Ottawa Catholic School Board alters policy thanks to Shiny Pony

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Parents concerned about “scandals” such as federal Liberal leader Justin Trudeau’s visit to a Catholic elementary school appear to have spurred a policy review by their school board.

But a revised Ottawa Catholic School Board policy that calls for partnerships to be directed by “moral teaching” doesn’t go far enough to ensure that speakers such as Trudeau — who supports same-sex marriage and has said a woman’s right to choose whether to have an abortion is a “fundamental right” — are vetted before being brought into schools, some parents say.


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Justin Trudeau’s visit to Orleans school, other ‘scandals’ prompt revision to Ottawa Catholic School Board policy

 

[Sal]

oh man, that is just sad, sad, sad

 

[Machjo]

Are we talking about publicly-funded Catholic schools or privately-funded?

Just askin'.

 

[Sal]

Are we talking about publicly-funded Catholic schools or privately-funded?

Just askin'.

they are the same thing, Catholics pay taxes and then direct their tax to which ever school system they want...thus it is publicly funded... why don't people get that

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Are we talking about publicly-funded Catholic schools or privately-funded?

Just askin'.

Does it matter? We are the stupid ones for giving them public money for a private system.

 

[Machjo]

they are the same thing, Catholics pay taxes and then direct their tax to which ever school system they want...thus it is publicly funded... why don't people get that

Partially correct. The taxes are pooled together. We just get to choose which one we get to vote for, but the funding is still pooled together.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

they are the same thing, Catholics pay taxes and then direct their tax to which ever school system they want...thus it is publicly funded... why don't people get that

That's the way it used to be. I believe they also get a share of the money designated for education (on top of the part of the property tax). I think this was a McSquinty reform.

 

[Sal]

That's the way it used to be. I believe they also get a share of the money designated for education (on top of the part of the property tax). I think this was a McSquinty reform.

all schools are funded by the number of children present...

 

[Machjo]

Does it matter? We are the stupid ones for giving them public money for a private system.

And guaranteed it in the Constitution no less. But of course this applies only to specific religions naturally.

 

[Sal]

If a Lease support is not sent to the government they do not receive that portion of money for that child

in other words each child is guaranteed a % of support period...

 

[Machjo]

As sal says, movey is divvied up based on student population not on which school board parents will vote for.

But again, the constitution guarantees this only to a particular religion.

 

[captain morgan]

they are the same thing, Catholics pay taxes and then direct their tax to which ever school system they want...thus it is publicly funded... why don't people get that

'Cause some people refuse to understand.. It's a conscious choice

Does it matter? We are the stupid ones for giving them public money for a private system.

People that send their kids to private schools also pay into the public system.. It's not unreasonable that they get a few bucks back to educate their kids

But again, the constitution guarantees this only to a particular religion.

Then change the Constitution or Charter or whatever the hell it is, just stop yet fukkin bitchin

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

People that send their kids to private schools also pay into the public system.. It's not unreasonable that they get a few bucks back to educate their kids

I disagree completely. I think the government should provide ONE system (the public system). All tax money should go into funding that. If somebody opts out of that system for a private (including Catholic) school, then they should do so with their own money. It is their own choice after all.

 

[Machjo]

Then change the Constitution or Charter or whatever the hell it is, just stop yet fukkin bitchin

That was tried by two political parties two provincial elections ago here in Ontario. The population made it loud and clear that they support discrimination.

I disagree completely. I think the government should provide ONE system (the public system). All tax money should go into funding that. If somebody opts out of that system for a private (including Catholic) school, then they should do so with their own money. It is their own choice after all.

My preferred option would be a Swedish-style voucher programme. However, your proposal would be my second-preferred option. both options have the merit of conforming to the principles of the UDHR and other international laws.

 

[captain morgan]

I disagree completely. I think the government should provide ONE system (the public system). All tax money should go into funding that. If somebody opts out of that system for a private (including Catholic) school, then they should do so with their own money. It is their own choice after all.

Fair enough, but in the grand scheme, those folks that send their kids to private and charter schools still pay education taxes intended to educate their kids... Regardless of what logic is used, people with families (that pay taxes) would then be short-changed on the transaction.

To my knowledge, the budgetary formula for education is comprised of a number of elements including a per student allocation (separate from facilities, maintenance, etc). My understanding is that it is the per student allocation that follows a kid around to private and charter schools, so in the end, the public system does get the extra monies to support the public/separate systems.

Lastly, when the Catholic system came about, it was/is an entirely separate system in which they funded and staffed their own schools. Essentially, the money that they receive is directed specifically to them by the rate-payer...

Democracy in action

 

[Machjo]

Again you're wrong on that last point. The funding is pooled.

As for democracy in action, it's rigged. A few years back a Jewish father in Ontario in fact made a complaint to the UNHCHR saying he had to pay out of pocket for his son's education whereas had he been Catholic his son's Catholic education would have been taxpayer funded. The UNHCR sided with him saying it should be one way or another, either none or all. In Ontario private schools do not receive funding like public ones.

 

[captain morgan]

Again you're wrong on that last point. The funding is pooled.

So what?

Obviously there are enough people that want their kid sent to a Catholic school that it comprises a huge amount of the 'pool'... In fact, the 'pool' was big enough historically to fund it's own operations in direct response to the actual taxpayers.

This is the part you just don't like.. There are a huge number of Catholic taxpayers that pay into the system and have indicated that they way their money spent on a specific education.

There's your direct democracy

As for democracy in action, it's rigged. A few years back a Jewish father in Ontario in fact made a complaint to the UNHCHR saying he had to pay out of pocket for his son's education whereas had he been Catholic his son's Catholic education would have been taxpayer funded. The UNHCR sided with him saying it should be one way or another, either none or all. In Ontario private schools do not receive funding like public ones.

Ohhhhh... The UN has delivered it's decree has it?... I'm all-a-shakin in my space boots

I can hardly wait until there is a family of Wiccans that demand a new set of schools from primary through high school to accommodate all 6 Wiccan kids in a population of 100,000.... Will that make the UN and you happy?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I hope this means we'll have more shiny ponies in Ottawa schools.