Secret PMO fund

[Cobalt_Kid]

Sounds like there was a secret fund set up in the PMO for the use of the conservative chief of staff that contained up to almost $1,000,000 dollars at a time. Some of it came from taxpayers.

PM's former chief of staff controlled secret Tory fund - Politics - CBC News

The conservative party is now denying the fund exists, although it didn't earlier in the week.

Conservative Party denies secret fund run by PMO - Politics - CBC News

On Friday, the party issued a statement that said: "The CBC claimed there is a 'secret' Conservative Party fund run by the PMO. This is false."

But the party had no such denials on Tuesday when CBC sent Conservative spokesman Fred DeLorey an email asking for details about "the special discretionary CPC [Conservative Party of Canada] fund controlled by the PM's chief of staff."

CBC had already confirmed the existence of the fund from other sources, and the email clearly identified it as money used for partisan purposes.

The more we learn about it, the more the Harper government takes on the appearance of a criminal organization with layers of concealment to make it hard to get an objective idea of what's going on inside it.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Not surprising, the Conservatives have basically turned into the latter years of the Chretien dynasty. If only Harper would smack someone with a soap stone carving, the circle would be complete.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if a forensic audit revealed this was the source of the money behind the conservative robocalls campaign, Pierre Poutine may have been Harper's chief of staff.

You set up this kind of fund when you want to be able to circumvent the law and any government oversight. Harper has plausible deniability, all he had to do was say to his chief of staff, we need to win this election, take care of it or for things like the senate scandal, have standing orders that any potential scandals be taken care of behind the scenes as Nigel Wright clearly attempted to do.

 

[damngrumpy]

There is no doubt the financing of the robocalls and all the other things like the attack ads
on leaders comes from covert sources. They don't deny it, then they do deny it sorry the
horses are gone. Duffy has opened a Pandora's box as it were. There are a number of things
at play here. Many Conservatives, those who still believe we should have an open society
are tired of the muzzle. The bad boys club like Duffy and the hangers on are being ferreted out
and the public doesn't like it. The of course the Media now smells political blood and this is going
to go on summer. If it gets worse there are two choices. One they call an election early to save
themselves and the party brand. Two Harper takes his pension the one the Reformers all complained
about and heads off to be with Campbell serving High Tea in London or somewhere.
The Teflon coating that once covered Steven Harper is now starting to chip away and the guy with
the icepick is Young Trudeau. Harper can hear him coming but he can't see him yet.
When the glory boy has looks, youth, and si*t eating grin and a way with the fluttering hearts with the
ladies, he's pretty hard to beat. Oh I know there are a thousand issues and a million sins to talk
about but none of that matters its Justin. The Right wing worked on fear and negativity to diminish
their opponents. Trudeau will use charm and sex and it wins every time. Must be frustrating to get
a chance to bring in yesterdays solutions to tomorrows problems and get half done and some guy
comes along with a smile and it all fades away. That is what's coming folks. Oh and the secret fund?
If two or more people know its not a secret anymore the fund is real

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Whatever happens, democracy in Canada is even weaker now than when Harper took over. He seems to have tried to push the limits of the law and rules in government and Parliament as far as he possibly could without being immediately held responsible. Now that he's in a majority it's impossible to conceal the dimensions of what's been going on behind the scenes, there's too many people involved and many of them like Duffy seem to have lost all caution in how they abuse the system... they seem to assume there is no effective controls left to prevent them from doing so.

 

[L Gilbert]

Nonsense. The only vestige of democracy in Canada that we've had for decades, we still have (voting for whichever scammer we prefer to "represent" us. The rest is a carefully engineered appearance of democracy concocted by the plutocrats and oligarchs.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Nonsense. The only vestige of democracy in Canada that we've had for decades, we still have (voting for whichever scammer we prefer to "represent" us. The rest is a carefully engineered appearance of democracy concocted by the plutocrats and oligarchs.

And who would they be exactly?

It's far harder to control an entire nation than your constant claims of some vast conspiracy to deny us any representation would indicate.

The Canadian political system isn't perfect, no system is, but it's been far more free in the past than many places. Ad some of the measures that have been and still are used to deny representation in other places are being used here by the current Harper government to neutralize what limited broad-based representation we have.

The House has and still continues to a degree to function as a forum to express the wishes and needs of many Canadians, by having an inner and unacknowledged center of power in the PMO operating behind the scenes to further circumvent Canadian laws and political accountability we have even less freedom and the opportunity for freedom in the future. Stephen Harper isn't working to operate outside Parliamentary control because that's the tradition here, he's seeking to do so because it suits his interests even if it harms the vast majority of us in the future.

