast majority of Canadians! You know, "not a wise investment for Canadians"!

Wrong.

The plan would have benefited me for much of my working life (when we had young children), and I've been married for 38 years. My wife stayed home for several years when we had kids, and before you go there this was in the 1980s, and I was making less than $35,000 a year.

The plan will benefit my son, as his wife stays home with their kids, and takes in other kids..........but does not make much money.

The plan would have benefited my best friends, as he worked full time, and she was a musician in a rock and roll band.......

If you want to whine about expensive plans that do nothing for the working poor, then look at Mulcair's personal descent into stupidity on the national daycare plan.
 

Colpy

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yeesh! Make up your mind! Notwithstanding your assumption on the full $2000 cap benefit for, again, that very small contingent of Canadians actually eligible for any benefit from that Harper Conservative income-splitting proposal.

Four million families eligible.

BTW, have you NEVER noticed than with working couples one typically makes much more than the other??
 

waldo

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the numbers are in; again, very few Canadians will benefit from the Harper Conservative income-splitting proposal... of those that will, most won't realize the max cap $2000 benefit. Notwithstanding the majority of those that are eligible for the benefit are the highest income earners who (probably) need the miniscule benefit the least.

Four million families eligible.

BTW, have you NEVER noticed than with working couples one typically makes much more than the other??

4 million families eligible???

The vast majority of families are not likely to benefit, according to reports from The C.D. Howe Institute and The Broadbent Institute. They found that 85 to 90 per cent of households would see no rebates from this tax break at all.

Those likely to see the biggest benefit would be single-income families, in which one spouse is making at least a six-figure income and the other is making little to no money. According to the Broadbent report, in order to benefit most from the plan, one spouse would need to make at least $100,000 more than the other.

The reason that the majority of families in Canada wouldn't benefit is because so many families have two income earners in the same tax bracket. Single parents also miss out, since they have no one to split their income with. Families with children no longer under the age of 18 do not qualify either.
 

Colpy

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the numbers are in; again, very few Canadians will benefit from the Harper Conservative income-splitting proposal... of those that will, most won't realize the max cap $2000 benefit. Notwithstanding the majority of those that are eligible for the benefit are the highest income earners who (probably) need the miniscule benefit the least.

Speaking of parroting talking points, you are doing a pretty good stab at that yourself.

Mulcair's plan is of NO benefit to working families with few means as (and you refuse to address this) poor wage earners typically do not work during day care hours.

So, you have a choice between a plan that helps (Harper) or a plan that does nothing (Mulcair)
 

waldo

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Speaking of parroting talking points, you are doing a pretty good stab at that yourself.

talking points??? From 2 diametrically opposed 3rd parties... C.D. Howe & the Broadbent Institute? You seem quite shifty in how you move from direct discussion on who benefits from the Harper Conservative income-splitting proposal into comparing it's assumed attachment to child-care with the actual NDP child-care proposal.

He doesn't get his irony.

I believe my read of the forum rules says stalking between threads is not allowed. Please cease and desist! Thanks for your consideration.
 

waldo

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You know, if you actually address me, you whining about 'stalking', just looks really dumb, lol.

no whining here; I simply pointed out to you one of the forum rules I just read a short while back. Here's a thought... give them a read, collect yourself and come back with a more positive outlook. I bet you get real inspired. Good luck.
 

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no whining here; I simply pointed out to you one of the forum rules I just read a short while back. Here's a thought... give them a read, collect yourself and come back with a more positive outlook. I bet you get real inspired. Good luck.

A positive outlook is difficult for CB. He considers himself disadvantaged. I can only imagine how bizarre somebody in Somalia or some other **** hole would find that view

Coupled with his drug use, you can clearly see he has some self esteem issues.
 

CDNBear

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no whining here; I simply pointed out to you one of the forum rules I just read a short while back. Here's a thought... give them a read, collect yourself and come back with a more positive outlook. I bet you get real inspired. Good luck.

A positive outlook is difficult for CB. He considers himself disadvantaged. I can only imagine how bizarre somebody in Somalia or some other **** hole would find that view

I always find it hilarious when the cowards hide their insults, then whine about those who just aren't.

That's actually pretty positive, lolz.

Coupled with his drug use, you can clearly see he has some self esteem issues.
lolz. I see you're very upset. Maybe you should take a break. Jian will be OK, I'm sorry I made fun of him.
 

waldo

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A positive outlook is difficult for CB.

presuming to "one-up" another member is, of course, a big draw for some in forum discussion... there can be an intellectual aligned draw behind that in terms of expressed knowledge/insight/experience, etc. And then there's the insult aligned draw that the Bear seems to prefer!
 

CDNBear

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presuming to "one-up" another member is, of course, a big draw for some in forum discussion... there can be an intellectual aligned draw behind that in terms of expressed knowledge/insight/experience, etc. And then there's the insult aligned draw that the Bear seems to prefer!
Seriously, are you really not able to grasp irony?

I mean it's funny and all, but it's gotten to the point of absurdity now, lol.