Can Justin Trudeau save the Liberal Party?

JLM

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The way I saw it, PET was returning the finger. If that finger was all you saw of Trudeau, you are
too biased for this topic, which I think, was about Justin Trudeau.


I suppose, but I think he was supposed to set an example and behave a little better than us common riff raff! :lol:
 

gerryh

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I suppose, but I think he was supposed to set an example and behave a little better than us common riff raff! :lol:


Really? How shallow of you. So, you would prefer a politician that doesn't speak his or her mind? You'd rather the bullshyte veneer?
 

JLM

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Really? How shallow of you. So, you would prefer a politician that doesn't speak his or her mind? You'd rather the bullshyte veneer?

Nah, I don't think they should get into a "pissing match" with the electorate. Smarter would be to contact the local M.P. and get him to find out what's bothering the local citizens.
 

#juan

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Barbaric is a rather harsh word to impose on those who would consider honour killing.

When you consider that a good number of Muslims support honour killing or at least don't strongly oppose it since it has been
part of their "culture" for quite a few centuries. Calling all Muslims barbaric is probably not a good idea in terms of doplomacy.
 

gerryh

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When you consider that a good number of Muslims support honour killing or at least don't strongly oppose it since it has been
part of their "culture" for quite a few centuries. Calling all Muslims barbaric is probably not a good idea in terms of doplomacy.


prove the above statement.
 

#juan

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prove the above statement.

I don't have to prove anything gerry. I made a simple, logical, statement. If you don't agree, tell me your side. In any
case we are getting away from the topic.
 

gerryh

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I don't have to prove anything gerry. I made a simple, logical, statement. If you don't agree, tell me your side. In any
case we are getting away from the topic.


No, you made an ignorant, inaccurate statement. I have asked that you prove this statement. I can guarantee you can't prove it. Stats in Canada for these types of murders disprove your allegations.
 

#juan

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No, you made an ignorant, inaccurate statement. I have asked that you prove this statement. I can guarantee you can't prove it. Stats in Canada for these types of murders disprove your allegations.

I said a good number of Muslims support honour killing. Since all of them don't protest, a good number must support this practice.
Calling all Muslims barbaric is probably not a good idea. What else was there?
Now go away and bother someone else.
 

gerryh

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I said a good number of Muslims support honour killing. Since all of them don't protest, a good number must support this practice.
Calling all Muslims barbaric is probably not a good idea. What else was there?
Now go away and bother someone else.


you're right, I should just leave you to your bigotry.
 

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I said a good number of Muslims support honour killing. Since all of them don't protest, a good number must support this practice.
Calling all Muslims barbaric is probably not a good idea. What else was there?
Now go away and bother someone else.

A good number of non-Muslims also support honour killing. And failing to protest is not support.
 

#juan

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A good number of non-Muslims also support honour killing. And failing to protest is not support.

A few years ago a young American was beheaded in front of a large cheering crowd. I would say these people supported that disgusting display.
 

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I have no idea whether Justin will be the savior of the Liberal party or the next PM or is even qualified to do either. What is clear is that the Liberals must have new, charismatic leadership in order to regain some traction federally. I believe that most Canadians feel the old Liberal party leadership was too arrogant, morally corrupt, and ethically challenged. They need a new young leader not tainted with the old scandals, perhaps Justin is the one.

If my local NDP riding association can field a credible candidate in the next election, I'll probably vote NDP; I like Thomas Mulclair and believe he would be a great PM. Unfortunately, my local NDP riding association seems to be good at fielding losers, in which case I may vote Liberal, anything but Conservative.
 

JLM

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Justin has the momentum and Harper and Mulcair are going down

How was I able to guess almost exactly what you were going to say before I saw it? -:)

I have no idea whether Justin will be the savior of the Liberal party or the next PM or is even qualified to do either. What is clear is that the Liberals must have new, charismatic leadership in order to regain some traction federally. I believe that most Canadians feel the old Liberal party leadership was too arrogant, morally corrupt, and ethically challenged. They need a new young leader not tainted with the old scandals, perhaps Justin is the one.

