Royal Navy scrambles destroyer to challenge Russian warship off UK coast

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No; we keep our focus on the national debt, not on how many ships we have.

That's why you have to rely on the United States to defend you.

It's no good having a good national debt and just three warships when hostile ships enter your waters.
 

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Might as well name them all HMS Hood.

Russian Navy to Get 40 New Ships in 2014 | Defense | RIA Novosti
MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Navy is expected to receive 40 new warships and auxiliary vessels in 2014, a high-ranking official said Friday.
In addition to surface ships of various classes, the navy will also commission the third Borey-class nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine, the Vladimir Monomakh, and a Varshavyanka-class diesel electric submarine, Rear Admiral Viktor Bursuk, a deputy commander of the Russian navy, said.
Bursuk, who oversees weapons procurement for the navy, said that Russia will continue the repair and overhaul of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser and three nuclear-powered attack submarines this year.


Russia to Test 70 New Rockets and Missiles in 2014 | Defense | RIA Novosti

MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian military plans to test around 70 types of rocket and missile weaponry at a major testing site this year, a Defense Ministry spokesman has said.
The testing program at the Kapustin Yar range in southern Russia will include about 300 launches of rockets, missiles, and aerial drones as part of more than 180 R&D projects, said Colonel Igor Yegorov.
 

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There's no point wasting money on a military larger than what is actually needed for national defence. No need to prepare for a Mars invasion.
 

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Canada's been invaded how many times?
Well there was the British and the French inspired wars and the American (European really) money masters so the real question is when has Canada ever repelled any invasion?

There's no point wasting money on a military larger than what is actually needed for national defence. No need to prepare for a Mars invasion.
All those new weapons are for NATO wars overseas, it has nothing to do with defence.
 

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Canada's been invaded how many times?


Britain hasn't been invaded since 1066, but this UNEXPECTED incident just before Christmas shows that the unexpected can happen at any moment and that a strong navy is necessary.

What would Canada do now if several heavily armed Russian warships unexpectedly entered Canadian waters, just as they have done in British waters? No amount of shouting at the Russkies that you have a perfect, world-beating economy and a complete lack of national debt (no matter how much bull**** that is) is hardly going to scare the Russkies off.

History has proven many times that the game of "We don't need a strong military because we aren't under threat at all" is a very dangerous game to play.
 

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Britain hasn't been invaded since 1066, but this UNEXPECTED incident just before Christmas shows that the unexpected can happen at any moment and that a strong navy is necessary.

What would Canada do now if several heavily armed Russian warships unexpectedly entered Canadian waters, just as they have done in British waters? No amount of shouting at the Russkies that you have a perfect, world-beating economy and a complete lack of national debt (no matter how much bull**** that is) is hardly going to scare the Russkies off.

History has proven many times that the game of "We don't need a strong military because we aren't under threat at all" is a very dangerous game to play.

The Afghans beat the Soviets and the Vietnamese the Americans; and the Nazis feared invading Switzerland.

Military might is not the only factor that determines victory.
 

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The Afghans beat the Soviets and the Vietnamese the Americans; and the Nazis feared invading Switzerland.

Military might is not the only factor that determines victory.


So are you saying the Canadians would be able to defeat a heavily armed flotilla of Russian warships, or a flotilla of eight British Type 45 destroyers and six Type 23 frigates, armed with nothing more than 15 lightly armed warships and a few fishery protection vessels?
 

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........ world-beating economy and a complete lack of national debt (no matter how much bull**** that is) is hardly going to scare the Russkies off.
Russia is the least of our worries.

Federal debt | qualicuminstitute.ca

I assume that is minus the $ 37B Canada pays the European banksters every year in interest alone.



In other words, of the accumulated debt of $423 billion, the government really needed to borrow only $37 billionaccumulated over 127 yearsto cover its shortfalls on real spending for goods and services. The rest of that accumulated debt was monies borrowed to service the debt, essentially a payment of interest on interest to the private sector when the government could have created the money to cover the shortfall at what amounts to be no interest.

According to Paul Hellyer, from 1974–1975 to 2010, Canadian taxpayers have paid one trillion, 100 billion dollars ($1,100,000,000,000) in interest on the federal debt to private lenders.4 In 2011, alone, Canadian taxpayers paid the private banks an estimated $37.7 billion to service the federal debt—over $103 million each and every day of the year!5 These are tax dollars that, ceteris paribus, could have gone towards infrastructure, health care, education, and other social needs (see examples in Table 1, below) if the Government of Canada used the Bank of Canada to create the money to cover its shortfall. Ultimately, the government could pay off the federal debt through the same means.

And consider this: from confederation to 1974, Canada fought two world wars, went through a major depression, constructed major infrastructures such as the St. Lawrence Seaway, Trans-Canada Highway, International airports, Canadian National Railway, and brought in social welfare programs such as Family Allowance, Old Age Security pensions, Canada Pension Plan, Universal Health Care and wound up with a total accumulated debt of only $21.6 billion. Today our federal debt is approaching $600 billion and the government is continually cutting services while our infrastructure is not being maintained. Meanwhile, the private banks keep increasing their already obscene profits. This “subsidy” to the private banks must end.
 

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So are you saying the Canadians would be able to defeat a heavily armed flotilla of Russian warships, or a flotilla of eight British Type 45 destroyers and six Type 23 frigates, armed with nothing more than 15 lightly armed warships and a few fishery protection vessels?

No, I'm not. Look at the examples I'd given. What I'm saying is though you may or may not win, we must question if the war would be worthwhile. The british beat the French in North America and we're still paying for it. We 'beat' the First Nations, and we regret it today.

Any nation with a knowledge of history would be hesitant about invading Canada, even if only because of the price of victory.
 

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And consider this: from confederation to 1974, Canada fought two world wars, went through a major depression, constructed major infrastructures such as the St. Lawrence Seaway, Trans-Canada Highway, International airports, Canadian National Railway, and brought in social welfare programs such as Family Allowance, Old Age Security pensions, Canada Pension Plan, Universal Health Care and wound up with a total accumulated debt of only $21.6 billion.


Poor Canada. It's really be hard-done by, hasn't it? It's obviously had to put up with much more devastation and catastrophe and upheaval in the last 100 years than the European nations.

Remember, the Canadian economy is nothing more than an extension of the US economy, and relies heavily upon it. The health of the Canadian economy depends greatly upon the health of the US economy.

 

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Poor Canada. It's really be hard-done by, hasn't it? It's obviously had to put up with much more devastation and catastrophe and upheaval in the last 100 years than the European nations.

Remember, the Canadian economy is nothing more than an extension of the US economy, and relies heavily upon it. The health of the Canadian economy depends greatly upon the health of the US economy.



Yes it does, and that is why the US screws us over by growing its debt to spend so much on its military. A strong US economy would do Canada well.

But it also goes the other way, albeit to a much lesser degree. A strong Canadian economy also benefits at least the Northern border states.
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