There is greater accountability when Parliament is allowed to function and when our elected representatives are allowed to bring forth measures and laws that will benefit their constituents.

 

[L Gilbert]

And who would they be exactly?

Look around. Politicians and the rich are all over the place.

It's far harder to control an entire nation than your constant claims of some vast conspiracy to deny us any representation would indicate.

You think. Apparently, you are not very cognizant of the many ways of controlling the public. The oligarchs and plutocracy do not need force or much fear to rule.

The Canadian political system isn't perfect, no system is, but it's been far more free in the past than many places.

Simply because technologies and information availability.

Ad some of the measures that have been and still are used to deny representation in other places are being used here by the current Harper government to neutralize what limited broad-based representation we have.

....... speaking of sneaky conspiracy hypotheses.
You either overestimate Harpy's abilities or underestimate the power of in-depth thought and astute observation or perhaps both. My theory is that this stems from being blinded by partisanship and hatred.

The House has and still continues to a degree to function as a forum to express the wishes and needs of many Canadians, by having an inner and unacknowledged center of power in the PMO operating behind the scenes to further circumvent Canadian laws and political accountability we have even less freedom and the opportunity for freedom in the future.

Speaking of sneaky conspiracy hypotheses; "by having an inner and unacknowledged center of power in the PMO operating behind the scenes".
Funny, I haven't sensed any loss of freedoms. Examples?

Stephen Harper isn't working to operate outside Parliamentary control because that's the tradition here, he's seeking to do so because it suits his interests even if it harms the vast majority of us in the future.

Ya think? But that still doesn't make him any different than the previous PMs. Martin being one of the most despicable (and recent) creatures who has done so.

There is greater accountability when Parliament is allowed to function

Really? When did it quit functioning?

and when our elected representatives are allowed to bring forth measures and laws that will benefit their constituents.

Harper Government Accomplishments - Gen X at 40

Harper Government has a Long List of Accomplishments on Aboriginal Issues

Harper Government Record: | theseus at labyrinth

Any of that stuff untrue?

You seem to lump all shenanigans of people under Harpy into one big ball that rests on Harpy's shoulders. Well, he is the PM after all, but since when has any PM had complete control over the people under them? How is Harpy atypical in that regard? Like I said a long time ago, I think your objectivity is non-existent.

 

[damngrumpy]

The difference is Harper promised a different way of doing business and the old methods
would be a thing of the past. I know too many were stupid enough to believe but I do think
the over all state of the nation has deteriorated since this scheming little gang of social
conservatives took power. Slowly but surely they are dismantling the social safety net
of Canadians and for that they are going to pay in the end. The beginning of the end is on
the wall as we are watching play out

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Look around. Politicians and the rich are all over the place.

You think. Apparently, you are not very cognizant of the many ways of controlling the public. The oligarchs and plutocracy do not need force or much fear to rule.

Simply because technologies and information availability. ....... speaking of sneaky conspiracy hypotheses.
You either overestimate Harpy's abilities or underestimate the power of in-depth thought and astute observation or perhaps both. My theory is that this stems from being blinded by partisanship and hatred.

Speaking of sneaky conspiracy hypotheses; "by having an inner and unacknowledged center of power in the PMO operating behind the scenes".
Funny, I haven't sensed any loss of freedoms. Examples?
Ya think? But that still doesn't make him any different than the previous PMs. Martin being one of the most despicable (and recent) creatures who has done so.

Really? When did it quit functioning? Harper Government Accomplishments - Gen X at 40

Harper Government has a Long List of Accomplishments on Aboriginal Issues

Harper Government Record: | theseus at labyrinth

Any of that stuff untrue?

You seem to lump all shenanigans of people under Harpy into one big ball that rests on Harpy's shoulders. Well, he is the PM after all, but since when has any PM had complete control over the people under them? How is Harpy atypical in that regard? Like I said a long time ago, I think your objectivity is non-existent.

All this really indicates is you've drunk the coolaid, I do believe I'll leave you permanently on ignore with people like Darkbeaver.

 

[Locutus]

The difference is Harper promised a different way of doing business and the old methods
would be a thing of the past. I know too many were stupid enough to believe but I do think
the over all state of the nation has deteriorated since this scheming little gang of social
conservatives took power. Slowly but surely they are dismantling the social safety net
of Canadians and for that they are going to pay in the end. The beginning of the end is on
the wall as we are watching play out

Bfd.

Sounds like the mutt south of the border too. :lol:

 

[Durry]

There is no secret PMO bank account.

This is complete nonsense!!