If my local NDP riding association can field a credible candidate in the next election, I'll probably vote NDP; I like Thomas Mulclair and believe he would be a great PM. Unfortunately, my local NDP riding association seems to be good at fielding losers, in which case I may vote Liberal, anything but Conservative.

High time to get away from the old Party mentality and vote for a candidate who is honest, dedicated and competent.............oh sh*t that wouldn't work either! -:)
 

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Funny to hear people complain that Justin Trudeau is not, apparently, a man of substance. Ignatieff was a man of substance. Bob Rae is a Rhodes scholar. Stephane Dion was a seasoned Cabinet Minister and university professor. All swept aside quite handily by the Conservatives. I can understand why the Conservatives would prefer the Liberals had another "man of substance."

I imagine that Trudeau will bring a lot of the Obama style to his campaign--that is, appeal to youth, internet-savvy and a positive message. That could present a challenge to the Conservatives. An attack campaign against a positive opponent can backfire, as McCain and Palin learned. As did Kim Campbell. If things go according to plan for Trudeau, attacks against Harper and the Conservatives won't be necessary. As Conservatives resort more and more to fear and loathing, they'll lose everyone's votes, except for grumpy old white guys in suburbia.
 
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gerryh

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Funny to hear people complain that Justin Trudeau is not, apparently, a man of substance. Ignatieff was a man of substance. Bob Rae is a Rhodes scholar. Stephane Dion was a seasoned Cabinet Minister and university professor. All swept aside quite handily by the Conservatives. I can understand why the Conservatives would prefer the Liberals had another "man of substance."

I imagine that Trudeau will bring a lot of the Obama style to his campaign--that is, appeal to youth, internet-savvy and a positive message. That could present a challenge to the Conservatives. An attack campaign against a positive opponent can backfire, as McCain and Palin learned. As did Kim Campbell. If things go according to plan for Trudeau, attacks against Harper and the Conservatives won't be necessary. As Conservatives resort more and more to fear and loathing, they'll lose everyone's votes, except for grumpy old white guys in suburbia.


Very well put.
 

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Funny to hear people complain that Justin Trudeau is not, apparently, a man of substance. Ignatieff was a man of substance. Bob Rae is a Rhodes scholar. Stephane Dion was a seasoned Cabinet Minister and university professor. All swept aside quite handily by the Conservatives. I can understand why the Conservatives would prefer the Liberals had another "man of substance."

I imagine that Trudeau will bring a lot of the Obama style to his campaign--that is, appeal to youth, internet-savvy and a positive message. That could present a challenge to the Conservatives. An attack campaign against a positive opponent can backfire, as McCain and Palin learned. As did Kim Campbell. If things go according to plan for Trudeau, attacks against Harper and the Conservatives won't be necessary. As Conservatives resort more and more to fear and loathing, they'll lose everyone's votes, except for grumpy old white guys in suburbia.

And politics isn`t all or even mostly about substance, it`s about being able to bounce back. Trudeau in the end may have the resiliency to take whatever the mud slingers on the right throw at him and hang on for a win.

There`s more than enough ammunition going the other way now too, it`s going to be a true dog fight in the next election.

The sense I get is people are tired of the negative way the conservatives approach everything, the same way as with the Republicans in the US under Bush and Cheney, we know what they`re opposed to because they pound it into us constantly. It will be nice to have a government that has a positive vision for Canada.
 

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Haha the little boy sounds like her practiced for a school speech !!

Haha My Fellow Canadians...... Haha.. wipe behind your ears boy and lean to lower your voice so you can speak like a man not like an eastern kid!!
 

JLM

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Haha the little boy sounds like her practiced for a school speech !!

Haha My Fellow Canadians...... Haha.. wipe behind your ears boy and lean to lower your voice so you can speak like a man not like an eastern kid!!

Ha ha ha Durry, if I had to pick a man from between you and Justin, I might be reaching to the bottom of the barrel, but methinks it would be him over you. -:) Ha ha ha!