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Tell that to the conservatives who admitted it existed.

Tory line on PMO fund 'doesn't wash,' Mulcair says - Politics - CBC News

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair says the Conservative line on a partisan fund run by the Prime Minister's Office "doesn't wash," as a Conservative MP appears to contradict his own party's statement denying the existence of the fund.

In an interview airing Saturday on CBC Radio's The House, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence Chris Alexander said "no one is denying" the existence of a special discretionary Conservative Party fund controlled by the prime minister's chief of staff.

When first asked to explain various aspects of the fund earlier this week, Conservative Party spokesman Fred DeLorey said "the prime minister at times incurs expenses that are best paid by the party."

When asked "Is there any reason those funds could not have been used in the Duffy-Wright deal?" DeLorey replied that "no funds were used for that."

However, on Friday, the Conservative Party denied the existence of any such fund run by the PMO and called the CBC story "false" and "misleading."

Mulcair told The House if the partisan fund didn't exist, that would have been the Conservative Party's first answer.

"But it wasn't their first answer," Mulcair said, adding that "they started explaining it away" and "tried to come up with a new version."

"It doesn't wash," Mulcair said.

First it was there and just as suddenly it wasn't, makes you wonder just what the money was being used for.

Tories send mixed messages

When first asked by host Evan Solomon if a fund exists that is controlled by the prime minister's chief of staff separate from the Conservative Party of Canada fund, Alexander said "it's the same fund, it's Conservative Party of Canada funds."

Alexander explained that "some [funds] were administered by officials in the prime minister's office because they control the prime minister's schedule."

"The discretion of the leader of the party matters," Alexander said, adding that the prime minister's "staff inside the PMO have the obligation to administer that."

Asked what the money in the special discretionary fund was used for under Wright, Alexander could not say but insisted every dollar in the fund was accounted for.

"We audit it and we report it to Elections Canada," Alexander said.

When pressed again on the question of whether a special discretionary fund controlled by the chief of staff exists and is separate from the Conservative Party of Canada fund — the same question that was posed to DeLorey days earlier — Alexander said "no one is denying that."

Asked once more to clarify that this special discretionary fund is indeed "separate" from the Conservative Party of Canada fund, Alexander repeated "no one is denying that."

Considering what Harper's chief of staff has already been caught doing, paying off Mike Duffy to stop a senate investigation into his illegal expense account activity, I think there should be a forensic audit of this fund to determine if it was used to violate Elections laws.

 

[L Gilbert]

All this really indicates is you've drunk the coolaid, I do believe I'll leave you permanently on ignore with people like Darkbeaver.

......... meaning you can't refute anything I posted.
Thanks for the confirmation, dude.
And speaking of koolaid, how many kiloliters of it has been given to you by Just In since he first started squeaking in the media? You must have to go potty a lot.

 

[SLM]

All this really indicates is you've drunk the coolaid, I do believe I'll leave you permanently on ignore with people like Darkbeaver.

LMAO. You treat anyone who doesn't think exactly like you like they must have 'drunk the kool-aid'.

Must be such a terrible burden being the only one who understands anything.

 

[Ron in Regina]

All this really indicates is you've drunk the coolaid, I do believe I'll leave you permanently on ignore with people like Darkbeaver.

Really? If you're going to put someone on "Ignore"...just do it! They'll figure it out
themselves eventually.

The public announcement of such, and naming names, is just childish at best in
a "I'm taking my ball and going home" sort'a way.

 

[L Gilbert]

All this really indicates is you've drunk the coolaid, I do believe I'll leave you permanently on ignore with people like Darkbeaver.

In other words ....

RETREAT!

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Really? If you're going to put someone on "Ignore"...just do it! They'll figure it out
themselves eventually.

The public announcement of such, and naming names, is just childish at best in
a "I'm taking my ball and going home" sort'a way.

From what I've seen there are some experts on childish behaviour here, hence my use of the ignore button.

And don't be surprised if I don't respond to you again either, I think trying to instruct another adult on how to behave is ridiculous.

 

[L Gilbert]

lmao Apparently, (to some) childish behavior is impartially and rationally analyzing stuff, pointing out facts and failures, and expecting rational and balanced discussion in return. Fe ckin funny.

 

[SLM]

From what I've seen there are some experts on childish behaviour here, hence my use of the ignore button.

And don't be surprised if I don't respond to you again either, I think trying to instruct another adult on how to behave is ridiculous.

Actually it's well within his purview to correct people on their behaviour here seeing as how he's one of the ones that has to come in and clean up after all the childish antics.

My suggestion is you may want to heed his advice.